Time is running out for these dudes. They’re currently #10 in the conference, behind the Dolphins who didn’t have their QB for like a month. That’s pathetic.

I think it was Parcells who said real football doesn’t start until after Thanksgiving so they’ve got a chance, but they basically can’t lose anymore games. Or if they do, they’ll need like three other teams to also lose a bunch to back into the playoffs.

They could only post in their GDT since last night. Poor guys couldn't even flood the board with threads for a proper meltdown.

Brutal loss. Come back 21 points down, set up for the game winning FG twice, and MissPherson as they call him misses both kicks.

Their playoff probability is 10 percent.

imagine wasting prime burrow's years LMAO

dude is going to be 28 soon

lmao dude running about deleting posts now

sad!

Meh, Cincy is going to have to win out to get to 10-7 and even then may still need some help idk.

But, with that Defense (disgusting), O-line, and McPherson missing every other kick not likely to happen at all. Seriously, I'm struggling to even think of a Cincy defense the past few decades that is worse than this one. This might be the worst D Cincy has ever fielded. They're gross especially at the back end.

Remaining schedule:
Steelers
@Cowboys
@Titans
Browns
Broncos
@Steelers

Not looking good.

I know, right? Can't even go on for a proper meltdown lol.

Yeah, I think you’re right. The 5 seed will probably go to the Steelers or Ravens.

The Chargers and Broncos are both already at 7 and 6 wins. If all it takes is 10, they’re both pretty damned close.

That loss last night may have been the proverbial nail in the coffin for y’all.

I think 9 wins will ultimately take the 7 seed, though it's certainly possible that Denver could get to 10.

Denver is who Cincy will have to catch - the 6 seed is gone, especially now that they've lost the H2H tiebreaker with LAC.

But to even both worrying about Denver, they'll have to clear Indy and shit, Miami. And again, I just don't even see THAT as a given.

They're toast. They've been toast since Week 5.

What happened to McPherson? He used to be nails.

rfaulk today

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PNheqySbOmU/h...cQ1h6Wllo8iUHg

Wouldn't blame Rfaulk one bit. It's been a rough year.

QB and offense playing out of their ****ing minds, yet can't buy a win.

Kickers.

When they get in a funk, its really really hard for them to pull out of it. It makes what Butker did after that season where he was struggling a bit awfully impressive.

Many - if not most - kickers just don't ever get it back on the rails when something like that happens. I mean it's fair to start to wonder if Tucker's ever going to get back to what he was. Age is age and he's not young, but 34 isn't really 'kicker old' either. Morten Anderson was out there drilling everything he hit inside of 50 yards into his mid 40s.

I don't know if this is an age thing - he's just in a funk.

FYP

Cincy sneaks in at the 7, Buffalo at the 2.

Cincy knocks the golden Buffalo team out, again, and meltdowns ensue. Buffalo fan chooses to jump into concrete tables.

Please?

Lesbo Joe

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5e5f3bdc09.jpg

dude managed to wear a MORE feminine cut LMAO

OMFG

ROFL ROFL

If only he was concerned with winning and being a leader as he is picking out the gayest outfit in his closet every week.

Sad

Reminds of when Camel Joe waltzed in as the Prancercize lady

https://i.imgur.com/N71WtMt.jpg

I just don't get the whole women's clothes thing.

Is it a humiliation/hazing ritual?

NBA does this a lot. I kinda think half of the NBA is closet gay anyways.

Travis Kelce is also guilty of this. RG3, Ryan Clark on TV.

Call me silly but Id never be caught wearing women's clothes.

Swag my ass...dude looks like a homo. Is this what "alpha males" have become?

Yips I guess. Idk.

I've seen some people speculate the new holder (rookie punter) and maybe snap timing could be off or something. Valid questions I guess but idk.

Don't be jealous you can't pull off that look LMAO

dude needs to fire his stylist

You mean look like a girl??? No thanks..

Joe just can’t help but be a bundle of sticks. It’s just who he is

Haha yup.

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Embarrassing.

I'm surprised it didn't have teddy bears on it.

Holy shit, check out that camel toe.

Boy was one broke ass bitch leaving the field

Season is done.

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Broke

Wonder if Chase will end up leaving.

