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beach tribe 09-17-2011 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 7913026)
"But Haley felt the need to strip Weis of his playcalling duties at halftime of last season’s Wild-Card disaster, resulting in one of the worst-quarterbacked playoff games we’ve ever seen from a Chiefs passer. "

- Is there any proof of this??

Why shouldn't he??

Weis had already quit on this team since before the Oakland game, and the way the game plans looked for both games, if I were haley, I would question Weis, and strip his ass of play-calling duties too.
But ONLY because Weis felt he had to come out and tell everyone he was lameduck, and **** up team chemistry.

chiefzilla1501 09-17-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 7914781)
Why shouldn't he??

Weis had already quit on this team since before the Oakland game, and the way the game plans looked for both games, if I were haley, I would question Weis, and strip his ass of play-calling duties too.
But ONLY because Weis felt he had to come out and tell everyone he was lameduck, and **** up team chemistry.

You're making a lot of assumptions here about things we don't know.

beach tribe 09-17-2011 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 7914535)
There's a whole hell of a lot of assuming that Herm could have even gotten the most out of Jamaal, Bowe, DJ, and Hali.

Bowe was an out of shape, lax receiver before Haley and co. arrived. DJ was working on his 3rd linebacker spot in 4 years before they arrived and Hali was on his way to being a rotational lineman. If Herm was here, we seriously still might be looking at Larry Johnson on this roster.

If I'm given a 66 corvette to drive, and I fix it up and make it look good, the guy who I bought the car off of shouldn't get the credit for the way it looks just because he had it before me.

Bowe, and DJ, two of our best players, would have NEVER reached their potential under that regime. Hali would still be getting 8 sacks in the 4-3, and we would still SUCK BAWLS.

beach tribe 09-17-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7914785)
You're making a lot of assumptions here about things we don't know.

Please tell me what these multiple assumptions are.

chiefzilla1501 09-17-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 7914788)
Please tell me what these multiple assumptions are.

You're claiming that Weis was stripped of playcalling duties based on a tip provided by a bunch of guys eating pizza. You're suggesting that Weis leaving ****ed with team chemistry. And you're leaving out the fact that if Weis was stripped of playcalling duties, Haley's gameplan looked eerily similar to Weis'.

We don't know much of anything. More than anything, you're painting the tone that Weis was the bad guy. I think we can assume that Weis/Haley didn't get along, but we have no idea who pissed off who.

beach tribe 09-17-2011 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7914791)
You're claiming that Weis was stripped of playcalling duties based on a tip provided by a bunch of guys eating pizza. You're suggesting that Weis leaving ****ed with team chemistry. And you're leaving out the fact that if Weis was stripped of playcalling duties, Haley's gameplan looked eerily similar to Weis'.

We don't know much of anything. More than anything, you're painting the tone that Weis was the bad guy. I think we can assume that Weis/Haley didn't get along, but we have no idea who pissed off who.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ies-from-weis/

chiefzilla1501 09-17-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 7914792)

And who provided the tip to Fescoe? And since when did Whitlock become a credible source for what defines Todd Haley?

beach tribe 09-17-2011 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 7914802)
And who provided the tip to Fescoe? And since when did Whitlock become a credible source for what defines Todd Haley?

Yeah, you're right. I've never given those ****ers any credibility before. I don't know why I was trying to start now.

chiefzilla1501 09-17-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 7914805)
Yeah, you're right. I've never given those ****ers any credibility before. I don't know why I was trying to start now.

Problem was it was a tip from two guys at a pizza shop who claimed to know Weis. That's a little shady. And again, PFT laughably uses a Whitlock quote to validate that this game was all Haley. Guess what... Whitlock had that comment ready to go no matter what the circumstance, because it gave him an extra chance to jab at Haley or Pioli.

Think most of us can safely assume that the two didn't get along. Then again, a small part of us can't rule out that maybe Weis left for family reasons. And if they didn't get along, nobody really knows whose fault that was. If I had to guess, I'd guess it was a little of both.

Chiefnj2 09-17-2011 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 7914781)
Why shouldn't he??

Weis had already quit on this team since before the Oakland game, and the way the game plans looked for both games, if I were haley, I would question Weis, and strip his ass of play-calling duties too.
But ONLY because Weis felt he had to come out and tell everyone he was lameduck, and **** up team chemistry.

Why shouldn't he?? Maybe because his own playcalling sucked ass in 2009 and Weis' was much better.

I don't think he took it away in any event. The rumor comes from someone in a pizza shop who called in to a radio hack. I don't recall anyone watching the game and saying "oh look, Haley has the play card in front of him, he's calling the plays in the 2nd half."

Chiefnj2 09-17-2011 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 7914792)

And we have this ..http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-haley-report/

Hootie 09-17-2011 09:37 AM

too many characters...and I don't think talking about Peterson shitting himself is an appropriate premise to an article...makes the audience uncomfortable

WhiteWhale 09-17-2011 09:38 AM

Herm lost 12 consecutive games and lost 21 of his final 23 games coaching the chiefs.

Are we really comparing that to Haley? Maybe if we were 1-15 instead of 0-1.

MahiMike 09-17-2011 09:58 AM

Sweet.

FloridaMan88 09-17-2011 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier (Post 7914547)
So if Herm/Carl, or "Hitler" caused "mass destruction", you allow for no time to clean up "Europe" even though two years into the "reconstruction" the "allied forces" managed to get "France" back on it's feet again? Even though that project was helped by an "easy schedule".

In today's NFL with parity, free agency, etc. you don't need 3 years to clean-up... the clean-up should be completed and the Chiefs should be building off of last year.

Instead it looks like last year's success was just a product of one of the weakest schedules in recent NFL history.

Judging by what has transpired the early part of this season, it appears the Chiefs are much closer to the 2009 team than last year's team... which means that virtually no progress has been made under Haley/Pioli.

Herm/Carl at least had an excuse for why things tanked after their playoff season... they took the oldest team in the league and started a massive youth movement. Haley/Pioli have a young team that should be on the upswing, yet that doesn't appear to case.

If you can provide any evidence, based on the Buffalo fiasco that the Chiefs are still on the upswing and will build on last year's playoff performance, I'd be very interested to see it.


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