The Royals have just announced that the Rays will be forced to fly back to KC for one day only on August 26th to make up that snow game. I was a bit nervous that we might lose a home game on this since the Rays dont come back to KC this year.

So how long do we have to put up with Jeremy "Let's see how many balls get hit out of the park today" Guthrie? Three years? :facepalm:

Rany's take on Dayton's "Blame the park, not me" excuse:

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2013/...t-blame-k.html

Blaming the park is just a lame excuse.

When you pile your roster with shit players like Francouer, Getz, and some miscasts of players who has no business of playing in the MLB level, it's easy to see why the Royals don't take any walks or produce high quality OBP players.

Exactly. The Royals' offense doesn't suck because of the park. It sucks because Dayton Moore continues to roster pieces of shit like Chris Getz, Jeff Francoeur, etc.

Bubba Starling update: 1 for 3 with a sac fly. No strikeouts

Starling:

Age: 20.9
.215/.296
.658 OPS
29.6 K%. (Strikeouts- 74- same number as H+BB+HBP)

South Atlantic League (Low-A ball):

Age: 21.7
.252/.329
.704 OPS
21.3 K%

Rob White ‏@rwhiteOWH 17m

#Royals end injury rehab assignment of OF Jarrod Dyson and bring him back to KC. 2B Chris Getz optioned to Omaha.

Chris Getz still has options? I had no idea that was an option.

Dutton still hasn't chimed in on this, so it seems to be a rumor imo till then

That is, um, peculiur?

I mean, there has to be something else that their gonna do. 5 outfielders and 7 relievers? Our utility guy is now the 75 year old Tejada (Where based on recent trends is gonna be our almost everyday 3b)? Maybe getting something done for Utley?

Dayton Moore's tenure is just one long iteration of a 'The Aristocrats!' joke.

Francoeur has a little more value than Getz because he offers a RH bat and at least gives them the opportunity to match up against LHP occasionally.

Next move should be DFAing JC Gutierrez and calling up Anthony Seratelli. Seratelli adds another UTIL spot and gives them more roster flexibility.

I hope to never see Chris Getz play a major league game for the Royals again...

I'd rather bring up Giavotella again than try Seratelli. I understand Johnny G. went through a little slump that's depressed his numbers this year, but he's so much younger and has actually picked it up a little in the last 10 days (hitting over .300 during that stretch).

I'd fine with that, too.

Main thinking with Seratelli is that he can play more positions (though he really is a pretty bad defender no matter where you stick him).

I know that this player hasn't been productive at the ML level since about '08, but damn if Nady isn't having a pretty good run of things at Omaha.

I'm just saying...we need "power" that desperately.

Rany Jazayerli ‏@jazayerli 15s
At this moment, NOT ONE PLAYER ON THE ROYALS ROSTER has a slugging average above .420. No wonder Jarrod Dyson's about to be activated.

BTW, Gordon on the bench today, OF of Lough/Cain/Frenchy

Year seven of the DM era, ladies and gentlemen.

Just ****ing pathetic.

C'mon, from Day 1 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 was always The Year to Compete.

Just be patient. This will all be fixed in the offseason.

Gordon hurt?

Gordon has been struggling for a while now.

ROYALS
Royals confirm moves: Dyson returns from DL, Getz optioned to Omaha
June 22
BY BOB DUTTON
The Kansas City Star

I don't mind Gordon going to the bench .... something has been off for awhile with him.

hurt ... needs a break?


Frenchy and Moose still playing after sucking this long is stupid though

Gordon is just in a deep slump. Needs the day off and hopefully will snap out of it soon. Hosmers HR was a real positive sign yesterday. Glad Getz is gone, he should be in the minors the rest of his career

We've assembled a hell of a National League lineup.

For all the famed hype about the glorious farm system of 2011, nothing has come of it. Literally, nothing. And even worse, there's nothing left anymore. I read we're in the 15-20 range right now in farm system rankings.


Dayton's clock is ticking. Tick tock, tick tock.

fixed your post

prolly posted somewhere else, didn't see it.

ticker during the game says that myers hit a grand slam for tampa bay. pretty sure that's his first ml homer.

/our time

I can almost guarantee you that he's got through at least midway 2014. When he made the Shields trade, I'm certain he convinced Glass that it created a two-year window. And he'll tell Glass now that he's assembled the pitching, now give him this offseason to acquire some hitters, and we'll be competitive in 2014.

And by competitive, I mean if we win 80+ games, he'll think that means we're on the right track (in year 8) to finally begin turning the corner to slowly start working our way up to 82, then 85 then 87 then 90 wins and hopefully compete for the division title sometime around 2018 ... although since Mondesi and Bonafacio will be relatively new, Dayton will argue for patience, that we can't expect these young players to actually compete until 2020 or so.