Joe's kids are going to have to be turkey bastered out of some dude's ass

The peroxide blond hair does make some logical sense. When you see a rejected short and curly on the edge of the bowl. You won't think Burrow because it blends in with the china

He knows he's never winning a superbowl in cinci.

Mahomes went 12-4 with one of the worst defenses of all-time. It was far worse than Burrow’s current defense.

Enough with the excuses for him. Fuhgettaboutit

You hate to see it, but mostly, you love to see it.

And yes, Mahomes had a worse defense in 2018 and was (1) a coin toss and (2) Dee Ford being an absolute moron away from playing in the Super Bowl.

why is everyone trying to steal lesbian swag. **** off joe, you’re not adam sandler

They will throw a massive bag at him. He will stay and continue to lose.

I hope they throw a huge bag at him, and he has a TO type meltdown every other year.

Yup. That was the year they scored 51 points in a regular season game…..and still lost.

The difference is clear.

Burrow:
1. Had the ball in his hands against NE in game #1 down 6. Failed to get even a first down.

2. Had the ball in his hands against KC in game #2 with a lead and failed to extend it, where a FG doesn't beat you. (same scenario that Josh Allen was in this past Sunday against you).

3. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #5 with a lead and not only failed to extend it, threw an INT that lead to a tie, before losing in OT.

4. Had the ball in his hands against Balt in game #10 and failed to convert a 2pt conversion.

5. Had the ball in his hands against LAC in game #11, in a tie game and missed a blown coverage that left Chase wide open, then missed Chase on a deep pass when he was wide open on the next drive.

He's put up MVP numbers this year, by and large through 3 1/2 quarters of each game, yet when the ball is in his hands to win it, 5 times this year, he's failed every time.

You can call out the defense and kicker and coach and whatever you want but the ball was in your franchise QBs hands on 5 occasions this year with a chance for him to make plays to win games and he hasn't come through even once.

Zero for 5. If he converts even 2 of those, the team is 6-5 and right in the thick of things.

Joe is cuddled like a baby. Poor Joe has a bad defense. So did PM, RR, Manning, Rivers, Herbert and so on.

Ouch

For the most part, Burrow is having an MVP type of year. He's top-3 in most every QB metric. And he doesn't have a great OL or running game. He does have a pair of really good WRs, though Higgins hasn't been available the entire year. Says something about the value of quality WRs.

HE hasn't been clutch in several games, that's true, the LAC game we all just watched being the most recent example, but his defense and STs definitely haven't been helping him much at all either.

Man is that Orlando Brown Jr investment paying off or what? Dude can't even get on the field these days. Well, at least there's no dropoff in protection! LMAO

Isn't he the one that got Burrows wrist ****ed up too? I distinctly remember him getting bull rushed back into Burrow and him wincing and flexing his wrist afterwards, and the next week is when it ruptured.

I haven’t looked into any advanced metrics, but I don’t think the 2018 Chiefs had one of the worst defenses of all time. IIRC, they were like top 3 in getting to the passer. At least they could do something well (until it really mattered in the AFCCG).

Looks like 2018 Chiefs D allowed 26.2 PPG on average to 26.9 for the 2024 Bengals.

TBF, i'm not putting it all on him. He's doing more than enough throughout the the game where he shouldn't have to be a hero at the end of most of their games. There's a lot of blame to spread around.

I'm simply pointing out that all those numbers are great...but if you don't make the 1, 2 or 3 plays needed at the end...so what?

Statistically, KC was indeed a top-10 defense. And yeah, they led the league in sacks, were top-5 in pressures or QB hits (mybe both), and, 3rd downs. Yeah, KC's defense was top of the league on 3rd down.


But advanced metrics showed that a lot of that was because of SoS. Some of it had to do with certain defensive players not being available.

Anyway, things like pressures/sacks were inflated because many of the OLs we played that year weren't very good. And when we did play a team with a good OL, we couldn't get a sack or much pressure. So when we played NE in the AFCCG and couldn't get sacks and couldn't get the off the field on 3rd down, well, the answers were there, just not in the gross stats.

I think I read about all of that in a The Athletic article shortly after the AFCCG.

