Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 18050016)

$15m isn't crazy I dunno

Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 18050324)

An unintended benefit of the Simmons pick is that Taylor will NEED to avoid all penalties.

You eliminate half of the penalties and Taylor is a plus starter.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18050333)

So you believe that 60 yards (half of the penalty yardage against him last season) in penalties over a 17 game season AND the playoffs is the difference between Jawaan Taylor being someone that should be benched and him being a plus starter?

Guys...y'all get too hung up on these penalties. Guy was responsible for about 6 penalty yards per game last year. he had 115 penalty yards against in 19 games.

Do that again next year and otherwise be a plus pass protector and I will give exactly ZERO shits about the penalties.

Cut those down to nothing but become a less effective pass protector and THEN I'll talk about benching you.

We just put WAY too much weight on the penalties. Y'all act like he was penalized 2-3 times/gm every single game. He had 8 games last year where he wasn't penalized (same number of regular season games as where he was). The narrative with the guy has just gone WAY overboard.

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 18050351)

The Geoff Schwartz (or Mitchell? Don't remember) bit about his leaning back creating a larger gap for Trey Smith to clog up and thus causing him to make more mistakes in protection is something I'm more concerned about with Taylor than the penalties.

I have no clue if Schwartz is actually right about that. It just seems like the right side of the line had way more problems this year than it did the previous season.

Also, yeah, I've been saying ever since Collinsworth flapped his vagina in the Detroit game that I don't give a shit about penalties. Especially little 5-yard ****ers.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18050321)

Oh I'm fine with 5% of the cap for a starting LT. Elated, in fact.

It's if he's the BACKUP LT or swing tackle that I'm taking umbrage with, and that's what some folks are suggesting.

That a dude coming off a nasty knee injury -- a rookie no less -- is going to come in and push a guy to the bench who's responsible for 5% of our cap. Or funnier still, the 2 year starter here who's been outstanding in the playoffs on our way to a championship and another AFC championship and who's responsible for damn near 10% of our cap.

I'm just saying - it's not nothing. It's a fine figure for ANY viable starter. I mean name a position on the team and in a vacuum, there's an argument for being willing to pay that amount for a starting caliber player. Probably not RB, but damn near everywhere else -- it's at worst, a TOLERABLE number for a starting caliber player.

I'm just saying that I wouldn't hand-waive the consequences of just benching the guy.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18050402)

So let me get this straight...

There are people who would be UPSET if the 'top 5 pick before the injury' Left Tackle that we just took in the first round actually takes the starting Left Tackle job in training camp because we signed a former 5th round pick that's been backing up Trent Williams for $15m in free agency when that was the best we could do to make sure we could put an actual NFL player at LT to protect Mahomes?

Like....somehow that's not the absolute BEST thing we could possibly hope for?

I mean...what the actual ****?

So what if we overpay for a swing tackle/insurance policy for one season. I give zero ****s, and actually feel GOOD about the fact that we went from zero LT's on our roster to having TWO.

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 18050403)

There’s also the business aspect side of things. Agents will always take advantage of Chiefs/Veach when it comes to protecting Mahomes. They know how valuable he is to the team and the NFL, so the price goes up. It’s business.

Agents will always try to get more.

If we pay top dollar to two elite tackles, I wonder what our cap situation would be like. I wonder what players we wouldn’t be able to retain.

You can’t just write checks in the NFL. Moore actually saved us a ton of money and has a lot of upside. Gotta navigate with what’s out there. We’ll be fine.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18050402)

So let me get this straight...

There are people who would be UPSET if the 'top 5 pick before the injury' Left Tackle that we just took in the first round actually takes the starting Left Tackle job in training camp because we signed a former 5th round pick that's been backing up Trent Williams for $15m in free agency when that was the best we could do to make sure we could put an actual NFL player at LT to protect Mahomes?

Like....somehow that's not the absolute BEST thing we could possibly hope for?

I mean...what the actual ****?

So what if we overpay for a swing tackle/insurance policy for one season. I give zero ****s, and actually feel GOOD about the fact that we went from zero LT's on our roster to having TWO.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18050405)

We're not paying for elite WR play-even though we will (barring injury) get it this season. We're not paying for elite CB play, even though we will get it this season. We're not paying ANY safeties.

We're not in cap trouble.

Originally Posted by In58men (Post 18050407)

We would be if we were paying two bookend tackles top dollar like some people want.