I'm sorry, but I've become so ****ing cynical about this regime.

Wil Myers hit a grand slam today...

Watching Myers' granny clip, I thought it was Longoria initially. Did he always have that batting stance?

To get Stanton, Rany thinks it would take the following:

Ventura, Zimmer, Mondessi, and Cuthbert.

Done. Done. Done. Mother****ing done. "Prospects." **** 'em all.

It's gonna take more than one bat to make us competitive. We are hardly in bet the farm territory here - and that's essentially what that trade would be.

Stanton is controllable for the next 3 1/2 years. He's a major piece to trying to make a run for the foreseeable future.

Moore is a ****ing idiot if he doesn't strongly pursue this trade. But, alas, we know that Moore is a ****ing idiot.

Who's Stanton?

And prospects are complete bullshit.

We traded a damn near "sure thing" for Shields, so no one should balk at trading any other prospect, especially for a legit power bat.

This beast: http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...tantmi03.shtml

Dayton has next year on his contract so the skinflint owner will likely factor that.

Sure, he has told everyone these two years are the end point o his plan. After 2014 that will be the end of the line. He has zero clue how to build a winning team. Winning 78 or so games in year 8 isn't success, it's embarrassing

The fact that we care about pitching prospects is embarrassing. We move Wil ****ing Myers, yet even give a second thought to moving the likes of 145 lb. Ventura? Yeah...

Get a ****ing legit bat.

This 'baseball team' has more vaginas than the GD Playboy mansion.

I would trade for Stanton with all those guys, some wouldn't. Royals need a guy that will hit 30+ hrs soon. Butler is not a cleanup guy even in his prime season last year. More like a 3

There is just no threat to the other team to not walk Butler.

We've banked on the hope of prospects for 20 + years. And that has gotten us next to jack squat.

I would absolutely do that deal now. Stanton is a proven stud who would add punch to this lineup and put people in the seats.

1. Gordon (LF)
2. Hosmer (1B)
3. Butler (DH)
4. Stanton (RF)
5. Perez (C)
6. Moose (3B)
7. Cain (CF)
8. Giavotella (2B)
9. Escobar (SS)

Pretty sure everyone is working around him constantly and no protection will cause the #'s he has. His OBP is really high atleast i guess

Exactly.

"Pitching prospects" are acquired to trade. Legit position prospects, such as Myers, well...one has to hope that those bear fruit. But, anyway.

We need to make a move for a player like Stanton. If that means our top 4-5 prospects. So what? "Mortgage the farm"? And? What has the farm meant thus far?

We're worried about a couple of "pitching prospects"? A 17-year-old? Please.

I would do it, and not think twice about it. I would probably try to see if I could get away with offering Orlando Calixte and another prospect instead of Mondesi, but that wouldn't be a stopping point.

Thing is, I'm not sure Ventura+Mondesi+Zimmer+Cuthbert would be enough. Stanton's value is, by all accounts, higher than that of Miguel Cabrera when the Marlins traded him, and that is a lesser package than what was given up for Cabrera.

It would leave the Royals pitching depth slim after the 2014 season, but you know what? Acquire Stanton, win some real games, and you might actually have a chance to re-sign James Shields after 2014.

Even without Ventura and Zimmer, the Royals' farm system would not be devoid of pitching talent.

Chris Dwyer
Danny Duffy
Miguel Almonte (who some think is equivalent to Zimmer, anyway)
Kyle Smith
Angel Baez
Bryan Brickhouse
Sean Manaea
John Lamb

And as for positional talent...

Jorge Bonifacio
Orlando Calixte
Hunter Dozier
Bubba Starling

That's probably STILL a top 1/2 farm system. And you don't have many needs at the MLB level until the 2015 season. 1B, LF, CF, RF, 4th OF, C, SS, all have clear options in place, as does DH. YOu're set in the bullpen for quite a while in terms of major pieces. 2B, 3B, and SP are your only potential questions.

Emptying out the farm system for young studs like Stanton with years of control remaining is not a bad thing, at all.

Gordon
Hosmer
Butler
Stanton

would be a pretty strong top 4 and create a LOT of runs. Stanton would make the Royals a legitimate contender in 2014, even if they can't bring back Ervin Santana (they'll have enough cash to bring in a quality SP, though). And if this team starts winning... and filling the ballpark... who knows what happens in terms of payroll?

2015 pitching staff would be the question. You're looking at...