This is by far the most honest post I have ever seen from an opposing fan on CP - not surprised it came from Faulk. Easily the best oppo poster here.

This is almost the equivalent of a donk fans admitting they have never won a legitimate superbowl.

This is the big knock on him even before this season started. His lack of fourth quarter TDs in the playoffs was just brushed aside. Problem is that you can’t do that as it’s telling that when he needs to make a play in the biggest moments he fails to produce.

This is the time when he had the best opportunity to carry this team on his back and he can’t do it. What’s sad is that he is actually putting up MVP numbers but has zero chance of winning it. Like it or not, the MVP is essentially a QB award and regardless of how great a QBs numbers are, they will always be judged on W/L record more than anything else.

I posted a stat that Burrow has 0 4th quarter TDs in the postseason...so the trend you posted is consistent.

Just shows how rare the clutch gene is...Montana, Brady and Mahomes. Manning didnt have it either...Herbert doesnt have it. That Sunday night game was a fluke....and he almost blew it. Two non-clutch QBs going at it in 4th...someone had to win.

They gave up 400 ypg. It would have been more if we had a bad offense

They were terrible

The Chiefs playoff history under Patrick Mahomes would look pretty damn similar to that if it weren't for the fact that Patrick is so unbelievably clutch. We've come to expect him to deliver when it counts most because he almost always does, but we forget just how incredibly important that one factor is in deciding who gets the trophy and goes home to **** the prom queen.

Oh wow.

I mean...that's pretty damning. I didn't realize it was that pervasive, especially when viewed on concert with some of his post-season numbers.

It's awfully strange to me that the first thing people say about the guy is that he's clutch (again, presumptively based on a single win against a team that collapsed offensively in the 2nd half). Literally every other bit of evidence suggests the opposite.

Say he's an incredible pure passer or brilliant processor if you want. I have a harder time coming up with an obvious rebuttal to that.

But the clutch thing? That one's just strange. There's seemingly little basis for it.

I heard Nick Wright say yesterday, trying to defend Burrow over Lamar, that Burrow is in the Brady mold in that he's very accurate and he's clutch. He's right on accuracy, he's the best in the league there. But clutch is his clear weakness. It's obviously been an Allen weakness as well in the playoffs. Clutch is where Mahomes shines.

Wow. Woof. That's rough.

Really good and succinct post though. Even if flies in the face of Bengals talking shit. LOL

He beat Alabama tho!!!! Deshawn Watson is still trying to live off the same narrative.

I didn't realize it that bad. Credit to faulk for rolling up a really good argument.

Yeah, I have to agree.

Though if I’m honest, Pat hasn’t been super clutch recently either. If we’re brutally honest about it, the defense has been more clutch than Mahomes during the streak.

But Pat has managed to lead several game-winning drives in there, so we think of him as clutch

It's been ramped up this year (seemingly). I don't know how consistent that is for his career and i almost think i need to go back and watch those close games to see how what he's done for his career stacks up against what Mahomes and Allen have done in similar situations. 'Ball in hand with a chance to extend or win'. I did that breakdown earlier about supposed clutchness for his career but i didn't really look at it under that fine a microscope. I do know he only has like 6 GWDs in his career so i don't know that previous years are going to look a whole lot different than this year but i'd like to see how it compares to the other 2.

Shit, if anything I think the clutch gene is still in tact. Anytime we absolutely need a drive with points, he delivers.

Our last drive against the Broncos yielded points that took the lead. The last drive against the Bills yielded points to make it a 2 point game. It was the clutch factor itself that caused the 4th down conversion from Buffalo. They knew they couldn’t give us the ball back with a 5 point lead.

And that's the thing. Regardless of how you get there, if you're close and put the ball in your QBs hand and he's a Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Lamar etc., you expect him to succeed more often than not. Even if he's not having the best game/season.

Clutch is clutch and it's really pretty easy to see if you're willing to look close enough.

The best 4 QB's of this era right now are generally considered to be Mahomes, Allen, Burrow and Jackson.

Per PFR, since 2018 (year they became starters) Mahomes has 20 game winning drives, Allen with 21, Jackson with 12.

Now, Burrow didn't start till 2020 and obviously, has had some injuries and missed some time, but has 7 GWD's for his career, all in 2021 & 2022.

