We gonna just rebuild a whole defense full of rookies.

Ditto.

Im over aging CB's. They pretty much never work out well for us. I'm still having nightmares of Ty Law's slow ass....

I'll say it, I have no ****ing idea what the plan was this offseason. Seems like we were cap strapped and even when we got money trading away our most dynamic player... we are sitting on it.

Feel like its a reset. We have a lot of holes to fill.


Losts of talent out the door - from the front office to the wideout room to the depleted CBs to nonexistent DL.

It's about youth, depth and opening up our window for the next 4-5 years.

All these other teams are going all in to catch up to us. What no one is talking about....is that only one team gets to come out of the AFC every year. And this year is about to be a ****ing gauntlet for every team.

But while they're taking on contracts because of rookie QB deals....they're going to eventually **** themselves and have their window closed once they have to pay said QB.

Most of these vets are on one or two year deals, though. Those won't hamstring the cap. I agree with drafting youth as a principle - speed - dynamic athletes - but that is putting a lot of pressure on a draft class to produce ASAP.

We'll see, I hope they do amazing things with the flexibility.

And there are still a TON of guys out in FA that Veach can bring in to better this team after the draft.

Every year is another year older for our QB. This isn't gonna last forever.

I'm willing to take a small step back for an intensive roster rebuild that will take this year and next year. I think the payoff will equal more Super Bowls over his career...hell I don't want to just win a few more SBs, I want to see an all out anal-pillaging like Seattle did to Denver in 2014. I have high standards.

He's 26. Calm the **** down.

Same for Kelce and Jones. They are very close to the end of their primes.

But you can’t go all in every year or you’ll burn out. Smart teams do what we did and have a reload year. Patriots did this fairly frequently. It just looked different bc the AFC East and conference in general was nowhere near as talented then as it is now.

Exactly JFC.

Colts got one good year and one bad year out of Xavier Rhodes and everyone said he was washed.

I hope we get at least one decent year out of Gilmore.

I'm gonna go full staylor on your ass here. This is a ****ing stupid mindset. Makes you sound like a whiney bitch.

By continually going "all in" we're not actually going "all in." Each roster surge of "all in" is progressively less and less potent than the others, while continually kicking the can down the road.

A year or two in which the roster regroups doesn't mean we go 4-12. We're still a playoff team and I'd still argue we're the favorites to win the division. We might even go back to the Super Bowl during one of these "down" years, because we have Patrick ****ing Mahomes.

If you're going to go all in, do it the right way. Do it with a mixture of young vibrant talent and key vet signings, and make strategic moves that actually push you over the top instead of just catch up to the moves your competitors make.

You can't go all in every year eventually you have to pay up. We happened to land a boat loaf of picks and cap space doing so. We wouldn't have that luxury in the future.

The young talent we’ve added the past two offseason have made a huge impact. We have more and better draft capital than we did in those years as well.

CEH, Gay, Sneed, Bolton, Humphrey, and Bolton have all been big time contributors.

I wouldn’t be shocked if we added 2-3 more immediate impact players in this draft with a few more that take a couple seasons to develop.

Acting like draft picks need 3+ years to provide an impact just isn’t true. Especially, when you have QB set.

Mahomes is for sure that QB that will play into his mid to late 30s....easy.

Bukkake on O.City!

Here’s some perspective, Mahomes is 8 years young than Wilson…

And we could have done that. It's only after people noticed we weren't going to be active in FA and we traded Tyreek that this whole rebuild narrative set in. Before that, we were sure we could compete while still keeping the roster young and future bright.

I mean, we celebrated Mahomes contract structure because it meant we could go all in basically every year. What happened to that?

Aaaaaand more crying from King Pussy about Tyreek Hill

He’s playing into his 40’s. You’ll see a lot of players do that

The Chiefs are going to prioritize addressing WR and DL in the draft.

