Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821324)

Of course not.

The smaller, slower, less effective passer and runner was a much better fit for the offense, such as it was.

And remember, Nebraska missed a chance at a BCS game because of a game they lost by one ****ing point when their QB went 6 of 19 with THREE interceptions and a 17 passer rating.

He's right, Gabbert wouldn't have made a difference for them last season...

Idiot.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821326)

Dj'sdumbass knows more then Rivals.com

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recrui...bJNz1Ecm3wOrF_



4 starsZac Lee
Dual-threat quarterback
San Francisco, California
Class: 2007
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 200 lbs

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6821334)

Billay, you are just throwing things out at hoping it sticks at this point. Might as well take a seat with this one.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821337)

Oh, well if Rivals calls the guy with 170 rushing yards over the entire season a Dual Threat QB, it must be true.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821339)

I never said Lee was better than Gabbert. I simply asked what games would Gabbert have won that Lee didn't. Dj's dumbass said Texas and I listed facts. Gabbert with a better offense only scored 7 points vs Texas.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821336)

How many points did Gabbert score vs Texas with a better offense?

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6821342)

They would have won 3 more games.

NU would have beat VT. They would have beat ISU, and they would have beat Texas. Other than that, Zac Lee was the man.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821344)

You honestly think Gabbert wouldn't have played better that night than Lee did?

For what it's worth, while hobbled, the kid had a 50% completion percentage, threw a TD and threw 0 picks for a QB rating almost 100 pts higher than your boy.

You know it's true. You guys go to a BCS game last season had Pinkel not stolen your QB.

I don't expect you to admit it because you're a homer. But you still look like a damn reerun for arguing otherwise.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821339)

I never said Lee was better than Gabbert. I simply asked what games would Gabbert have won that Lee didn't. Dj's dumbass said Texas and I listed facts. Gabbert with a better offense only scored 7 points vs Texas.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6821108)

Bill Self: "No disrespect to those schools, but (the league) got better."

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821341)

Dj'sdumbass knows more about Zac Lee then Rivals. Amazing.

Originally Posted by Scouting report on Ryan Leaf (Post 6821341)

Sunday, April 5th 1998, 2:04AM

DREW BLEDSOE was the last quarterback taken first overall in the NFL draft. That was five years ago. Brett Favre is the only quarterback drafted in the '90s to win the Super Bowl. And he didn't even do it for the team that picked him.

The '90s has not been The Decade of The Quarterback.

Tennessee's Peyton Manning and Washington State's Ryan Leaf have a chance to change that. They will go 1-2, or 2-1, in the April 18 draft to the Colts and Chargers, two bad teams.

So who is better? Manning vs. Leaf is the hot debate of this year's draft.

In the last three weeks, the Daily News polled a coach, GM or personnel director from 25 teams. The question: If you had the first pick, would you take Manning or Leaf? An overwhelming 20 said they would take Manning, three went for Leaf and two declined to give an opinion.

"If there is a more impressive guy in the country than Peyton Manning, I would be shocked," Bucs coach Tony Dungy said.

Bills GM John Butler would take Leaf. "He takes some hits and can buy extra time with his exceptional strength," he said. "He can look off people and get it done. You like the big, strong guys. It's a tough game where you take a lot of punishment."

Some of those picking Manning said they were just more familiar with him than Leaf. The bottom line: Manning may be the best-prepared quarterback to ever come into the NFL. He absorbed football through his father, Archie, and has a coach's understanding of the game. He's the safe pick with big-game experience and has a better chance to have success right away than Leaf.

Leaf is more physically imposing with a better arm; he's unshakable in the pocket, an aggressive, confident player who may have more long-term upside than Manning. Both, though, could be starters as rookies.

"It's probably a situation where you can't go wrong with either guy," said Steelers personnel director Tom Donahoe, who would take Manning. "They both look like quarterbacks you can build a team around."

But only the Colts have to figure it out. They conducted workouts last week with Manning and Leaf and now have 13 days to make their decision. "I like them both," new Colts coach Jim Mora said. "They are both going to be good players in the NFL."

Mora, the former Saints coach, has a connection to the Manning family. Archie Manning was a Saints radio announcer during Mora's years in New Orleans and Peyton Manning used to visit training camp and throw the ball around when he was a kid.

