I see. I should GET OVER IT. We as fans don't deserve any better than going from the playoffs to the worst team in the NFL in 3 years. This rebuilding effort is going SO WELL. The coaching is amazing, young players are maturing before our very eyes. the Chiefs are playing exciting football and growing by leaps and bounds. This roster is just loaded with potential.

But three years aren't nearly enough for a coach to make an improvement in a team. It's more of a five year plan. Carl and Herm have a five year plan to get us to the super bowl, where have I heard that before.

Does it hurt to have Carl's hand up your arse moving your mouth like a muppet?

I credit him for turning the offense into a rejected clip from the Benny Hill show...

Donnie should have been a Cowboy, cause he rides 'em like he's at the rodeo.

Oh I give him plenty of credit, plenty. He single handedly, has turned this team in to the laughing stock it hasn't been for over two decades.

Sorry, I have been down this road before and recognize it for the stinking pile of shit that it is.

I am excited about the young talent on this team, if Herm and his flunkies don't destroy it before a real NFL HC gets here.

Exactly, he is actually a better player now, than during his previous stint with the Chiefs IMO.

You did finally get to watch Sunday's game, didn't you?

If you seriously want to blame someone for becoming the worst team in the NFL, DICK VERMEIL is the one to blame. He left Herm with practically NOTHING. Then Carl decided to try and hang on to Dick's creaky veterans for two more years before Herm could FINALLY start doing it his way.

Herm Edwards is blameless for the current state of the Chiefs. Only he can save us, however. So get behind him.

I'm going to blame Lamar Hunt for not firing Carl years ago.

Herman ****ing Edwards couldn't save you from drowning in your own piss.

You are a joke now... Get your lips off Gretz and Carl dude...

It wasn't Gansz' fault the team sucked. he had nothing to do with it. Gansz was an awesome coach just like Herm Gansz is. I mean Herm Edwards.

Sounds like Herm is the one "getting behind" you

I'm not getting behind this culture of failure. I want it changed. It'll be a cold day in hell before I become a Carl shill like you sir.

This team will not win a playoff game before Herm Edwards leaves KC.

Boy, if that is true.. put me firmly on the "Fire Herm NOW!!!" bandwagon. :D

No kidding, kind of like catching two fish on the same cast. Bonus!

Jumping back in here, I'm not surprised to see a couple of posters have taken up Pet/Edw/Gretz' defense. I want to respond to a couple of points that have come and gone with little notice.

This is bullshit - but I won't say "and you know it" because it's possible the truth hasn't sunk in. In the bolded parts you speak AS IF THE FANS ALL WERE OF ONE MIND and they simply WERE NOT. Most of the posters on this board, callers to KC sports talk, commenters on the KC Star sports pages, etc., NEVER BOUGHT IN to Clark Hunt's decision to retain Peterson and Edwards, and they certainly never forfeited their right to complain about GETTING FED THE SAME OLD CRAP from this organization. At most, much of the fan base showed resigned acceptance, and many never even went that far. The drumbeats for firing Peterson and Edwards - ESPECIALLY Peterson - never stopped.

Even if you accept this argument - and I don't - there is still absolutely NO reason not to dump Peterson now. Bringing in a new GM early would actually be beneficial. He could get first hand experience with the organization including players and coaches in real time and get started on his remodelling without any rush.


I'm really not sure how that helps your case that Edwards is a good coach. By your own account, Edwards took a team with playoff type talent and coached them to a 4-12 record. I'm a little confused.


Let's agree for the moment that all the offensive players Vermeil had got old. Let's not even talk about the offense at all. Let's talk about the defense. When Edwards came in, he inherited a bad but improving defense - and he continued it's improvement through his first two years. But this is year three and it's apparent early on that the D - Herm Edwards' D - has taken a step backward. Or are you going to blame that on all the great Vermeil veterans on the Defense getting old?