CB is not really as much of a pressing need as some people are crying about. Veach has never acquired high priced/highly drafted CB’s and the Chiefs starting CB’s are set with Fenton/Sneed. They just need a nickel CB/depth which can be addressed in the middle rounds of the draft.

It's a deep draft at CB too. For whatever reason Veach has a hawk eye for CB's. Ward, Sneed, Fenton, Huges, they were all at the bottom looking up before Veach gave them a shot. Tremendous.

I don't think Fenton is outside though, he's best at slot. We need another outside corner and I'm positive we'll draft one in the first three rounds.

Look, if you keep Tyreek Hill on a huge contract, then you legitimately have a "super bowl window." And that window closes the moment that Tyreek isn't as effective while also being cost-prohibitive to improving the team. That's how it works.

Trading tyreek hill didn't "close the window." It blew the ****ing wall down, and now the team can be constructed in whatever fashion makes the most sense. There is no "window" anymore. there is omnidirectional possibility. they can STILL pay $30M a year for an all pro WR. That's not off the table.

What is on the table now is having no positional weakness anywhere on the team. The cap will go up, KC's committed spend will go down, and meanwhile the other AFC (and specifically West) teams are loading up, cementing their windows.

This team is set up tremendously for future success. Overpaying Hill would have absolutely locked this team into a 2 year window - at best.

now, it's wide open. Never have a window, I say. Get out before those third contracts lock you in.

I think I just typed "window" more than I have in three years.

I mean....have you looked at the roster?

Russ will be playing into his 50'$

at first I thought you were attempting to write 50Cent

Hence 6 picks in the top 100ish and all the extra cap space going forward…

I think the Chiefs want Bradberry but obviously don’t want to pay him what comes with that.

I think the Chiefs are waiting for him to be cut

Have you looked at the calendar

Not true. Many were watching our approach in FA and presuming it was exactly to set up what the Chiefs are doing now; re-tooling the cap. The presumption was that this would be a 'glide' year where we try to get by with a super-thin roster and star power while getting the cap set up for next season.

And all that's changed is that we've traded some star power for depth. This is not a rebuild. It doesn't look anything like a re-build. It's a philosophical shift where we've also helped get our books straight for the future.

I mean - maybe you did. And if you did, you simply fundamentally misunderstood how the cap works. No contract, no structure, apart from simply not paying someone anywhere near their market value (i.e. rookie deals), allows for 'all-in' every year.

We could've pushed the pain off another year, maybe two. But restructuring Mahomes was going to continue to pile on snow until the avalanche triggered.

I mean sure, great. There might be some post june 1st vets that are worth a shit... mebbe we get clowney or someone.

I've just seen no indication that we are in that mode, we haven't been aggressive in the FA market, nor do I see the draft as a cure all. We have a lot of picks, yes... but how many impact rookies are in this class? 14? 15?

I don't think Veach is playing 4D chess, I think they are going to take their lumps early one way or another.


Mabbe we look back and say that the pain was worth it... maybe we say that was a wasted year or Pat's prime.

I think you're the one crying. You don't have to read my posts ya know.

Btw, the biggest free agency move the chiefs have made is trade their 2nd best player. I think that and it's impact will be talked about a lot in terms of impact to the team and future moves. Might want to leave the free agency thread if you don't want to see it.

There’s a chance we look back at those first four or so years as the golden years and it just never gets back to that level. That’s why ideally you stack another super bowl win on it.

It’s ****ing hard guys. They aren’t gonna have a “stacked roster with no holes”. That doesn’t happen in the nfl.

Maybe they hit on these draft picks and take off. More likely than not a few hit, a few bust because that’s the way the league goes.

I’m just not into this “take a year to retool” stuff. The league changes so much year too year, there’s no “do it the right way for the long haul”. It’s to quick and violent of a game, guys break down or don’t develop etc.

The biggest thing now is the flexibility. They have that. In my opinion that’s bigger than the picks. Or atleast it adds to the picks.

