Wait, the Utah-to-the-Pac-10 movement isn't being driven by academics?

Actually, if they stay at 10 teams they will each make 17m with Texas earning 25m. Plus their own Longhorn Network. Which could earn them substantially more.

A "Longhorn Network" would be a boon for recruiting for Texas to insure that they get all of the best players from the state.

We need a kick ass Big 12 network... that shows kick ass shit from all of the remaining teams. **** it.

It can't be that expensive to run a network these days.

You know, this whole ordeal has made me hate MU and KSU a little less. And Nebraskans a little more... and Texas a little less. Still don't give a **** about Colorado.

You know what?

Who gives a crap?

Martin Riggs is losing to Snake ****ing Plissken in the damn Herolympics, get over there and vote Riggs.

Read the thread first and you'll know why a vote for Plissken is like a vote against America.

Can't have both... and Texas is running the show. Same as it ever was...

When the games start, you'll hate us as much as ever. After all, it's what we do...

What do you mean "can't have both"? You really think we didn't give up the ghost for a Texas Network, too?

Dude, we're a three-input girlfriend for the Longhorns as of tomorrow, or whenever the ink dries.

I hate you guys less than Nebraska, but only because I hate Nebraska more than I thought possible.

I hate KU as much as I ever have, which is to say only slighly less than Al Qaeda (who I actually prefer over Tom Osborne and the Cornholers).

Oh, I agree. By both, I mean "a kick ass Big 12 network", and Texas having their own. We all know which of those will happen.

Keep the name Big 12. **** Nebraska and Colorado I didn't care much for them anyway.

What could the "Big Ten" TM do if the Big XII renamed themselves to the Big X. That'd be funny.

Rumored by Chip Brown are Air Force and BYU. I've read this page and not the one before it, so if that's a repost, I apologize.
Some "insider" on JayhawkSlant says Arizona and Arizona State might defect, since they are already unhappy in the Pac 10. But that makes next to zero sense, because it would dilute the money coming in to the current schools (and not add enough simply by adding the state to make up for it), and because it would bring back a conference championship game, which Mothership Overlord UT and its ****-buddy OU both hated and wanted rid of. "Insiders" on Rivals, if they aren't the actual publisher, are little more than lonely men making shit up and pretending to protect confidentiality. If any of you are on PowerMizzou, look no further than V-P.

so a decision coming within 15 hours?

So will the Mizzou Sports Network become more powerful under this new conference alignment?

Just now reading the collective beatdown that Billay got. Jesus. If that exchange had happened last week then the Big 10 would not have deemed Nebraska to be academically sufficient for their conference.

Is Mizzou still in the mix to stay, or what? Been out of town.

Yeah, UT gets to play conference savior for now and it looks like we're all gonna be one big happy family for a while.

10 teams in the Big 12.

We know in basketball it definitely did & I think playing each other every year in football will make it better too...hate losing Nebraska because they'd been around since the beginning with MU & KU but they chose to abandon ship.

Ouch!

I sort of agree with him..

Why did Texas want Iowa State & Kansas State?

Wait, when did T. Boone "transform" OSU athletics? Does the writer mean that Pickens helped finance new buildings? Because other than this, OSU is still a sack.

And they're competing with Iowa State, sorry Rust, for "most prestigious" university in the conference.

Pac-10 really got screwed in this deal...Colorado & Utah? ROFL

ROFL ROFL ROFL

Iowa State is probably a better academic school.

If only he was rich enough not to have to suck Longhorn ass right along with the rest of us.

Maybe so.

Oklahoma isn't great, and I sure as **** wouldn't be doing any bragging about OSU.

If the kids don't walk first...... time will tell. USC has to walk a tight rope, how is that possible in Hollywood where the finest players are bought and paid ?

As I said, time will tell. Soon Mecca will be here to contest this very topic.

Not sure on Iowa St, but KSU for basketball, for sure. Helps that (and I could be wrong here) we end up beating them in football occasionally as well.
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"The Big 12 is a great league that just got better," Martin said. "... Having a lot of teams doesn't necessarily make a power league, because you've got a huge discrepancy between the top-tier teams and the lower-tier teams. Our league right now is pretty evenly matched 1-10."


By the way, Martin's thoughts on Nebraska and Colorado: "I don't care about them."