Meanwhile, Colts president Bill Polian, who inherited Jim Kelly in Buffalo and drafted Kerry Collins in Carolina, has had success with the big, strong QBs, and that's Leaf. Neither Mora nor Polian, however, have said which QB they will take. They might not even know yet.

Chargers GM Bobby Beathard, who paid a big price to move up from third to second to insure getting Manning or Leaf, said he'll be happy with whoever the Colts leave for him.

A year ago, Manning passed up the opportunity to become the foundation of Bill Parcells' rebuilding job with the Jets. Now he could wind up in Indianapolis, which lost its first 10 games last year before finishing 3-13.

The Chargers lost their last eight games and finished 4-12.

Of course, having the right quarterback in place can expedite any rebuilding.

In 1989, Troy Aikman was the first pick overall by the woebegone Cowboys, who went 1-15 that season. But by Aikman's fourth season, he helped start a streak of three Super Bowl titles in four years.

Bledsoe and Rick Mirer, in 1993, were the last QBs to go 1-2 in the draft the first time quarterbacks were the first two picks since 1971, when Jim Plunkett went to the Patriots and then Archie Manning to the Saints. Bledsoe has been to the Super Bowl; Mirer has been a bust.

"(Leaf) has some remarkable talents," said Bledsoe, who also played at Washington State. "He's probably not as polished as Peyton at this point. At the same time, give him a couple of years in the league, and he will do some special things."

Leaf and Manning are both 6-5. Leaf surprised NFL people when he checked in at a hefty 261 pounds at the scouting combine in February, one month after playing in the Rose Bowl. But in his recent workouts he's been at 244, right around his playing weight. Manning is 230.

Manning is a cerebral, Bernie Kosar-like QB, yet more athletic than the former Browns star. Manning does not have the arm strength of Leaf, but is more accurate. Leaf is an absolute rock; his toughness has been compared with Jim Kelly. Manning has more experience: Including bowl games, he threw 1,505 passes in college. Leaf, who gave up his last year of eligibility, threw 880.

"I've studied them quite a bit. I would take Peyton," Vikings coach Dennis Green said. "I think he brings a great knowledge of the game . . . he brings the whole package."

Seahawks coach Dennis Erickson, whose family is friends with Leaf, says, "I think he will be a great player in the NFL and one of the future stars in the league."

Manning or Leaf? The Colts will soon answer that question. But it will take until the next century to find out if they were right.


Joel Buchsbaum, draft expert and the author of Pro Football Weekly's 1998 Draft Preview, compares Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf:

Accuracy: Manning

Arm strength, velocity: Leaf

Leadership, huddle command: Manning

Learning ability: Even

Mobility, ability to escape the rush, ability to run for positive yards, and to throw with tacklers on him: Leaf

Setup quickness, release quickness, footwork and technique: Manning

Size and stature: Leaf

Timing, touch: Manning

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821346)

ROFL so Gabberts excuse for not doing shit was a bad ankle but Zac Lees torn elbow didn't mean anything?

This is hilarious. BTW did you even watch the Nebraska/Texas game?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821347)

Gabbert on 1 leg and in 2 quarters scored a TD and threw no picks.

If Lee would've done the same, Nebraska wins that game in a walk.

Instead Lee completed nearly as many passes to Texas DBs as he did Nub pass-catchers...and y'all lost by 1 point.

There's not a Nub fan in this thread that's going to come to your aid here. Your only hope is that KnowMo suddenly becomes a Husker fan and will show up with some mindless homer juice to back you up.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821357)

He threw 3 picks and 0 TDs.

He was abysmal. He had a worse game than Gabbert had at any point all season.

And again - Gabbert didn't need an excuse. His 'not doing shit' was one hell of a lot better than Lee's 'doing a whole lot of damage to his own squad'. You don't need an excuse when you win the competition. There's simply no comparison between Gabbert and Lee. Gabbert didn't have a game at any point throughout the season that was anywhere near as bad as the game Lee played against Texas. In fact, he played a better game against Texas than Lee did.

Lee killed his team. Absolutely destroyed it in that game.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821357)

He threw 3 picks and 0 TDs.

He was abysmal. He had a worse game than Gabbert had at any point all season.

And again - Gabbert didn't need an excuse. His 'not doing shit' was one hell of a lot better than Lee's 'doing a whole lot of damage to his own squad'. You don't need an excuse when you win the competition. There's simply no comparison between Gabbert and Lee. Gabbert didn't have a game at any point throughout the season that was anywhere near as bad as the game Lee played against Texas. In fact, he played a better game against Texas than Lee did.