1) VACANT (Unless you can extend Shields for a few seasons)
2) Danny Duffy (you hope)
3) Jeremy Guthrie (you hope he's slotted no higher than here)
4) FILLED BY a Pitching Prospect
5) Filled by a Pitching Prospect

Lot of question marks there. Best-case scenario would be Manaea getting healthy and zooming through the minors, because he has legitimate TOR ability. Almonte also has premium shelf ability, and Lamb did at one time (he has shown signs here and there of getting all the way back but hasn't done it yet). The rest of those guys are more back-end starters.

Stanton has transformational potential for this team. That's why the cost is so high and that's why so many teams will chase him. But if he were brought in and this was the 2014 lineup:

LF - Alex Gordon
1B - Eric Hosmer
DH - Billy Butler
RF - Mike Stanton
C - Sal Perez
2B - Kelly Johnson/other acquisition
CF - Cain
3B - Moustakas
SS - Escobar

You're talking about a real, legitimate, playoff-caliber lineup. They'd need to find a lefthanded stick at 2B that can legitimately hit 6, which makes Johnson a PERFECT fit. If moustakas doesn't show signs of life this year, you also need a solution there, which Johnson could be (insurance for suck from Moose). If Moustakas did show life, you're probably looking at him in the 6 hole as a beginning-of-year "plan."

Gordon and Stanton controlled through 2016
Hosmer, Cain and Moustakas through 2017
Butler through 2015
Perez and Escobar through 2019

You'd have Bonifacio and Calixte and Dozier probably knocking on the door in 2015.

Ultimately, it probably makes too much sense. ANd the Royals probably don't have enough NEAR-MLB talent to get it done.

There is almost no package of prospects that could be put together that the Royals or virtually any team in baseball should say no to in order to acquire Mike Stanton. I'm a Cardinal homer, obviously, but I think they may be the only team who would be in a position where they should decline if the Rangers come ask for prospects 1-4 (Miller, Tavares, Martinez, Adams).

A healthy Mike Stanton is truly at the level of Harper, Machado and almost Trout in terms of game-changing ability. And people forget that he's still only 23.

He is soooooo damn good. And I really think he's tapped into about 2/3 of his potential at this point. If there's a 60 HR hitter presently in major league baseball, it's him (though I think he's probably a 50 HR hitter).

And ever so slowly, his plate discipline is improving.

If he ever masters that and gets a real lineup around him, he'll be absolutely terrifying.

I think this was the thread where I said the Rangers should probably be willing to give up Profar, Ott and their best pitching prospect for him and I stand by that.

Mike Stanton has amazing potential.

I think that's a bigger block to acquiring him than the Royals being willing to give up the right package.

The Rangers would be smart to ship Olt, Profar, Perez and Grimm out for Stanton, if the Marlins would take it. I know Olt's star has fallen a bit, but those are ALL guys who probably start for the Marlins the day after the trade is made.

KC really can't match that. I don't think ANYONE in MLB can really match what the Rangers can if TExas decides it wants Stanton.

The only team that REALLY could match it is the Cardinals. Adams + Wacha + Martinez + Wong + Freese would probably get it done.

Of course, the Cardinals have a logjam in the OF as is, and at 1B. So it doesn't make as much sense for them as for Texas.

But Taveras and Stanton would be a terrifying combination for the next decade.

He'd be lucky to hit 15 playing half his games in The K./ Dayton Moore

If the Cardinals didn't have Taveras in their system, the Marlins might be willing to make your offer. But with Taveras there, I just can't see the Fish dealing Stanton without insisting he comes back in the deal.

And Jesus, I'd mike your proposed trade 100 times out of 100. I'd hang up and silently weep to myself. Putting Taveras/Stanton at 3-4 in the middle of the order with Carpenter at the top and Craig/Molina/Holliday batting 5-6-7...{JIMP}. Really, you'd probably put Taveras at 2 with Holliday at 3 and Stanton at 4 for the near term, but long-term I don't think it stacks that way as Holliday's bat slows.

St. Louis would likely need Garcia to come up and play 2b at that point with Carpenter moving back to 3b. I could live with that for sure; those are 2 very nice OBP guys ahead of the most terrifying.

Yeah, the Royals biggest problem is timing. Their prospects are just a little too young to battle with the farm systems in Texas and St. Louis, as well as several others. KC needs to hope that Miami holds him for another 2 years and deals him before his walk year. At that point, the kids in the system will have probably established trade value.

Yep. The bold is the key. There is no price too high for Stanton.

This is the same thing as an NFL team attempting to acquire a legit, young, franchise QB. Whatever it takes. No questions, and no problems.

I'm in.
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You bet. When we traded Myers, we went balls deep. Too late now to start asking the bitch if she's got an STD.

