Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9279496)

and dorsey comes from a franchise that absolutely values drafting QBs....

in some ways, this is as big as the reid hiring...

Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 9279528)

That's why I was LMAOing at anyone who argued that Clark wanted to keep him around because he was saving/making him money...

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9279629)

Chiefs bag Reid and Dorsey while the Chargers are...doing what?

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9279568)

*COUGH* LAZ *COUGH*

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 9279629)

Chiefs bag Reid and Dorsey while the Chargers are...doing what?

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9279648)

According to Petro, left wondering what the **** happened and why their ownership did nothing to try to hire the obvious choice for them.

In other words, acting like yesteryear's Chiefs fans.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9279655)

Reid and Dorsey together?

When do they bust out the hidden cameras and tell us that it was all a joke?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9279445)

Trade our original pick.

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9279722)

Originally Posted by GoWalrus (Post 9279722)

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9281015)

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring both Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9281015)

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring both Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9281015)

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring both Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281046)

Yowza, lets get that done.


Although, I'd really just take Dorsey.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9281070)

Heckert did a decent job in Cleveland. If we can somehow land BOTH of these guys, holy ****ing shit. This is better than getting the old band back together. This is a ****ing super front office/scouting team he's trying to put together.

Just the fact that he's attempting this tells me that Andy Reid is ****ing hungry to finish what he started in Philly.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9281015)

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring both Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9281273)

Congrats on hiring Andy Reid. He'll improve the Chiefs.

Andy Reid runs some pretty tough training camps, so the players better be ready. In fact, some that cover the team think they are too tough at times. The Eagles tend to start off slow and people theorized it was his training camps that were the cause. But the Eagles usually finished strong under him, so they were battle tested.

Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9281273)

Andy Reid runs some pretty tough training camps, so the players better be ready. In fact, some that cover the team think they are too tough at times.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9281284)

Todd Haley laughs at the notion of tough training camps.

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts (Post 9281015)

Ian Rapoport‏@RapSheet

Landed in LA, this may be out there: Hearing Andy Reid is telling people he hopes to bring both Tom Heckert & Packers exec John Dorsey to KC

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9276772)

Here's the latest info I received:

-They have to figure out how they are going about terminating Pioli. As many reported earlier today, Pioli has final say in all football operations written into his contract. Clark can't break that deal. They are trying to negotiate a buyout and let him go wherever he wants, but obviously Pioli wants all of the money. He did get a 2 year extension earlier around the time I got the info that the extension was happening.

-Tom Heckert is in demand and Andy may just elect to either wait for the Packers to be out (may be waiting a while) or he could entertain Ray Farmer in the role. There's some connection between Farmer and Reid that I can't link but they say they have a fondness for each other.

-Doug Pederson as QB coach, Castillo at OL, Bobby April as ST coach. Haven't heard a thing about RB or WR. He likely will bring Melvin the TE coach too. The only coach that has a chance to stick is Otis Smith as secondary coach, but that will be determined by DC. As I said earlier the Kiffin smoke was quickly put out, Ray Horton would be ideal, but they aren't going to wait around on him either to see if he gets another job. Dick Jauron is the new flavor of the hour as a guy linked to the DC job with Reid.

-Reid is going to completely overhaul the organization. He's bringing in his guys in every facet. Scouts, equipment managers, trainers, strength people. All will be Reid's guys.

-Shurmur or Childress will be O-coordinator. Varying opinions on who it would be. Me personally, I think Childress is it.

-Reid wants a 5 year deal. Chiefs, in standard fashion, offered 3. They'll get to 5 years around 38 mill when it's all said and done.

-Clark Hunt has done a masterful job taking back control of his franchise over that ****ing weasel Pioli.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281537)

I'm just bumping this post to update it. Source ****ing killed it on this info. There's more steam picking up with Kiffin though. Lots of writers are mentioning him now as well.

Ray Farmer is not under consideration for any role. Dorsey is going to be the GM (he has to be to make the move), Heckert will be director of pro personnel. There will also be a cap guru brought in. Eagle teams always have a lot of cap space but they spend.

Reason this wasn't done last night was because Reid wanted 5 years. As it said in this post. Chiefs had to get there but started at 3.

Finally, go **** yourself Scott Pioli. **** you, **** you, **** you. Source nailed that they had to fire Pioli to avoid Clark getting sued for breaking contract. They are paying Pioli in full. This final year from his orig. deal plus his 2 year extension that Clark gave.

I'll never bash Clark Hunt again.

Finally, there's a lot of old timers at Arrowhead who are dancing in the office isles as that dictating piece of shit gets his shit out of the office.

FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST.

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 9281543)

Anything about if Rivera gets fired on Monday?

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 9281535)

NYG fan just texted me "congrats on hiring a guy who never won anything"

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281537)

I'm just bumping this post to update it. Source ****ing killed it on this info. There's more steam picking up with Kiffin though. Lots of writers are mentioning him now as well.

Ray Farmer is not under consideration for any role. Dorsey is going to be the GM (he has to be to make the move), Heckert will be director of pro personnel. There will also be a cap guru brought in. Eagle teams always have a lot of cap space but they spend.

Reason this wasn't done last night was because Reid wanted 5 years. As it said in this post. Chiefs had to get there but started at 3.

Finally, go **** yourself Scott Pioli. **** you, **** you, **** you. Source nailed that they had to fire Pioli to avoid Clark getting sued for breaking contract. They are paying Pioli in full. This final year from his orig. deal plus his 2 year extension that Clark gave.

I'll never bash Clark Hunt again.

