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Pablo 02-10-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10425209)
Apparently Dayton blamed Kauffman Stadium for our inability to draw walks again today. That's a discouraging sign considering our lineup for next year.

What's the rationale behind this?

duncan_idaho 02-10-2014 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10425209)
Apparently Dayton blamed Kauffman Stadium for our inability to draw walks again today. That's a discouraging sign considering our lineup for next year.

It's pretty clear that Dayton doesn't understand a lot of the more modern advancements in baseball and that grinding out walks and at-bats is not about being able to hit HR. That's a very antiquated thought process.

Look at the Cardinals... they played in a park that depressed HR totals last year at a rate very similar to the K and still were able to draw a ton of walks. Or the Rays, who led the major leagues in BBs despite playing at the Trop.

Drawing walks is about going to the plate with an approach that accepts a walk and is willing to work two strike counts and foul off pitches on the outside part of the plate until the pitcher gives them something that can be put into play.

duncan_idaho 02-10-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10425218)
What's the rationale behind this?

A lot of old-school baseball people think you only draw a lot of walks if the opposing team is scared of your home run power.

HR power helps, but is less important than the things I mentioned in my last post.

Wish I'd been there. I would have asked him why, then, were the Orioles - who play in a place that INCREASES HR output substantially - so bad at drawing walks last year, while their division rivals, the Rays - who play in a place that notoriously DECREASES HR output - were so good at it?

Pablo 02-10-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10425227)
A lot of old-school baseball people think you only draw a lot of walks if the opposing team is scared of your home run power.

HR power helps, but is less important than the things I mentioned in my last post.

Wish I'd been there. I would have asked him why, then, were the Orioles - who play in a place that INCREASES HR output substantially - so bad at drawing walks last year, while their division rivals, the Rays - who play in a place that notoriously DECREASES HR output - were so good at it?

Thanks. I'll readily admit I didn't really start watching baseball until last season regularly.

That sort of stuff is totally foreign to me.

alnorth 02-10-2014 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10425209)
Apparently Dayton blamed Kauffman Stadium for our inability to draw walks again today. That's a discouraging sign considering our lineup for next year.

Does he think there's something wrong with the K's batter's eye?

DeezNutz 02-10-2014 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 10425218)
What's the rationale behind this?

Because DM is functionally illiterate when it comes to any form of advanced metrics. Seriously, in some areas of analysis he is truly one stupid mother****er.

duncan_idaho 02-10-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10425252)
Does he think there's something wrong with the K's batter's eye?

I wish the true answer was something like that. But if there was an issue with the batter's eye, they could fix it (and Royals opponents/K park factor would not be so neutral when it comes to walks).

It's slightly below average in terms of BB rate in a park, but not by much.

Pretty clear the Royals have some old school organizational thought that they won't be able to draw walks consistently because they don't have guys who have power to hit the ball out of the yard and therefore be respected and frequently walked.

Jack Maloof was just stupid enough to share those types of comments in a public forum and be made to take the fall for it.

One bright side... at least Grifol is from outside Dayton Moore's Atlanta/Old School brain trust and seems to understand some of the more modern aspects of the game.

Chiefspants 02-10-2014 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10425252)
Does he think there's something wrong with the K's batter's eye?

Unfortunately, he specifically cited how difficult it is to hit home runs at the K when making the comment.

duncan_idaho 02-10-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10425287)
Unfortunately, he specifically cited how difficult it is to hit home runs at the K when making the comment.

http://www.troll.me/images/facepalm-...shit-again.jpg

alnorth 02-10-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10425287)
Unfortunately, he specifically cited how difficult it is to hit home runs at the K when making the comment.

Oh, for crying out loud.

Sure, if you have a powerful lineup and/or a tiny ballpark that strikes fear in the hearts of your opponent, that might have a small impact on walks, but patient hitters can draw walks anywhere, because pitchers are not going to radically alter how they pitch from game to game. If you have a finesse guy he's always going to aim for the corners wherever he's pitching, and if you have a guy who throws 99 with movement, he's going to pump them into the strike zone regardless of ballpark.

Sure-Oz 02-10-2014 05:03 PM

I still can't wait till GMDM is fired

stonedstooge 02-10-2014 05:06 PM

Fever and Hud discussed the lack of walks last year several times on tv. Royals are a HITTING team and don't need no stinking walks

BlackHelicopters 02-10-2014 05:09 PM

No one walks to a WS win-GMDM

mr. tegu 02-10-2014 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10425432)
I still can't wait till GMDM is fired

So you are hoping for a bad season so he is fired sooner rather than later?

Sure-Oz 02-10-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 10425457)
So you are hoping for a bad season so he is fired sooner rather than later?

Def not hoping for a bad season....I just think GMDM does some really stupid shit and his success wont last long.


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