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'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2014 10:51 PM

Lazy effort by Wong there.

kcpasco 10-04-2014 10:51 PM

Baseball is a funny game. Neshek was nails for 5 months of the season and Martinez was mediocre at best. But now Neshek sucks balls and Martinez is throwing good.

BigRedChief 10-04-2014 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10980929)
Neshek did have the best FIP on the Cardinals this year. Perhaps he's just running out of steam.

He's done. His september was awful. The last few weeks were bad.

O.city 10-04-2014 10:53 PM

Damn it. Had a chance to sneak out of there with 2 wins against the best they've got.

Now gotta beat Ryu (we never do) at home.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2014 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10980929)
Neshek did have the best FIP on the Cardinals this year. Perhaps he's just running out of steam.

That's still luck-based. His xFIP was worse than Maness', and he has been a turd for a month now.

He has always been Pat Neshek. There was no reason for Matheny to think he was anything else after September.

KC_Connection 10-04-2014 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10980936)
He's done. His september was awful. The last few weeks were bad.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=16,a

Yep, looks like Martinez was the choice.

The Franchise 10-04-2014 10:54 PM

For the love of God.....finish this shit now.

O.city 10-04-2014 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10980939)
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=16,a

Yep, looks like Martinez was the choice.

Just a personal opinion thing, but in October, I'd always go with the power arm vs a finesse guy.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2014 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10980933)
Baseball is a funny game. Neshek was nails for 5 months of the season and Martinez was mediocre at best. But now Neshek sucks balls and Martinez is throwing good.

Any shitty reliever (Jim Johnson) can pitch out of their mind for a year while they ride batted ball luck. A good manager should be able to realize that kind of performance is not sustainable and shouldn't be trusted.

BigRedChief 10-04-2014 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10980939)
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...rs=0&sort=16,a

Yep, looks like Martinez was the choice.

Alot of us think Martinez should be closing. Rosenthal has had few clean innings this year especially after the All-Star break.

Mr. Flopnuts 10-04-2014 10:56 PM

You don't have to be lonely, at Farmer's only dot com!

kcxiv 10-04-2014 10:56 PM

Kenley's cutter is nice right now.

'Hamas' Jenkins 10-04-2014 10:56 PM

We could have six outs this inning and probably still wouldn't score on Jansen. He owns us.

kcpasco 10-04-2014 10:56 PM

Do you really feel that Martinez couldn't implode?

KC_Connection 10-04-2014 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10980938)
That's still luck-based. His xFIP was worse than Maness', and he has been a turd for a month now.

He has always been Pat Neshek. There was no reason for Matheny to think he was anything else after September.

Unlike Neshek, both Martinez and Maness keep the ball on the ground a lot more as well. Helps with their lower xFIP totals.


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