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Commentary: A&M, TV deal UT happy - for now. It won't last.

by Samuel McKewon
June 14, 2010

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<!-- end storyImage1 --> With bluffs and threats and proverbially shaking fists, Texas tried to bully the Big 12 South into bending to its will and heading to the Pac-10. Or so it seemed.
Master! The Big 12! It’s alive!
It’ll be Texas A&M athletic director Bill Byrne who inadvertently helped save the league. His refusal to play the “UT says” game - and his keen understanding of just how awry “Pac-16” travel schedules could get - was the lone stumbling block in the plan of Texas President Bill Powers, a California-Berkeley graduate - to send Dust Bowl football on the last train for the coast.
That stumbling block bought some key people - whom ESPN says you’ll never know- enough time to cobble together a weird, long-term TV deal - that, as of this hour, has remained oddly secret - that satisfied UT enough to make the Horns’ final demands to the Pac-10 utterly unreasonable.
Long story short: The TV, BCS and NCAA people weren’t ready for interstellar war and the Congressional snooping that was sure to come with it. They pulled Texas back from the brink, intervened on the behalf of the hapless Dan Beebe and saved a lot of butts.
And Nebraska slipped out of one hot mess of a league just in time.
It’s going to take years to truly unravel what happened over the last several months.
Because Rivals.com seems to have funneled its coverage through the reporter with the chattiest source, you’ve primarily heard UT’s side of the story. And what a side of beef it is! Somehow, while Texas flirted with three different conferences - the Pac-10, the Big Ten and SEC - while stringing along its Big 12, and it remained a steadfast savior, the Boss Horn.
Garbage. Until Monday, the Longhorns appeared willing to drag a coalition of the half-willing to the Pac-10. It would have been, over time, a disaster. To repeat: Texas was courting its own demise trucking itself to a league that has been, and will continue to be, irrelevant to the East Coast unless USC’s on the tube.
The “savior” will now get to own and control its Longhorn Sports Network while Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri lick cowboy boots. They’ll be thankful, of course - what choice do they have? - but they’ll be hired hands on UT‘s ranch.
A&M survived a slew of Texas threats but stood firm, using a threat of its own: The SEC. The Aggies’ surely intended to make the leap. Their intent staved off the Pac-10’s power play.
If you wanted to know what scares Texas, the Aggies unloaded the kryptonite. If Texas is Sentenza il brutto, the SEC is Tuco il cattivo. If the A&M gave the keys of Texas high school football to the SEC and its greasy palms, UT could no longer so easily usher in its preferred prospects on Junior Day and pressure them into committing. You don’t want a guy like Nick Saban sniffing around the DFW Metroplex and Houston, selling kids on the best football conference in the nation (which it still is).
But A&M’s bluff had a lot more bite than UT’s threat to disavow College Station. An encroachment from the east by the SEC, coupled with an inevitable partnership with the West, would have put Texas in a kind of checkmate. Far from consolidating its power from Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean, the two moves combined would have eroded what makes Texas…Texas.
Now, the Longhorns don’t turn in to the Roman Empire, don’t erode the traditional Pac-10 brand and maintain a Midwestern presence.
Minus Nebraska, of course.
The Big 12’s survival will cause some NU fans to glance back at a league that may dump its conference title game and create a round-robin scheduling format that would have allowed the Huskers to renew their Oklahoma rivalry.
Maybe they‘ll ask: If we could trade places with Missouri right this second - would we do it?
(And Mizzou says: Sure!)
But Nebraska should be thrilled with its choice.
The “Texas problem” is never going away. Not for the Big 12, not for Beebe - who will try to jump ship at the first sign of shore - and, perhaps worst of all, not for Texas, whose appetite is insatiable and antithetical, frankly, to good sense. The Horns’ reaction to the mere prospect of realignment was both childish and hypocritical, an impulse of jealousy and base greed. Think Jett Rink. Or Hud. The efficiency with which UT controlled and spun the story through the media is startling. Lone Star state politics is a cutthroat game in its own right.
And mark these words: Texas will test the open market again - with its Longhorns Sports Network firmly in place - and present itself to whichever conference is willing to bend its rules to fit UT under the umbrella.
Don’t forget this little nugget from the Denver Post, which quoted an exasperated Pac-10 negotiator: “At the 11th hour, after months of telling us they understand the TV rights, they're trying to pull a fast one on the verge of sealing the deal in the regents meeting. They want a better revenue sharing deal and their own network. Those were points of principle. (The Pac-10) wants to treat everyone fairly. It's been that way for months of discussions."
M-o-n-t-h-s of discussions. Texas can and will flirt. Long-term TV deal or not.
So Nebraska needs to walk away. No regrets.
And in a decade, you’ll see why. NU will be in a coffee shop talking research with its new friends. The Big 12 will be in another barroom brawl. Texas will be standing on a table, looking to dive into the scrum, a broken bottle in one hoof, a money clip in another.

