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O.city 08-10-2023 11:01 AM
They can't afford to tag him for 2 years.

wazu 08-10-2023 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050628)
They can't afford to tag him for 2 years.
You sure about that? This year would have been $19M. Less than they are paying him. Sure it'll be more next two years, but compared to the extension they are offering would it be so different?

tredadda 08-10-2023 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17050585)
You dont need to keep Creed, like at all.
Because he can always be replaced by a Reiter or something.

Wallcrawler 08-10-2023 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17049088)
Oh my. Didn't Jones have the game sealing sack on Burrow in the AFCCG? If he does not, is it certain that KC wins that game? If not then there is a chance we do not win the SB without him as we don't even make it.
What are you asking? Are you asking if Chris Jones doesn't step up on 3rd and 8 in a game he played do we make it? Who knows. If he doesn't sack him, it could've been an incompletion, could've been an interception, could have been anything. Could have gone to OT. We don't know, but this whole "If Jones doesn't sack Burrow on 3rd and 8 we don't win" is pure speculation and horseshit. Burrow had already thrown multiple picks and bad incompletions.

O.city 08-10-2023 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17050631)
You sure about that? This year would have been $19M. Less than they are paying him. Sure it'll be more next two years, but compared to the extension they are offering would it be so different?
Next years tag would be 33.5 million for him.

Red Dawg 08-10-2023 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17050602)
So what contract would offer him right now? I don't get how you can have the stance that he's a year or so away from falling off yet want to give him $25mil.
Guaranteed amount is really what matters. His last one was 60 mil. Donald got 46 mil. Williams got 66 mil. If reports are right Jones want's at least that much in total guarantees.

Mecca 08-10-2023 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17050634)
Because he can always be replaced by a Reiter or something.
That isn't going to look nearly as good when we don't have a top 5 WR group that can get open quickly.

Chief Pagan 08-10-2023 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17050575)
Cool, should have traded him before the draft then in order to maximize value and get his old ass off the team.
In hindsight, probably so.

Maybe Jones wasn't honest about what contract he would be happy with?

smithandrew051 08-10-2023 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 17050646)
In hindsight, probably so.

Maybe Jones wasn't honest about what contract he would be happy with?
Other teams might not want to pay a near 30 year old DT that price plus give up draft compensation.

tredadda 08-10-2023 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler (Post 17050640)
What are you asking? Are you asking if Chris Jones doesn't step up on 3rd and 8 in a game he played do we make it? Who knows. If he doesn't sack him, it could've been an incompletion, could've been an interception, could have been anything. Could have gone to OT. We don't know, but this whole "If Jones doesn't sack Burrow on 3rd and 8 we don't win" is pure speculation and horseshit. Burrow had already thrown multiple picks and bad incompletions.
Correct, we don't know what could have happened had he not sacked Burrow. But what we do know is Jones sacked him and that was a critical play that helped KC to get to a SB. So yes, without speculating and throwing "what if's" in there, KC most likely does not make the SB without Jones' sack.

wazu 08-10-2023 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17050641)
Next years tag would be 33.5 million for him.
Okay, so his cap hit next year would be about $5M more than it already is this year. With no long-term ill effects of any kind. We really can't work around that?

Chief Pagan 08-10-2023 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17050596)
Wouldn't it have made more sense to get a 1st rounder + and draft his replacement and have a core piece for the next 4 years rather than keep him and trade a falling off DT (30 year old is when DTs fall off according to you guys) for scraps next year?
I guess if you think the window is now when you still have Kelce you play Jones one more year. But you don't give Jones the third contract. Let some other team take that chance.

tredadda 08-10-2023 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17050644)
That isn't going to look nearly as good when we don't have a top 5 WR group that can get open quickly.
Of course not. The thought that KC can just replace Creed easily is silly. They could get a stud or they could get a Reiter.

O.city 08-10-2023 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17050656)
Okay, so his cap hit next year would be about $5M more than it already is this year. With no long-term ill effects of any kind. We really can't work around that?
Well, that would eat up about 3/4 of the cap space we're gonna have available.

Chief Pagan 08-10-2023 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17050652)
Other teams might not want to pay a near 30 year old DT that price plus give up draft compensation.
Well maybe so. But it seems like there is usually some team out there desperate enough to give up picks who also has cap space.


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