Finally, there's a lot of old timers at Arrowhead who are dancing in the office isles as that dictating piece of shit gets his shit out of the office.

FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281537)

I'm just bumping this post to update it. Source ****ing killed it on this info. There's more steam picking up with Kiffin though. Lots of writers are mentioning him now as well.

Ray Farmer is not under consideration for any role. Dorsey is going to be the GM (he has to be to make the move), Heckert will be director of pro personnel. There will also be a cap guru brought in. Eagle teams always have a lot of cap space but they spend.

Reason this wasn't done last night was because Reid wanted 5 years. As it said in this post. Chiefs had to get there but started at 3.

Finally, go **** yourself Scott Pioli. **** you, **** you, **** you. Source nailed that they had to fire Pioli to avoid Clark getting sued for breaking contract. They are paying Pioli in full. This final year from his orig. deal plus his 2 year extension that Clark gave.

I'll never bash Clark Hunt again.

Finally, there's a lot of old timers at Arrowhead who are dancing in the office isles as that dictating piece of shit gets his shit out of the office.

FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281552)

Thanks for the info.


I'm hoping wholehearted no to Kiffin. I really really want Rivera, so he needs to get fired quick.

Another question, how is your source feeling about keeping his job?

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281559)

I would think pretty good because he's been in the loop about everything.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9281575)

What is so bad about Kiffin? Uneducated moron here.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281580)

Runs the outdated Tampa 2, which is extremely hard to get pieces for.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9281556)

Wow, we would have one hell of a personnel department. Can't believe Heckert would do that when GM positions are out there, but that's pretty impressive of a guy to bring in at that level.

Ugh on Kiffin. Good news is, at least it's outside of Reid's tree, so it wouldn't be a crony hire. But it's not an arguably outdated defense run by a guy who may not be coaching much longer that requires a significant shift in personnel.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9281587)

How so? Unless im mistaken its pretty much an aggresive 4-3 with the MLB dropping back into coverage. OTOH if iys about bend but dont break then **** that.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9281587)

How so? Unless im mistaken its pretty much an aggresive 4-3 with the MLB dropping back into coverage. OTOH if iys about bend but dont break then **** that.

Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 9267279)

I wouldn't mind him too much although I still prefer that we go with a young college coach or a coordinator who have never been HCs before.

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 9281575)

What is so bad about Kiffin? Uneducated moron here.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9281589)

Its starting to look like to me that all of these guys want to come here and knock it straight out of the park.

The only thing I can think of as to why they'd all want to come here and share duties like this is because they're trying to recreate the 90's 49ers and Packers that resulted in literally DOZENS of these types of guys getting HC and GM jobs all over the league.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281574)

Also, are the GM's pretty much a done deal at this point?

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9281589)

Its starting to look like to me that all of these guys want to come here and knock it straight out of the park.

The only thing I can think of as to why they'd all want to come here and share duties like this is because they're trying to recreate the 90's 49ers and Packers that resulted in literally DOZENS of these types of guys getting HC and GM jobs all over the league.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281613)

And I really want to bring in a DC who is flexible, not only able to run a out of date hard as shit to assemble defense.


In other words, I want Ron Rivera to come in and run his version of Jim Johnson's defense, the one that was nasty as **** in Philly.

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9281621)

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

ESPN's John Clayton on #Panthers HC Ron Rivera's job security: "People inside the building think that he is going to be able to stay."

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9281621)

Evan Silva ‏@evansilva

ESPN's John Clayton on #Panthers HC Ron Rivera's job security: "People inside the building think that he is going to be able to stay."

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281620)

They all want to work together is why. Dorsey can go to numerous spots right now and be the GM. He could have been the Colts GM last off-season.

He wants to work with people he trusts and all those guys just know they want success together (which is what Pioli always preached but never ****ing surrounded himself with the talent or the communication skills to pull it off) and they want to win a SB.

Heckert could be a GM right now if he wanted to as well.

It's beyond that for them.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281647)

So all these guys actually want to work with each other? I didn't think that was allowed?

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281650)

Why isn't it allowed?

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281654)

Just considering what we've been thru, I didn't think other people would actually want to work with someone else, for fear of not getting all the credit.

:mad:

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281656)

I can assure you not one of those guys give a shit about credit.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281656)

I can assure you not one of those guys give a shit about credit.

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9281620)

They all want to work together is why. Dorsey can go to numerous spots right now and be the GM. He could have been the Colts GM last off-season.

He wants to work with people he trusts and all those guys just know they want success together (which is what Pioli always preached but never ****ing surrounded himself with the talent or the communication skills to pull it off) and they want to win a SB.

Heckert could be a GM right now if he wanted to as well.

It's beyond that for them.

Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 9281675)

These guys also know that a dedicated and championship starved fan base like ours would be the place to achieve success and then be lifted up on high. They'd literally have Mayor Sly shining their shoes and passing out HJs like they were candy on Halloween. Larger market team's fans seem (in my uneducated opinion) to forget successes in a more expeditious fashion. Come to KC, win a Superbowl, and literally be thought of as able to walk on water and simultaneously turn that water into Boulevard beer.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9281685)

All I know is that it sounds too good to be true.

If they get Heckert AND Dorsey and Reid brings in Castillo, Pederson, and Childress for the offense, their a decent DC away from some kind of front office super group.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9281089)

I just remember those Eagles defenses being an attacking nasty son of a bitch, with great run blitzes and just being nasty.


Rivera is cut from the same cloth.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9281685)

All I know is that it sounds too good to be true.

If they get Heckert AND Dorsey and Reid brings in Castillo, Pederson, and Childress for the offense, their a decent DC away from some kind of front office super group.