Once Mahomes signed the deal there was gonna come a time where he’s gonna have to do it with young draft picks or cheap vets. You want the big money, the star skill guys and a good defense? Sorry not possible.

Well, here we are. No more vapor locks in the fourth quarter of the afc champ game that we excuse away for whatever reason.

It’s exciting and scary

He’s also now making a percent of the cap that I do t think has led to a super bowl. I think. Maybe wrong on that.

RIP Mahomes Era

Greed is the deed, you do to yourself

Man..we may back ass into the playoffs once or so the next decade now. Damn it!

It can be done again next year if we trade Chris Jones next offseason.

You bet it will be talked about a lot, especially when the Chiefs go back to the AFCCG and the Dolphins don't make the playoffs. Again.

Every team has to pay their QB. In fact, most teams will overpay their average QBs. The Chiefs are in the driver's seat in this insane cap era because they are paying the greatest QB in the NFL below market average and have him under contract for the next 9 years. Our window is the next decade.
Bert needs to be savvy on how he allocates the rest of the money which I'm sure he will.

I don’t know what Veach will do in this draft, but I have a strong feeling that all of our guesses will be way off. And whatever we do will make a lot of sense once it happens.

Williams is by far the best WR in this draft per Chris Sims. I believe it. Also...

I don't know what their grading system is but the Chiefs have lost a historical amount of talent on offense, per Football Outsiders.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...alent-turnover

Go get him.

Feels like a throw away year then spend the big money we will have in 2023.

Hopefully that happens. No matter what, with Mahomes, anything is possible. But IMO we made his job unnecessarily harder. Hope I'm wrong and we hit the ground running with the new core whoever it is.

I hate it if they're gonna do that

I didn't like the Tyreek Hill trade either but I am willing to wait and see what else we add.

A trade for a Cooks or Lockett would help.

If Juju is our #1 WR going into the season I will be very annoyed.

Then you might as well get annoyed now…

Well, we didn't get it done with Hill. The 'stars and scrubs' thing got us one trophy in two tries. It's been lesser returns each season. We weren't gonna run it back this year, I mean, the team had shown that it is what it is. Time to reshuffle the deck.

yeah, it's scary. But you know, we've got Andy Reid, who never has a shit offense. We've got Veach, who's improved each offseason. And we have Mahomes. I like our chances.

And not just like...you know, in the future. I absolutely expect to contend in 2022.

Cooks already got a new deal from Houston. Cross him off your list.

And we aren't trading for Lockett.

You're acting like Juju is ****ing Drob or something.

We're not in nearly as bad a shape as some of you are making out.

and trading for another veteran receiver that's wanting top dollar would be negating any value in trading Hill. I mean why do that if we're just going to pay Cooks or Lockett?

it's gonna be okay, man. Let's just see what shakes out over the next month or so.

but the offense is going to look different. Just get that in your head. It's going to be different.

Doesn't mean it'll be worse. Reid never has shitty offenses. But it will be different.

It was lesser returns because 2020 we didn't get better and thought that "run it back" with the same players was a good approach.

And its so disingenuous to pretend that is not winning was because of a bad roster and not because of Mahomes playing like shit or because of Eric Fisher tearing his Achilles 1 game before the superbowl causing us to shuffle and **** up the line.

We could have absolutely kept competing if we focused on the defense in FA and in the draft. Because all we needed on offense was a WRs and Juju and his bargain basement deal would have worked for us.

Holy shit dude, not only hasn’t the season started yet.... we haven’t even made it to the draft yet. Pipe down.

Annoyed about JuJU but wants to trade for the guy with a billion concussions.

Well, Veach said we have big needs at DE and CB. We have done what there? Nothing. Our division has loaded up and we have not. I realize the draft is coming but we can't just play rookies and expect the impossible.