Zero GWD's last year or this year, per PFR.

And here's the strangest part - Some of Mahomes being clutch truly was "**** it, Tyreek's down there somewhere..."

Or ripping it over the seam to Kelce and letting him work.

Burrow HAS those guys in Chase and Higgins. Chase is a walking explosive play and Higgins is as good a high-point catcher as the league has right now on contested catches.

Those are two of the most critical elements to a 'gotta have it' sort of drive and Burrow has never really known a world without them. And yet here we are.

That's....bad. That's real bad.

Curious those QB numbers if you threw playoffs in there as well.

Figured that was coming.

ZERO for Allen and Jackson.

Two GWD's for Burrow. Both in 2021. Back to back weeks. Tenn. and KC. Led the GW FG drive in OT against us.

Mahomes has six. One in 2019, one in 2021, two in 2022, two in 2023.

All stats, per PFR.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...layer=MahoPa00

That's interesting. IMO Allen deserves credit for the :13 game, because he finished a TD drive with ****ing :13 left. Granted our dudes couldn't even stand up out there and his defense failed to realize Tyreek was fast.

Just goes to show that you can't just go by the blind stats. Just in the games I've ssen, I'd take Allen over Jackson for sure and probably above Burrow.

Allen gets credit for his play in the .13 seconds game, but it wasn’t a GWD by definition since his team didn’t win. Obviously, not HIS fault in that instance.

But I agree with you. I would take Allen, after Mahomes of course, over any of those other guys. I think he’s the second best QB in the NFL.

That said, all of Allen’s playoff wins have been by his team being up by a bunch or his team having to hold on at the end. Very rarely did Buffalo get down to the other team and require a comeback to win (at least not in the games he won). Obviously, in the games he lost, he didn’t get it done (although I’m willing to grant an exception for the 13 seconds game)

Rings are how you are judged in pro football. Mahomes has 3. Ask Marino how he's judged having none.

That's part of it too. People define clutch differently. Burrow has done what you said here. Gotten the team close, gave them the lead, etc and either the defense or kicker has failed to hold/win. I think that's a valid way to define being clutch; getting or keeping your team close enough to win.

Then there's the drive that extends your lead beyond where an opponent can come back or gives you the win. That's the part where Burrow has come up short, mostly this year but also in 2 critical post season games and some other regular season games.

Dunno. Maybe someone needs to come up with another word that goes beyond clutch in the most critical situations.

I've said it before and will say it again.

Allen is the only QB in football who's A game can stand toe to toe with Mahomes A game.

And if he has fewer and fewer of the B and C games, he'll be at the same level as PM.

Prior this season, the real distinction between the two was that PM just never had games where he shot his own guys out of the game. His B games were a little less frequent than Allen, as were his C games. His D and F games were virtually non-existent.

That's not really the case anymore. Right now, Allen is an equally dangerous QB.

We'll see if that remains the case when the post-season gets here. But history says that Allen is about the only guy in the league who can reasonably claim that his post-season performance is on the same level as PMs. Especially the more mature version of him that's been around the last couple of years (not the hyperactive one that killed them a few years back agains the Texans).

Allen's a remarkable talent. As good as the league's had. In virtually any other era, he'd be the best in the league without much argument.

Actually I would counter with the idea our offense was so ****ing good and scored so consistently fast that the defense was continually being put back on the field very quickly.

Yeah. I guess what I meant to add was that in these cases where QBs have been "clutch," they also got help from somewhere else as well. Their top-$$$ receivers usually, and as in the case the other night, I don't think Burrow got a lot of help from Higgins/Chase there at the end.

I mean, I remember at least two instances where Joe hit either Chase or Higgins, but they failed to come up with the catches. Now, where those great, really well-placed passes? No, they could've been better in both cases. But they were catchable, and at the end of the day those guys are getting paid stupid $$$ to come down with the ball.

This is also the only area Mahomes has ever failed in the post-season.

The Cincy game we lost was a game where he had 3 or 4 opportunities to really just put the game away. And he never could get it done. He the worst half of football he'd ever played to that point.

The defense often takes the blame for that game but you could just as easily put it on Mahomes. Something was just...off.