The St. Louis Post Dispatch has an article out saying that the new Big 12 will have three tiered system for football payouts. First tier will be OU, UT, and A&M at 20+ million dollars a year. The second tier will be Ok. State and Texas Tech at 15-17 million a year. The last tier is everyone else at 14 million or less a year.

Missouri has to be led by some of the world's all time greatest ****ups to go from thinking they had a sure thing in the Big 10 to getting a train ran on them by the Big 12 South minus Baylor. Here is the article.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...1?OpenDocument

Let me ask you this. What if this uneven revenue distribution system actually becomes a weapon rather than a curse? What if the Big 10, who by the way has been as equally ruthless in their methods to expand their conference, obtains Syracuse, threatens the stability of the Big East, and tries to force the issue with the Notre Dame?

Notre Dame, with its own negotiated NBC deal and unwillingness to have revenue it generates shared and distributed with institutions whose research it doesn't theologically agree with looks Beebe's and the Big XII's way. Beebe says, look, here you can keep your own contract, not feel pressured to participate in joint research projects you oppose, and get to feast on the Big XII North division, essentially becoming the Texas of the North.

Do you think a conference that boasts Texas and Notre Dame would be in trouble?

**** me.

If MU gets railroaded by Texas Tech and OSU in this...ugh, just unbelievable.

What a bunch of incompetent assholes we have in this program.

Meanwhile, I'm not exactly worried about Jim Delany's ability to negotiate a TV contract for the Big 10. The Big 10 also has four bowl games on New Year's Day.

Personally, I'm not that bent over it. We all know this expansion was led by football and TV revenues. What schools in the conference generate those for us? The Big XII South teams do, and its not even close. What state provides the recruiting ground for almost every conference member? Texas does. What state provides the most viewership? Texas does. And so, what do us poor little Texas bitches have to put up with to allow Texas to take the lion's share? Only a hair under what the SEC schools currently get. That's right, despite little gridiron history to speak of or titles to add, Texas, who we haven't even been partners with for more than 15 years has enabled us to be players in major college athletics. I mean, who else was looking out for us? AT ALL. You want a bigger share of the pie, here's what I would do: WIN. Win often and win big so it is at other's peril to overlook you as a key contributor or attractive target, and quit bitching about good fortune. You almost just doubled your previous high mark takes for a season.

Have we had an MU press conference yet with Deaton and Alden being led out in full gimp gear complete with ball gags by Bevo?

What a couple of ****ing epic morons.

OSU and TTU could have gone to the Pac-10. Mizzou has no choice here and so no bargaining power.

I really think The University of Texas are a bunch of pussies for being afraid to get their brains bashed in against the SEC.

Mizzou has no choice here because their administration is a pack of ****ing morons.

And let's be real here, Tech and OSU couldn't have gone off to the Pac-10 on their own. The Oklahoma legislature had been making noise for weeks now about not splitting the two state schools and the Pac-10's not extending an offer for Tech without UT coming along for the ride.

Nope, this was a punishment. MU overplayed its hand and UT is telling them to sit in a ****ing corner and like it.

Nicely done, dickheads. Nicely ****ing done.

What you are saying is only partly true. Under the old revenue sharing system, a school's payout was determined by TV appearances. In that system, Missouri was doing quite well and was earning more than Tech or A&M. If the St. Louis Post Dispatch is accurate, MU will earn less despite outperforming Tech and Ok. State in recent years.

I'd be fine if they came out in their suits as long as they got pummeled by rotten fruit and vegetables.

But, maybe that's part of the problem, we're content to do fine. As you stated, we don't yet know the details of how it works. For example, let's say Missouri (in the third tier) has an exceptional year, while the second tier schools have lesser years. The money that would have gone to them now goes to you, and although you may not be able to make more, you may make the maximum in your tier and they may make the floor of theirs, making the payout maybe even less than a million dollars difference. If you can sustain excellence, you can push for a better deal, not only because you have proven your worth to the league, but also because you have made yourself attractive to others. Even Self says they haven't "dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's yet, so we should wait to see how revenues are actually distributed.