Lee killed his team. Absolutely destroyed it in that game.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821358)

Do you speak English? If you think the loss to Texas was all Lee's fault you're an idiot. Sure Lee played bad but so did the offense as a whole. Even so he was able to put together a drive to get Nebraska ahead with 2 minutes left.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821364)

I already said Gabbert was a better QB. I also said the only game he would have made a difference was the Va Tech game.

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6821366)

Let's just say Zac Lee isn't a perfect fit for what Nebraska is trying to run.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821358)

Do you speak English? If you think the loss to Texas was all Lee's fault you're an idiot. Sure Lee played bad but so did the offense as a whole. Even so he was able to put together a drive to get Nebraska ahead with 2 minutes left.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6821365)

All Lee's fault? No

Would have won with the most physically gifted QB in the country? Yes

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821361)

Ok so you admit you didn't watch the game.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821372)

I disagree Saul. The Wr's were not getting open and they didn't run the ball worth a shit. Sure Lee played bad but like I said he was able to drive the team down to get the go ahead field goal.

It's a tough argument to make unless you actually watched Nebraska games. Nebraska had nowhere the talented WR's that Mizzou did. And the o-line was inconsistant throughout the year. Gabber wouldn't have put up the same numbers at Nebraska.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821371)

I never said it was all Lee's fault.

You asked what game the Husker's would've won with Gabbert at QB that they lost with Lee.

They'd have won that game with Gabbert. Does that mean the L was on Lee? No, not precisely. But it means that had Gabbert played his worst game of the season on that night, the Huskers still win it.

But before we get too far off base, I need to summarize your recent arguments for the record:

1) That despite the fact that Gabbert is stronger, faster, and ran for more yards than Lee (while injured, no less), Lee is in fact a dual threat QB while Gabbert is evidently a statue.

2) That despite the fact that Lee threw 3 picks, no TDs and completed 6 of 18 passes for a whopping 30 yards, Nebraska couldn't have managed to put an extra 2 points on the board with a QB that never had a game anywhere approaching the game that Lee put up and, in fact, threw for a TD with no picks against the same team.

Sound about right?

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821378)

What I am saying is Gabbert is a pocket passing QB. He wouldn't have been nearly as productive at Nebraska with Nebraska's inconsistant o-line, banged up Rb's, and talentless WR's.

How does Gabbert get the Huskers more offense if the WR's couldn't get off the LOS?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6821368)

You don't think Gabbert would have helped you in your 7-9 loss to the mighty Cyclones?

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821383)

You mean the one where he threw 3 picks, including one at the ISU 1 yard line?

That loss to the mighty Cyclones?

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821378)

What I am saying is Gabbert is a pocket passing QB. He wouldn't have been nearly as productive at Nebraska with Nebraska's inconsistant o-line, banged up Rb's, and talentless WR's.

How does Gabbert get the Huskers more offense if the WR's couldn't get off the LOS?

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6821366)

Let's just say Zac Lee isn't a perfect fit for what Nebraska is trying to run.

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6821390)

Nebraska might have played for the national championship if Blaine Gabbert were the quarterback.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821345)

ROFL Gabbert would have made Helu's shoulder healthy and the Nebraska offense wouldn't have fumbled it 5 times in the red zone?

And Gabbert only scored 7 points with a better offense vs Texas.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821391)

Lee is a bad QB. The Tigers have 3 guys on their roster now that would start over him at NEB.

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6821390)

Nebraska might have played for the national championship if Blaine Gabbert were the quarterback.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821391)

What you're saying is ****ing wrong.

Gabbert is an excellent running QB. Watch the Illinois game. Watch the Kansas Game.

Hell, take a look at the Iowa game when he 337 yards, 2 TDs, no picks and ran for 51 yards. (Lee ran for 6, BTW).

You're just wrong, flat ass wrong.

As for "His WR's couldn't get off the LOS" - now who's the one making excuses for our princess? Lee is a bad QB. The Tigers have 3 guys on their roster now that would start over him at NEB.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821401)

You listed two slow ass defenses. Lee ran pretty well aginst Kansas too.

So you are denying the Nebraska WR's were not getting jammed at the line by Texas? Not making excuses just listing facts. Your QB isn't going to be successful when the WR's aren't open.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821393)

He's going to be the starter next year and he'll be improved too.

