Simmons, iirc.

I'd be pissed if we skipped those guys for him.

Everyone gets a good player except KC

I would also be pissed if they skipped Nolen and Burden and Conerly and Azareyah Thomas and Grant to take Simmons.

That’s ultimately why I’m so anti Simmons.

With that injury concern and what’s likely to be available, no way would I consider him BPA.

I just don’t see the board going to such shit that he’s the obvious pick.

A healthy Simmons is better than any player that will possibly be available other than Nolen, who will also only be there for reasons other than football.

Some of you are just way too extreme with the anti-Simmons stuff. And I'm just not seeing it outside of CP. I'm starting to think we have some groupthink going on here.

It's one thing to be concerned about the injury and not wanting to take the risk. It's another to pretend he isn't a top 15 talent when healthy that has no business being available at 31 otherwise.

I'm with you on Nolen, possibly Burden too.

But Conerly, Thomas, and Grant aren't head and shoulders above Simmons.

For me, they are, when they aren’t staring down an 80 percent likelihood they’re never the same physically.

The issue isn't talent. The issue is that he actually did get injured. He has a very severe injury when it comes to football. Sorry if talent gets trumped by the reality of the injury for many of us but it absolutely is an issue. The issue as a whole in the national media is that most of them don't know he had a patella tendon tear; you still have them regurgitating "ACL injury." I screamed from the mountain tops that it would be idiotic of teams to take a player in the 1st round, or even the 2nd, coming off an Achilles. That turned out to be spot on because none of them have produced anywhere near average. Taking Simmons coming off this injury is an enormous risk. It's not about what he was, it's about what he might be now. This injury healing has absolutely no bearing on that.

He absolutely was a top 15 talent.

The issue is that, even if he is what is “healthy” for him now, the athleticism and explosion off that leg might not be the same as it was before the injury.

Most of the guy who suffer this injury lose some explosiveness coming back from it. Even when healthy and cleared to play.

Healthy Simmons now just might not ever be what healthy Simmons was before.

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Yes.

Commonly discussed early prospects here...

DE Mykel Williams #21
DE J.T. Tuimoloau #42
DE Nic Scourton #59
DT Derrick Harmon #16
DT Kenneth Grant #25
DT Walter Nolen #31
DT Tyleik Williams #40
LB Carson Schwesinger #38
CB Trey Amos #39
LT Josh Simmons #20
LT Josh Conerly #23
LT Kelvin Banks #26
WR Luther Burden III #27
WR Emeka Egbuka #28
TE Mason Taylor #33
TE Elijah Arroyo #41
RB TreVeyon Henderson #46

With that level or risk, him getting back to 'what he was before' has to mean a top 5 talent, IMO. That's where the risk is worth the reward.

Simmons is, IMO, a guy who wouldn't have clearly set himself apart from the Campbell or Membou in an OT draft that is pretty dang weak at the top. Even healthy, I'm not sure he's the top OT in the class.

"What he was" has to be INCREDIBLY valuable in order for me to be willing to look past the injury and be willing to take the risk. I just don't think he was THAT good. Top 15 -- sure.

But top 5? Nah. The best OT in the class? Probably not. And when you're a good but not elite prospect to begin with, you just don't have that far you can drop off to begin with. If he was an elite prospect at comes back at 90% of what he was, that's probably still an NFL starter. If he was a good prospect and comes back at 90%, it almost certainly isn't.

Then you have some questions as to Ohio State offensive linemen -- notably the fact that Paris Johnson, who was definitely a better pure prospect than Simmons, hasn't been what anyone hoped. Taylor Decker was quite some time ago and really that's the only successful OL to have come from Ohio State of late, is it not? Am I missing anyone?

There are just too many flags there. Maybe the board gets massacred and I'd take him anyway, but it seems really really unlikely.

Hadn't really considered the track record of Ohio State linemen of late.

Decker is a Michigan product, though.

Paris Johnson has been quite good. You're thinking of Petit-Friere who has sucked ass. Dawand Jones probably will too, at least if they have any considerations of putting him at LT instead of RT.

Decker was OSU duncan.

Nice. I don't know why I thought he was a Michigan kid.