We have to remember, its not just the schools, each stat'e board of regents also has their says. So even if they aren't Texas and OU, the BOR of those states made sure the leverage they had extended to all of its state schools. I would expect that if basketball were the dominant revenue generator, KU would have done the same for KSu at that state's BOR request.

Missouri's performance in this ordeal has been pathetic.

If you look at the last five years, their performance in football has bettered every team in the conference save OU and Texas. They've been even or slightly ahead of OSU.

As far as basketball goes, the resurgence under Anderson has been promising as well. Coupled with the fact that OU's program is in the toilet, I think it's safe to say that Missouri is the 3rd-5th best athletic program in conference if you just look at the two major sports.

Getting a third tier deal is pathetic, especially when your state holds the only two other major population centers outside of Texas in the entire conference.

:spock:

If true that is a complete, miserable fail on the part of Mike Alden.

Haha you took the bait.

ROFL reading back at these comments. People thought I was serious? Gabbert with that defense would rival those great teams of the 90's. A simple use of the search button would show you what I thought of Zac Lee. I wanted Cody Green to play ever since the Texas Tech game. This year I want Taylor Martinez to be the starter.

2009-
Ohio State #5
Iowa #7
Penn State #9
Nebraska #14
Wisconsin #16


2008-
Penn State #8
Ohio State #9
Iowa #20
Michigan State #24

2007-
Ohio State #5
Michigan #18
Illinois #20
Wisconsin #24

2006-
Ohio State #2
Wisconsin #7
Michigan #8
Rutgers #12
Penn State #24

2005-
Penn State #3
Ohio State #4
Wisconsin #15
Nebraska #24

2004-
Iowa #8
Michigan #14
Wisconsin #17
Ohio State #20

2003-
Ohio State #4
Michigan #6
Iowa #8
Purdue #18
Nebraska #19
Purdue #20

2002-
Ohio State #1
Iowa #8
Michigan #9
Penn State #16

People really did think you were that stupid. Honestly and truly.

You might want to work on that.

I'll never be cool on the internets.

Name the last time Nebraska lost to a Big Team. Besides the bowl game aginst coach dumbass ( which they won) they've beat the Big Ten up pretty good.


People are overlooking this recruiting class might be the best recruiting class ever. And they are going into Big Ten states and competing with teams like OSU and Michigan for players.

I don't knw the last time they lost to a Big 10 team, the point I'm making is the confrence they went to consistently fields 4-5 top 25 teams...thus making them 4th or 5th fiddle in that confrence versus 2nd in the big 12 only behind texas

So does the Big 12. Besides OSU, nobody in that confrence recruits like OU & Texas.

nice job, now they'll actuall have to play a championship game, which i think is where Texas is coming from here, drop our only competition in football save a gift call

And what I mean by that is Beebe might be making the right moce

I want us to recruit TCU and Memphis and maybe UTEP if one of the above doesn't want in

This is a good point. Also besides Illinois fluke season a few years ago you play Michigan State, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana plus the easy non confrence schedule you are guaranteed atleast 7 wins a season.

Wanted to post this again, since I tried to get on the michigan high school NCAA records since 1950.

Since joining the Big XII, Kansas State is 4-2 against Texas in football.

1998 - 45-7 - KSU
1999 - 35-17 - KSU
2002 - 14-17 - Texas
2003 - 20-24 - Texas
2006 - 45-42 - KSU
2007 - 41-21 - KSU

Missouri has not beaten Texas.
Kansas has not beaten Texas.

Well, there was that one game between Kansas and Texas. You know, dollar signs. LMAO

Yeah, I remember.

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Just being in position to win that game was good enough for me. Too bad it had to end that way.:shake:

Here's a question though. Of the last tier schools, 14 million or less, how much of a jump is it from what they previously got before?

Exactly.

According to the article 2007 was the last year the numbers were made public. KU and Missouri get the shaft in this, while Okie State and Tech improve their standings.

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_...ng-will-remain


KANSAS CITY--Though it's not an issue that will ultimately push schools to leave, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe slammed the door shut on any chance of the Big 12 restructuring it's conference revenue structure in order to keep schools like Nebraska and Missouri from leaving.

"Revenue distribution's been very well vetted within the conference and the board has determined that our method of distribution, which was appropriate when the conference was formed, based upon what was needed to form the conference, is one that will continue," Beebe said. "One athletics director that's been on the side of wanting more equal distribution said, 'It's not necessarily discriminatory. I've come around to a different view. If my program is elevated, which it has been recently, and I get more appearances, I get more money."