Go back and listen to what Brent Voigt said when he extended Patrick. He said then that he understood how it was gonna affect the cap, and he knew and had a plan for how to handle the contract of Patrick ( the greatest player this league has ever seen) Mahomes, and keeping the roster fresh to continue to be competing for championships. We have the best quarterback in the league, a top 2 coach in the league, a great young OL who’s mostly playing on rookie contracts, and a HOF TE, and that’s just the core. Andy has made a living off making playoffs and winning games with the likes of Kolb, Alex Smith, and McNabb. He has the best weapon at quarterback he’s ever had. This offense is gonna be very different this season, and all the tricks and schemes that worked well against our offense isn’t gonna work anymore. We’re gonna have teams on their heels coming out of the gate, cuz for the last 3 years they knew what to expect, and they drafted and signed players to stop this players and that offense. They’re not ready for what’s about to be unleashed, and it’s gonna be ****ing glorious!!

Rookies? Have you seen the production from our first year drafted starters the last 7 years?

I am confident that Jameson Williams is our #1 next season. Say what you want about lack of production from KC WRs in their rookie season. The guy is special.

I understand that. We're still looking toward a reset season. Our team will be extremely young and will likely be making a lot of rookie mistakes so I'm not going to have my expectations too high. That doesn't mean that they won't be good or that this year will be a waste. Just that we should expect growing pains.

I hear ya buy we need pass rush. Unlikely where sit we get an impact guy. Maybe trade up but right now our roster is lacking bad.

It will put the bunny in the briar patch and some stink on those eggs

Way too many Veach and Reid apologists here. No doubt this team is in the most competitive era it has been in under this regime, but they are not without their warts. The Britt Reid fiasco cost them a second consecutive Super Bowl in my opinion, and that second half of the Bengals game was pure meltdown. The Frank Clark deal along with the Edwards-Helaire selection are not looking good years later and the voids on the defense currently with no veteran presence at certain levels of the defence are very concerning. The draft won’t solve all issues for this team and I am shocked Veach has not done more to at least insulate some positions with veteran additions. I hope there are no desperation moves ahead burning draft capital to get a big ticket name that robs the team of future cap management and the ability to replenish. One would feel better about such a move if the overall depth of the team was better, but there are so many needs right now.

What is there to apologize for?

This fan base has become ridiculously entitled and unrealistic.

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Also a lot of idiots like yourself.

You are missing my point. The same posters who claim Veach/Reid walk on water are the same ones who scream for heads to roll on Sundays when things don’t go the Chiefs way.
Of course I’m pleased with the winning culture that has been established, but that does not mean organizational decisions and coaching cannot come under scrutiny.
This current version of the Chiefs could arguably have appeared in the last four Superbowls but it only won one. The Hill trade is also a sign not everything is as peachy keen as fans would like to believe. Apparently Hill’s price tag was not prohibitive to KC but he left a winning culture and elite QB to go to Miami? It will be interesting to see the approach the remainder of the offseason. Questioning decisions and losses in clutch moments doesn't make me less of a fan. Blindly drinking the kool aid has never ended well for any fanbase either.

Great reply

I actually don't have a problem with our free agency obviously other than a big problem with the Tyreek trade. I like the Reid signing and really liked signing Juju as a #2.

I'm hoping we trade for a DE or something because if not that means Frank Clark is going to be a starter again which is just flat out terrible. But I think we make a trade for a DE or CB because otherwise restructuring Thuney makes no sense and as good of a drafter as Veach is, finding a starting DE, CB, and WR in the same draft is an impossible task.

Ma boy thicc

Easy to find things to armchair. If we don’t trade for Clark we may have no SB wins in this era.

I can't blame Veach when Mahomes flat out blows the game. As for the TB loss in the SB, we had 4 starters out on the OL and TB was fully healthy. Veach turned that horrible OL into one of the best units in ONE OFFSEASON. Veach did a great job, so did Andy, Mahomes blew it. With that said, Mahomes saved us against BUF so I can't really be mad at him either. We just couldn't get it done.