At least with the Stanton trade, we'll get a little pleasure before we go sterile.

I agree.

We might just be ****ed
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This is ****ing cool

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Cisco VoIP rocks!!!

Now Alex has quit on the team. He's got a slugging % of .229 (yeah, that's not a misprint) his last 130 AB. His slug is now down to his rookie year level, the year he struggled so badly remember? Alex isn't stealing any bases, his defensive metrics are way down, and his ISO is on pace to be the worst in his career.


His BABIP is still a stunning .345 so that's not it. He's not unlucky this year. He's just quit on the team with his BFF, BIlly Butler. Thanks guys for leading this team.

:rolleyes:

Is he sucking? Yes. Quitting? GMAFB

You're leading this message board in reerunedness.

Congrats! :thumb:

Right. Now, back to Alex. Why does he suck so badly, and why does his BFF suck so badly too? I mean we've beaten Hos & Moose to death (deservedly) but what about these two turds?


Dayton counted on them to produce, and they aren't. That's 19M of payroll with them. What's your explanation?

I think Gordon is trying too hard.

I think it's more that they're doing the bare minimum to get by. It's infectious, and it's a mentality that a Wal-Mart owner brings to any organization. It may not start that way, but it gets there no matter how hard you try.

Soon enough, we'll see Shields move along, as will the likes of Gordon and a few other choice players.

And we'll never have the locker room fight that's needed, the juicing controversy that's needed, or any of the other things that are so needed in this clubhouse. Hell, we won't even see these "can't take it deep regularly" players running fences after the game either. LOL, that'd be worth the price of admission...

They're pressing because the rest of the lineup sucks ass?



Nah, that couldn't be it. They've obviously quit on the team. :rolleyes:

Hey Prison Bitch. This one's attempting to take your title.

We are 13th in the AL in runs. Last year we were 12th in runs. Both had excellent years despite the crap around them in 2012. Therefore your explanation "they're pressing" because the lineup sucks doesn't work either.

I'm afraid this is exactly right. The vortex of suck eventually swallows everybody whole here. I don't know how to turn it around really. When you see the 2011 BB America rankings and how we had 5 of the top-20....and they all sucked balls whereas most of the rest are young stars....you have to chalk it up to the org just sucking.

Players can't wait to get out of here. Alex and Billy are half-assing it. Billy is slugging .390 this year. What a complete turd he became. Why isn't the heat on that fat boy more than it is? 8M for this?

Would the royals really trade all their top prospects and sign Stanton to a massive contract when it's time?

Hardly. Just dealing with reality. Once the stars see that they can't fix this team singlehandedly, it just gets harder and harder to care.

Or we'll just go with the "trying too hard" excuse. I'm adding it to the list of excuses my engineers can hand me when they don't get the work done. NOT! :)

**** NO!!! We'll trade them all for a few minor league prospects to play in Single-A squad for five years, and tell the fans they're now targeting 2018 as "our year". They learned a few tricks from King Carl!

Look, the fact the general manager, the team manager, and Moose have survived this without so much as a public lashing has to tell you something.

What can I say, people like Cool-Aid, and we keep drinking it.

The ownership couldn't care less as long as the money keeps rolling in.

Man this thread really went to hell.

Royals
35-38, third in AL Central, 6-1/2 games back

So much for the impact of George Brett as interim hitting coach.

The Royals are 14-9 since Brett and Pedro Grifol replaced Jack Maloof and Andre David as the team’s hitting instructors, as opposed to 21-29 before the change. But the team is actually scoring fewer runs, dropping from 3.98 to 3.74 per game.

Pitching and defense are the primary reasons the Royals are near .500. Yet, even the pitching is something of a mirage.

While the team leads the American League in ERA, it is only 11th in Fielding Independent Pitching, which measures the effectiveness of pitchers based on results that do not involve fielders. What’s more, the Royals’ pitchers have the league’s sixth lowest strikeout rate, and their opponents’ batting average on balls in play is the fifth lowest.

In other words, they’re getting lucky.

Some rival executives criticized the Royals’ blockbuster with the Rays as a reach, reasoning that the Royals were not good enough to sacrifice a prospect such as Wil Myers in a win-now deal.

I disagreed with that assessment initially, but not now. I’m skeptical that the Royals can catch the Indians, much less the Tigers.


http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/c...-season-062313

Damn. Harsh ROFL

Can you two pump each other in the O's thread? Thanks.

According to their Pythagorean data, the Royals are 2 games worse than their expected W/L record which should be 37-36. So in fact they are not getting "lucky", but rather they are 2 games unlucky.


Sorry to inject facts here.

Is there anything more pathetic then those two? Why the **** are you obsessed with the royals?