Beebe declined to name said athletic director, but that certainly sounds like words that could come from Missouri athletic director Mike Alden. Beebe added that there are people within the conference that would perhaps prefer a different method, but said "I don't know that if you threw all these schools together and they had the option, that it would be done any differently."

Big 12 schools share half of their television revenue equally between the 12 programs within the conference. Schools that play in more televised games receive a greater share of the other half.

The last year revenue data was made public was 2007, and here's who earned how much, according to the Omaha World-Herald:

1. Texas: $10.2 million

2. Oklahoma: $9.8 million

3. Kansas: $9.24 million

4. Texas A&M: $9.22 million

5. Nebraska: $9.1 million

6. Missouri: $8.4 million

7. Texas Tech: $8.23 million

8. Kansas State: $8.21 million

9. Oklahoma State: $8.1 million

10. Colorado: $8.0 million

11. Iowa State: $7.4 million

12. Baylor: $7.1 million

Big Ten teams received a reported $22 million over the last fiscal year, up from $14 million in the 2006-07 fiscal year, in part because of the success of the Big Ten Network, which launched in August 2007.

According to a report in the Lincoln Journal Star, the network generated $204 million in revenue in 2009.

Based on a TV deal in the works that could pay upwards of $25 million per year, Texas leaned toward staying in a 10-team Big 12 for the foreseeable future, Orangebloods.com reported, citing sources familiar with negotiations.

Texas stands to earn between $20 million and $25 million annually in television revenue in the reworked deal, including money from its own network, according to Orangebloods.com.

The other seven schools in the Big 12 would make between $14 million and $17 million, doubling what they currently receive in TV revenue.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672

I also think the deal-breaker on this, other than the money amount, was that "chance for each school to have its own network."

So, here's hoping to see something like,

"Wildcat Network"
"PowerMizzou TV"
"RockChalk Network"

Each university could make some money on the side in their own terms.

And at the same time, as a 10-team league, the Big 12 would be more profitable than having a 12 team, IMHO. While losing Nebraska does hurt in terms of value, losing Colorado was a god-send, because Colorado was CLEARLY underperforming, and was not worth a shit keeping.

And most likely, Nebraska and Colorado will eventually have to pay the exit penalty.

Pay up, suckass!

As far as KU is concerned, they should be fine with it. Their football revenue from the conference just about doubles with the promise of more someday if they ever elevate their program.

The reason why basketball isn't as important to the conference is because the way its set up now (ignoring the tournament) each school basically keeps almost all the money they bring in. Almost every Jayhawk game is a national tv game with the network writing a check to Kansas. Because of their elite program, Kansas makes a freaking ton of money despite getting slightly below-BCS-average football payout.

Maybee we could see the the games from start to finish and not miss tipoff. What if the other 9 schools made a Big X Network - Texas.

My season football tickets will look a lot better when we drop a cupcake and add another home conference game.

That is what I was thinking. I know a network for each smaller school wouldn't work. But what about a Big 8 schools network or something. Not the name, just talking about the schools involved. Sure OU would probably garner the most money there, but each school would get some more profit.

Should give more things to fill the air time when you use 6 (Big 8 minus NU and CU) rather than a single school.

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Expect to see 3 cupcake non-conference games since everyone will have 9 conference games against the likes of Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, Texas Tech....

2 cupcakes + 1 real OOC + conference play would be better.

Better for who? Not for the team who is trying to make a run at a BCS bowl. Strength of schedule doesn't figure into the mix, so it's even more of a race to sign up the lower tier D1 programs for the NC schedule.

Alden and Deaton completely fucked Missouri on this deal.

The Big 12 will live on as long as the money's good and the teams being treated like lesser entities don't have better offers on the table, but that probably won't be the case forever.

Strength of schedule absolutely figures into the equation. Some of the computer polls figure it in and it definitely weighs into the minds of voters.

But you can be sure that, should Missouri ever be one of those teams with a better offer on the table, Alden will do everything in his power to !@#$ it up.

Whatever, you guys assume too much.

IMO, if Texas would have been thinking long-term, they would have agreed to a more amicable deal in regards to revenue sharing. All this deal does is ripen the fruit on the vine for future expansion attempts by the more powerful conferences. Then where is UT's $25million a year?