He's young and has an injury he is dealing with. It's probably best to let him heal. You can't come to any conclusions in the 2nd preseason game. It will be mid season or late before you know what you got. And maybe even next year. It can 2 years for a young Tackle to adjust to the NFL. He has enormous talent, size and strength. Also athleticism. I think he will be fine.

Not even getting into it with you, Clay. I know where your priorities lay.

There are tons of people on this board that love the Eric Fisher pick. They love the Alex Smith trade. There are plenty of people that like one of those moves, but not the other. And there are a ton of people that hate both of those moves.

There's a steady distribution there.

People have unreasonable expectations because our HC and GM got "their guys". They decided that for our future and that in order to win right now, Fisher and Alex Smith were the best available options. Time will tell, but they better be right because we just struggled through four years of insufferable pricks that thought they got "their guys".

And I sure as **** want to see the best available NFL prospect look like it out of the gate. That's it.

Not claiming you do this, but its just as easy to predict a winning record year after year, and never get called out for it. The same people, say the same thing, every single year. 9-7. 10-6. X,Y and Z are sure wins, we have an easy schedule, and so on.

But it's not just one game. Reports were that he had not looked great during training camp and even the Saints game last week included Fisher getting bull rushed.

The shocking thing is this has not even been against good competition.

Exactly.

And the people that are asking for some patience with Fisher are the same folks that absolutely crucify young players on other teams.

If the 1st overall pick was playing like this for a rival, holy shit, that's all you'd hear about around here.

I guess I have failed to see that. I get wanting the best out of
The gate, but it was even told to us that it was potential that made the selection not refinement.

Sure, and I don't predict anything really - I have no clue what to expect out of this franchise anymore.

I think naysaying is a good way to draw attention to yourself or to set up some kind of heads I win/tails you lose

A couple more years of 1st and 2nd round offensive linemen will have this OLine clicking on all cylinders.

Traded for another QB that needs a century to make good decisions.

He comes from a program where the competition level is not the highest. It will take him a while to adjust. Maybe the entire year. I still think he can make it and turn out real good. He has a good coaching staff and they will teach him. He's in a adjustment time period. The jump in competition level is real big.

Adjustment period? He's the number 1 pick for Christ's sake and he has shown absolutely 0 potential.

He is switching positions as a rookie in a shortened training camp, we are only 2 weeks into the preseason, and is apparently playing hurt. And we all knew that after having played at Central Michigan, there would be a learning curve.

I agree that the guy has to be nothing short of pro bowler, and he still won't live up to being 1.1. I get all that stuff. I'm not crazy about taking a RT at 1.1 either. I just can't stand the agendas that people are using a game this early in the preseason to drive an "I told you so" agenda. The kid deserves a reasonable amount of time to prove what he can do. The idea that he HAS to be a great player from the get-go... who really cares if he is? We're not winning the Super Bowl this year.

WARNING logical poster here.

So why did we take him number 1?

I am fine with Fisher out of the players who were available at the top of the draft.

But we do have to understand he didn't play against top collegiate competition before, let alone NFL level competition. He's also not playing his natural position. I kind of feel like he should be playing LT now because he will be our LT of the future, Branden Albert's ego be damned.

But you also are afraid of the "shades of Trezelle Jenkins" feeling, where Whitlock wrote that memorable column about how he hated the pick, and Gunther gave him this big spiel, showing him game film and saying how Tree's problems were all technique and they could coach him up.

Who knows what'll happen... there's probably no use slicing each other up about it.

I guess I don't understand why goatse feels the need to gloat when someone on our team goes out there and fails. Why take pleasure in that?