Originally Posted by UCFGoldenKnight (Post 6821397)

Man.. you really are an idiot...

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 6821403)

I mean, you're arguing Sac Lee is a better college QB than a Carson Palmer prototype.

Just, no. No...don't do it.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821406)

Wait a second.... When we debate people ask to provide facts.

Did Gabbert score more then 7 points vs Texas?

In the Iowa State game did Helu not fumble a few times because of an injured shoulder?

It wasn't Lee's fault on 2 of those INT's that game either.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6821412)

The guy threw 3 freaking INTs against ISU and managed to put 6 points on the board while losing by 2 points. You don't think that Gabbert would have won that game.

The guy threw for 30 yards and 3 INTs against Texas while losing by 1 point. You don't think Gabbert would have won that game.

There's your facts. The prosecution rests.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821401)

You listed two slow ass defenses. Lee ran pretty well aginst Kansas too.

So you are denying the Nebraska WR's were not getting jammed at the line by Texas? Not making excuses just listing facts. Your QB isn't going to be successful when the WR's aren't open.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821415)

You didn't watch the ISU game. Two of the INT's weren't Lee's fault, You also failed to mention in the ISU game Lee and the Nebraska moved the ball the whole game. It wasn't his fault they fumbled 5 times in the Red Zone. And no Gabbert wouldn't have won the game vs Texas either. The Nebraska offense didn't have a chance vs that defense.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821415)

You didn't watch the ISU game. Two of the INT's weren't Lee's fault, You also failed to mention in the ISU game Lee and the Nebraska moved the ball the whole game. It wasn't his fault they fumbled 5 times in the Red Zone. And no Gabbert wouldn't have won the game vs Texas either. The Nebraska offense didn't have a chance vs that defense.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6821429)

Suh wouldn't have helped the Tigers win any more games.

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821393)

He's going to be the starter next year and he'll be improved too.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6821438)

Lee is not a high-quality QB. Even if he improves, he'll still suck.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6821441)

Ok, so...presser tomorrow? Any additional rumors about adding a team or two, or are we cool with 10?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6821441)

Ok, so...presser tomorrow? Any additional rumors about adding a team or two, or are we cool with 10?

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6821445)

lol, and the true Husker fan finally reveals itself.

Man, I won't miss that.

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6821450)

i never realized that billay was dumb

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6821341)

Dj'sdumbass knows more about Zac Lee then Rivals. Amazing.

Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 6821446)

I'm great with 10. In a bizarre way, the conference may have just gotten stronger.

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 6821451)

The best part of Kneebraska to Big 10?

Instead of being #2 to Texas they are #4-5 to Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State in football LMAO

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 6821456)

I know, the other 9K+ posts he had offered so much insight and knowledge.

And to think he'd just go and throw away his CP cred in one evening like this. Such a shame.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6821441)

Ok, so...presser tomorrow? Any additional rumors about adding a team or two, or are we cool with 10?

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6821468)

Is my sarcasm meter broken?

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 6821451)

The best part of Kneebraska to Big 10?

Instead of being #2 to Texas they are #4-5 to Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State in football LMAO

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6821469)

I'm not. I actually liked the divisional format.

I really really want Louisville (love the MCBB possibilities) and would love to see Cincy brought in as well.

Throw them both in the North and lets kick this pig.

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 6821218)

that contract is ancient these days, and will be multiplied by about a factor of 2 or 2.5 next time around. split 10 ways instead of 12.

In a year or two, even Baylor will likely earn more than Nebraska until the Huskers are gradually phased into a full share.

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6821462)

Ya think? It eliminates the possibility of a 2007 ku fluke type run. In basketball, it shed the 2 worst teams in the conference.

Originally Posted by BWillie007 (Post 6821484)

Yeah cuz you know how flukes lose their BCS bowls...oh wait...

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 6821451)

The best part of Kneebraska to Big 10?

Instead of being #2 to Texas they are #4-5 to Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Ohio State and Penn State in football LMAO

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6821480)

My thoughts as well.

I'm partial to TCU b/c it's stronger academically than either of the two you list. Cinci and Louisville aren't Memphis-bad, but they're not good, either. I'm leery, however, of continuing to feed the Texas monster, thus yielding even more money for the imminent Texas Network.

But maybe this shouldn't be much of a worry.

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6821490)

I don't know. I'm pretty excited to see the Blackshirts face those offenses.