When you lose like that a message needs to be sent to the team. No more Tyran, Tyreek, Robinson, Pringle, or Williams. That's a strong message. Hats off to Veach again. Now watch him go kill this draft.

I don't believe that's accurate

There's a bizarre group who think Veach is absolutely beyond reproach and that any questioning of any decision is sacrilege. However, I think the fairest argument they use is the one that says "you have to wait to see how things pan out, and you have to take all decisions together, not in isolation". I think as an overall assessment of Veach that's the correct approach.

But it does get silly when people can't accept any mistakes have been made. I mean, all GMs make mistakes. If someone is saying he flat out sucks, then fine, that's silly. If someone is saying "I don't think CEH was a good pick" or "Frank Clark's contract was a mistake" or "I'm not 100% convinced the Hill trade will work out" - it is odd how personally some people seem to take this, they're hardly indefensible positions to take.

In terms of this FA it's obviously slower than last year's. A lot of people liked his decisiveness last year and now apparently think a slower/"build it through the draft" approach is right. I think that's actually reasonable, simply because this FA I've not seen a whole load of realistic options out there for us. There's no-one that's been brought in that I'm that excited about, but equally I could see all of them work out. But I also agree, at this point there's a lot of holes and we've definitely not used FA to fill ALL needs. Thank God we have a million draft picks.

Knowmo knows his nitch

Sure the decisions can be scrutinized; but along with context should come proportional response.

The people who want to fire everybody because a draft pick didn't work out are not offering thoughtful criticism. The people who want to fire Andy Reid for any of his shortcomings are not offering thoughtful criticism because ALL coaches have shortcomings and there's literally not a better coach in football for Patrick Mahomes-so maybe people should cool their jets.

This team, as it was constructed, was in a phase of diminishing returns.

I was shocked we traded Hill. After looking at the numbers, and looking at the haul of picks, I get it, and I'm on board with the idea of a new phase. We're zigging while everyone else zags in an attempt to catch up to where we WERE. Only the people inside Arrowhead know what we will BE in September. It's going to look different.

I'm excited. I have theories, as do you all I'm sure about what we're doing, but I can't wait to see it for myself.

We have Mahomes and Reid. Of course it will be OK.

But OK isn't the standard anymore. I want another championship.

I'm not writing off the offense yet. But I am very nervous. As of now we are too easy to defend.

I want one of Burks/Olave and a Shakir added in the draft if we don't trade for a vet.

We can't afford another Mecole with our highest pick this year if we want to win the Superbowl.

When I say it will be OK, I mean that I fully expect Veach and Reid to put a contender on the field. I fully appreciate that THAT is the standard now.

The offense is too easy to defend? I would argue that. I would argue that it BECAME too easy to defend LAST season. Hill averaged what, like 11 ypc? That negates him, really. If I can do that as a defense playing KC, I'm real pleased with myself.

Other than Hill's otherwordly ability to track a deep ball, Hardman can do many of the things Hill could do. All of the jet sweep stuff, WR screen stuff-Hardman can threaten a defense in the same way. We've added MVS, who is a big, fast deep threat that you have to account for. We've added Juju, a physical YAC machine who must be accounted for. And we still have Kelce. If we actually run the ball enough to be a threat there, this offense as it stands can threaten every blade of grass-and there's NO WAY Veach and Reid are done yet. I'm excited, but I'm unconcerned. It's entirely possible that this offense may be more EFFICIENT if less EXPLOSIVE. Although last season, it was often NEITHER for long stretches.

And as I said, I fully expect at least one if not two WR's in the draft. Only MVS is on the roster for '23. That tells me that Veach is targeting guys in this draft.

We have EIGHT picks in the first four rounds. EIGHT shots in the chamber to restock the talent on this team. I think this is going to be a LOT of fun.