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FAX 03-09-2020 07:08 PM

A little help here ...

If somebody can explain the details associated with the franchise tag vs. the transition tag (in short, easy to comprehend words), I would be most grateful.

FAX

kcclone 03-09-2020 07:23 PM

Give me a 1st and a 2nd and sign me up for trading him. Congrats to Jones if he can get $20m+.

He’s earned it and has his ring. But we don’t need two DL making $20+.

We have too many areas we need to address this year and beyond.

Coogs 03-09-2020 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 14832129)
A little help here ...

If somebody can explain the details associated with the franchise tag vs. the transition tag (in short, easy to comprehend words), I would be most grateful.

FAX


Try this FAX.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...303-story.html

Only difference here is that instead of being automatically awarded 2 first round picks for the non-exclusive franchise tag, the compensation between teams is usually negotiated into the deal. For example, last year the Chiefs agreed to one 2nd round pick for Dee Ford instead of two 1st round picks.

BossChief 03-09-2020 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 14831352)
Who?

Strahan

Reggie White, Michael Strahan and Chris Jones have similar frames and IMO ability.

Coogs 03-09-2020 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 14832167)
Strahan

Reggie White, Michael Strahan and Chris Jones have similar frames and IMO ability.

Time will tell. The first one is one of the all-time great NFL players. Strahan was pretty good, but is not in the same conversation as White.

Jones is very good, but you could make a case that he is not even the best defender on the Chiefs. He very well could be, but Mathieu ain't bad either. Nor is Clark.

RealSNR 03-09-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 14831944)
Chris Jones is not the best defensive player in the league. He's pretty one dimensional. He is just lucky that his one dimension is really important.

He's not even the best defender on the Chiefs. He might be 3rd.

Uhh... sure? If the only dimensions are "interior pass rushing" and "not letting your dick fall out of your shorts when you sprint" then yeah, I guess Chris Jones is pretty one-dimensional.

"Not even the best defender on the Chiefs." What does this even ****ing mean? Also, who ****ing cares? That's like saying "Tyreek Hill isn't even the best offensive player on the Chiefs. He might be 3rd." Except what you said was way dumber, because you can make a legit argument for Jones being the best player on the Chiefs defense, whereas everybody and their blind deaf mothers would say Mahomes is the best player on the Chiefs offense.

Coogs 03-09-2020 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14832193)
Uhh... sure? If the only dimensions are "interior pass rushing" and "not letting your dick fall out of your shorts when you sprint" then yeah, I guess Chris Jones is pretty one-dimensional.

[b]"Not even the best defender on the Chiefs." What does this even ****ing mean? Also, who ****ing cares? That's like saying "Tyreek Hill isn't even the best offensive player on the Chiefs. He might be 3rd."

Thought it was pretty straight forward.

You can make a case his is the best. You can make a case Mathieu is. You can make a case for Clark too. When he could be 3rd best, you don't make him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Mahomes on the other hand. Pay the man.

mcaj22 03-09-2020 09:24 PM

So what if Clark or Mathieu is a coin flip on who is better than Jones. You know who is not better? Anthony Hitchens, Daniel Sorenson, Derrick Nnadi, Alex Okafor, Breeland Speaks. The list goes on. You know those picks youd get for trading Chris Jones...they could be another Chris Jones or they could very well be another Breeland Speaks. Why not just pay the (very good) devil you know vs the devil you dont.

staylor26 03-09-2020 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14832361)
So what if Clark or Mathieu is a coin flip on who is better than Jones. You know who is not better? Anthony Hitchens, Daniel Sorenson, Derrick Nnadi, Alex Okafor, Breeland Speaks. The list goes on. You know those picks youd get for trading Chris Jones...they could be another Chris Jones or they could very well be another Breeland Speaks. Why not just pay the (very good) devil you know vs the devil you dont.

I noticed I haven’t seen you post much since we won the SB and just looking at your recent post history you literally haven’t posted once about winning it.

Your last post before you started posting again (before the SB) was you bitching about Reid when the Chiefs were down 24-0.

Then you disappeared, came back, and still come off like a miserable pillowbitergot.

What the **** is your problem dude? The Chiefs win a SB, you don’t even acknowledge it on here and just go back to being a miserable ****?

Do you have any joy in your life whatsoever?

* this isn’t necessarily a response to the post I quoted

tk13 03-09-2020 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 14831387)
Fair point. Aaron Rodgers also only won one SB because they never surrounded him with weapons.

The thing that always goes unnoticed is the year Rodgers won, they had an elite defense. 2nd in points allowed, 5th in yards.

They haven't had a defense rank near the top 5 in either of those categories since. That was 10 years ago.

staylor26 03-09-2020 09:40 PM

Also, anybody who put Nnadi in the same category as draft busts or overpaid JAG’s is a ****ing moron point blank period.

mcaj22 is easily one of the worst posters on this board and a miserable ****.

ForeverIowan 03-09-2020 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 14832361)
So what if Clark or Mathieu is a coin flip on who is better than Jones. You know who is not better? Anthony Hitchens, Daniel Sorenson, Derrick Nnadi, Alex Okafor, Breeland Speaks. The list goes on. You know those picks youd get for trading Chris Jones...they could be another Chris Jones or they could very well be another Breeland Speaks. Why not just pay the (very good) devil you know vs the devil you dont.

You'd know what you're buying though. With the cap savings you could sign proven veterans in free agency to shorter deals say a Chris Harris Jr. and AJ Green.

If you snag a 1st and a 2nd/3rd for Jones you then have ridiculous draft capital to fill out the rest of your needs (DT, CB, LB, RB, IOL). Veach with 5 picks in the top 100 in this draft...damn!

RealSNR 03-09-2020 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 14832202)
Thought it was pretty straight forward.

You can make a case his is the best. You can make a case Mathieu is. You can make a case for Clark too. When he could be 3rd best, you don't make him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Mahomes on the other hand. Pay the man.

Look, I'm gonna get lambasted for being that Frank Clark hating guy again, but if people actually believe Frank Clark is a more valuable player than Chris Jones, they're butt****ing morons.

Also, I think tales of Chris Jones and his lack of discipline in run defense are exaggerated. He's not the best guy at it, but he's becoming a much more balanced player. JakeF calling him "one-dimensional" in that regard is pretty freaking stupid.

staylor26 03-09-2020 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 14832452)
Look, I'm gonna get lambasted for being that Frank Clark hating guy again, but if people actually believe Frank Clark is a more valuable player than Chris Jones, they're butt****ing morons.

Also, I think tales of Chris Jones and his lack of discipline in run defense are exaggerated. He's not the best guy at it, but he's becoming a much more balanced player. JakeF calling him "one-dimensional" in that regard is pretty freaking stupid.

And I’m smart and reasonable enough to know that this isn’t an insult to Clark.

Chris Jones is really really ****ing good and Chiefs fans STILL don’t seem to get it. It’s embarrassing.

BossChief 03-09-2020 11:17 PM

Chris is just entering his prime and has only had 1 year with premier coaching. He’s also surrounded with talent along that DL. There are many reasons to believe he will continue to ascend in this situation and he’s already an all pro quality player at a position of huge importance when talents like him are nearly as rare as elite QBs.

Chris Jones effects EVERY SINGLE PASS PLAY.

Whether it be him getting his long arms up to block passing lanes...

Flushing QBs out of the pocket.

Causing fumbles

Forcing rushed throws

Forcing a double team

Stalemating a run

Dude is a ****ing unicorn.


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