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tmw4h5 02-10-2014 12:20 AM

Thanks a ton for the information, guys.

alnorth 02-10-2014 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10423990)
My understanding of the qualifying offer is that the Royals get the same pick regardless.

Rules:
- If you sign a player who holds a qualifying offer, you surrender your first round pick, unless you have a pick in the top 10, in which case you would surrender your second pick (whether second round, a comp pick or a competitive balance pick).
- The surrendered pick simply vanishes. Everyone behind it moves up a spot. For example, the Orioles' 17th pick would cease to exist, and the Royals would actually move up from the 18th pick in Round 1 to the 17th pick.
- The team that lost the player gets a compensation pick AFTER the first round but before the competitive balance round.

So, how does this break out for KC?

If the Orioles sign Ervin Santana, KC will get:

Pick No. 17 in Round 1 (assuming none of the 4 teams in front of them sign another player with a QO, like Kendrys Morales, Nelson Cruz, Stephen Drew)
Pick No. 34 (Comp Round pick - for Santana - could slide down if more QO guys are signed)
Pick No. 39 (Competitive Balance pick - could slide down a few slots as QO guys are signed)
Pick No. 57 (round 2 pick - could slide up if someone like the Mariners - who have a protected round 1 pick - signs Nelson Cruz or Stephen Drew)

Four picks in the top 60 is pretty sweet. Lot of money to play with in the draft.

Here's a link to the current draft order.

I would feel bad for Erv if he ends up in Baltimore. Not a good fit for him, at all.

Its mostly the same, but if someone other than Toronto gets Santana, then our sandwich pick improves by one pick because the vanished pick would be a 1st rounder. If Toronto signs, then the vanished pick is a 2nd rounder.

Three7s 02-10-2014 07:46 AM

Orioles would be pretty stupid to go after him with the small ballparks prevalent in the AL east, including their own, but then again, they've never been smart in the FA market.

C3HIEF3S 02-10-2014 09:01 AM

MLB Trade Rumors says that the Orioles aren't close to a deal with Santana at this time. That seems like it would just be asking for trouble with Santana pitching in Camden Yards. Hell, not only there, but Yankee Stadium and Fenway too.


I probably just repeated what has been said about 100 times already, but I can't help it, i'm ready for baseball! :)

Three7s 02-10-2014 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10424213)
MLB Trade Rumors says that the Orioles aren't close to a deal with Santana at this time. That seems like it would just be asking for trouble with Santana pitching in Camden Yards. Hell, not only there, but Yankee Stadium and Fenway too.


I probably just repeated what has been said about 100 times already, but I can't help it, i'm ready for baseball! :)

100 times? I just said it a post ahead of yours! But yes, the Orioles are a horrifically stupid franchise when it comes to signing free agents.

duncan_idaho 02-10-2014 09:16 AM

If you check Orioles boards at all (which I've done a few times this offseason - checking in on Manny Machado and Dylan Bundy for fantasy purposes, mostly), you'll notice that a portion of their fanbase seems ready to revolt because they haven't spent any money.

If they don't sign at least on FA SP of note, I think they're going to have some trouble on their hands with at least some of the fans. Could be motivating them here....

Infidel Goat 02-10-2014 11:21 AM

Isn't today the deadline to trade Bonaficio?

Otherwise, we pay most of his salary anyway and a new team could pick him off the waiver wire for league minimum.

Surely there is a taker for him...

duncan_idaho 02-10-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 10424541)
Isn't today the deadline to trade Bonaficio?

Otherwise, we pay most of his salary anyway and a new team could pick him off the waiver wire for league minimum.

Surely there is a taker for him...

I think they're only on the hook for 1/6 of his salary at this point, or about 600k. Same situation as Luke Hochevar last year, when many of us - myself included - were calling for them to cut him loose.

On to Santana news...

Orioles, Mariners, Dodgers, Yankees and Indians have all checked on Santana in the past few days, according to a tweet.

Recent news seems to be that both the Blue Jays and the Orioles are NOT the teams driving closer to a deal with Ervin. Not sure what that means.

Today should be interesting.

chefsos 02-10-2014 11:39 AM

I'll agree with you guys that Santana is not a good fit in Baltimore. Also, even if they do it and his elbow is of any concern at all, his will be the longest physical in the history of mankind.

gblowfish 02-10-2014 12:23 PM

Today is Alex Gordon's 30th Birthday!
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/tea...evel=%27ALL%27

BlackHelicopters 02-10-2014 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 10424643)
Today is Alex Gordon's 30th Birthday!
http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/tea...evel=%27ALL%27

Happy Birthday Alex!

alnorth 02-10-2014 12:44 PM

Latest Santana news:

Quote:

MLBTR's Tim Dierkes reports (via Twitter) that there's "no way" Santana signs today. Dierkes' source says that there are three to four teams with serious interest.
I'm increasing our odds of retaining him from 1 in 10,000, to 1 in... hmm... the number of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy.

That is (looking it up...) according to Wikipedia, somewhere between 100 and 400 billion. Sounds about right. I'll split the difference and say our odds of re-signing Santana is 1 in 250,000,000,000

C3HIEF3S 02-10-2014 01:15 PM

Dayton Moore preseason press conference at 130 on 610.

WhawhaWhat 02-10-2014 01:38 PM

Dayton gets questioned about Ervin Santana, he responds saying they signed Vargas and Chen to fill the roles of veterans on the rotation.

Idiot Josh Vernier then asks a question about the young starters. No follow-up on if Santana even has an offer on the table from the Royals.

Lex Luthor 02-10-2014 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10424828)
Dayton gets questioned about Ervin Santana, he responds saying they signed Vargas and Chen to fill the roles of veterans on the rotation.

Idiot Josh Vernier then asks a question about the young starters. No follow-up on if Santana even has an offer on the table from the Royals.

Maybe he didn't ask the question because everyone knows that they don't.


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