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Just Passin' By 08-30-2009 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6014860)
You're a ****ing moron. You said teams can't improve a position in a year and I jsut gave you an example of how the Dolphins upgraded the o-line in a season. It has nothing to do with Chad Pennington.
Actually, that's not what I said. You should either learn how to read or just shut the **** up.

Titty Meat 08-30-2009 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6014863)
Actually, that's not what I said. You should either learn how to read or just shut the **** up.
blah blah blah blah blah or we could just put in thigpen cuz he almost won games!!1!

SPchief 08-30-2009 02:05 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6014860)
You're a ****ing moron. You said teams can't improve a position in a year and I jsut gave you an example of how the Dolphins upgraded the o-line in a season. It has nothing to do with Chad Pennington.
I believe he said you can't fix everything in one offseason

SPchief 08-30-2009 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6014868)
blah blah blah blah blah or we could just put in thigpen cuz he almost won games!!1!
What does that have to do with anything? And I absolutley loathe Thigpen

Mecca 08-30-2009 02:40 AM
My line is still the same one I said right after the draft, you don't make a move to get your QB that you are saying this is our guy, then give him nothing to work with.

You are setting him up to fail.

B_Ambuehl 08-30-2009 02:55 AM
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What good FA OL were available this past FA period? Seriously. I don't remember.
Stacy Andrews, Matt Birk, Jake Grove, Orlando Pace, John Runyan

Maybe some are a bit long in the tooth but so are Zach Thomas, Engram, Vrabel, etc.

I think Clark Hunt really has a lot more responsibility in all this then people think. Ever since he took over things have gone to hell in a handbasket and inconsistencies in the overall theme of whats going on with personnel and direction of the club (younger? older?)have become the order of the day.

Mecca 08-30-2009 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6014910)
Stacy Andrews, Matt Birk, Jake Grove, Orlando Pace, John Runyan

Maybe some are a bit long in the tooth but so are Zach Thomas, Engram, Vrabel, etc.

I think Clark Hunt really has a lot more responsibility in all this then people think. Ever since he took over things have gone to hell in a handbasket and inconsistencies in the overall theme of whats going on with personnel and direction of the club (younger? older?)have become the order of the day.
Jason Brown was out there too, he would have signed if given the money seeing as he signed with the Rams.

Pioli Zombie 08-30-2009 06:09 AM
We don't need Eugene Monroe, Albert is too expensive to play at another position. Remember that cheapskates?
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TFG 08-30-2009 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl (Post 6014910)
Stacy Andrews, Matt Birk, Jake Grove, Orlando Pace, John Runyan

Maybe some are a bit long in the tooth but so are Zach Thomas, Engram, Vrabel, etc.

I think Clark Hunt really has a lot more responsibility in all this then people think. Ever since he took over things have gone to hell in a handbasket and inconsistencies in the overall theme of whats going on with personnel and direction of the club (younger? older?)have become the order of the day.


The FA OL class was garbage as usual. You have to score OLs from the Draft, even the "undrafted" portion of the Draft.

I really cannot believe that Clark Hunt is the one who wanted to trade for Cassel, to switch to a 3-4, and to ignore OL until Round 5. That was Pioli, who didn't come cheap himself.


Quality OLs in this Draft that Pioli failed to score:

Round
1. Monroe = DUH

5. Jamon Meredith

undrafted
Harris - tryout players do not get credited to the GM, who would have offered them an actual contract if said GM had any clue they were good at all
Edwin Williams
CJ Davis - likely a cut by Carolina because he has missed about four weeks with an ankle sprain


The "setting him up to fail" comment above is accurate.

beach tribe 08-30-2009 07:36 AM
I seem to remember Trent Green going through the same thing.

IF Cassel is the guy that Pioli wanted, he had to get him right now, or else he would be in Denver, and we wouldn't be witnessing all the great stuff going on over there. There really wasn't a whole lot that could be done about the line, all though I do believe that they should have tried harder. I believe that next off-season it will be priority 1.

FloridaMan88 08-30-2009 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6015007)
I seem to remember Trent Green going through the same thing.
That is true, to an extent. The Chiefs made the trade for Trent Green and then essentially built up the offense around him the following offseason, (save for Priest Holmes who was acquired the same offseason that the trade for Trent took place).

The difference is the Chiefs were in a far better position be more aggressive in upgrading the talent around Cassel this offseason than they were during the 2001 offseason when Trent Geen was acquired (remember the Chiefs didn't have a first or second round pick in the 2001 draft and were in salary cap hell that offseason).

SAUTO 08-30-2009 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6014608)
One of the best things Bill Simmons ever said was that every team needs a VP of common sense. Putting the QB debate aside, Cassel was their guy, they were obviously committed to him. At the same time, this regime puts a lot of emphasis on the D-Line, but they had to look at that O-Line and realize that it could only protect and "run block" from the pistol last year...which basically means it couldn't do either.

Looking back, if the Chiefs were so dead set on Cassel, and they really wanted to upgrade the D-Line, why not take this approach:

Raji/Jackson
Cassel
Magee
Luigs
Meredith

And they still had 3 picks to spend on their pet projects in the late rounds.

Sometimes, I think sports franchises get so preoccupied with deking other franchises that they do the most illogical thing rather than just making sensible moves.
good to see you back

milkman 08-30-2009 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6014608)
One of the best things Bill Simmons ever said was that every team needs a VP of common sense. Putting the QB debate aside, Cassel was their guy, they were obviously committed to him. At the same time, this regime puts a lot of emphasis on the D-Line, but they had to look at that O-Line and realize that it could only protect and "run block" from the pistol last year...which basically means it couldn't do either.

Looking back, if the Chiefs were so dead set on Cassel, and they really wanted to upgrade the D-Line, why not take this approach:

Raji/Jackson
Cassel
Magee
Luigs
Meredith

And they still had 3 picks to spend on their pet projects in the late rounds.

Sometimes, I think sports franchises get so preoccupied with deking other franchises that they do the most illogical thing rather than just making sensible moves.
This.

This team would be better on the O-Line if the Chiefs had done this.

The draft was a major head scratcher.

JuicesFlowing 08-30-2009 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6015007)
I seem to remember Trent Green going through the same thing.

IF Cassel is the guy that Pioli wanted, he had to get him right now, or else he would be in Denver, and we wouldn't be witnessing all the great stuff going on over there. There really wasn't a whole lot that could be done about the line, all though I do believe that they should have tried harder. I believe that next off-season it will be priority 1.
I agree with this. We needed a QB, and that's all there is to it. Would we rather have a "better" O-line with Thigpen or some stop-gap like Neckbeard? Pioli got his QB. It takes time to upgrade an entire team. Pioli chose the QB he wanted first, and I'm fine with that. I keep forgetting that all of these Planeteers are better GM's than Pioli.

DaneMcCloud 08-30-2009 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6015007)
I seem to remember Trent Green going through the same thing.
Not because of the offensive personnel or the offensive line.

Tait, Waters, Weigman, Shields & Riley are and were far superior to any lineup that could be pieced together on the current roster.

The Chiefs also had Derrick Alexander, Tony Gonzalez and Priest Holmes and still only managed to win 6 games, yet there are people here that think the 2009 Chiefs will meet or exceed that win total.

:shake:


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