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UL Washington 02-19-2016 11:07 PM

What a cluster **** that was.... 2 terrible fights...

Stephen Hawking would have beat that Dada slob and the second fight, WTF was that?

BigCatDaddy 02-19-2016 11:08 PM

Not sure words could describe how hilariously bad that was.

BigCatDaddy 02-19-2016 11:09 PM

That should be replayed on the comedy channel.

GloryDayz 02-19-2016 11:13 PM

Before they raised the hand, did they not get the word that the old guy hit the other old guy in the nuts?

KCTitus 02-19-2016 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12090754)
Not sure words could describe how hilariously bad that was.

heh...I knew it was going to be a clown show, but honestly had no idea how effing bad it would turn out.

OMG...effing horrible.

Why Not? 02-19-2016 11:27 PM

Dana White is probably laughing his ass off.

KCTitus 02-19-2016 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12090774)
Dana White is probably laughing his ass off.

ehh...Dana has spent too much time pimping womens fighting and quite frankly, the Gracie/Shamrock fiasco was a better fight than any women fight.

Why Not? 02-19-2016 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 12090776)
ehh...Dana has spent too much time pimping womens fighting and quite frankly, the Gracie/Shamrock fiasco was a better fight than any women fight.

True. But man, that Kimbo "fight" was such a disaster.

KCTitus 02-19-2016 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12090782)
True. But man, that Kimbo "fight" was such a disaster.

It was so funny..those guys were gassed 30 seconds into the first round. That's twice as long as the average chick fight.

Why Not? 02-19-2016 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCTitus (Post 12090784)
It was so funny..those guys were gassed 30 seconds into the first round. That's twice as long as the average chick fight.

Indeed. Yeah, I've never been a fan of chick fighting. Seems so contrived.

alnorth 02-19-2016 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12090785)
Indeed. Yeah, I've never been a fan of chick fighting. Seems so contrived.

It is not "contrived", the problem is the same problem that all of the men's divisions had 20 years ago (and still does to some degree for flyweights). The talent pool is shallow. You can't credibly argue that Jedrzejczyk isn't fun to watch.

TimBone 02-20-2016 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12090796)
It is not "contrived", the problem is the same problem that all of the men's divisions had 20 years ago (and still does to some degree for flyweights). The talent pool is shallow. You can't credibly argue that Jedrzejczyk isn't fun to watch.

Yeah, there's some truth to this. There's just not enough talent right now.

That makes it tough to watch most of the time, though.

alnorth 02-20-2016 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12090809)
Yeah, there's some truth to this. There's just not enough talent right now.

That makes it tough to watch most of the time, though.

Most strawweight fights, I'm just not interested in at all right now, unless its Joanna, one of the maybe 3 other decent fighters, or some newbie with a reputation in other martial arts like Muay Thai or BJJ. Those I'll watch just to see if they found someone else to throw at Joanna or not.

They still gotta grind out those strawweight fights though, to give the very few legit prospects some cans to beat up while they grow the pool if for no other reason. It might take many years, but thats why early prelims exist.

Why Not? 02-20-2016 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12090796)
It is not "contrived", the problem is the same problem that all of the men's divisions had 20 years ago (and still does to some degree for flyweights). The talent pool is shallow. You can't credibly argue that Jedrzejczyk isn't fun to watch.

Maybe contrived isn't the right word. Forced or over hyped? To me, it seems like something trying to be pushed that is just not that entertaining. But you guys are the MMA experts, I haven't watched a fight prior to tonight since the last Lesner fight, so perhaps I'm missing out.

alnorth 02-20-2016 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 12090859)
Maybe contrived isn't the right word. Forced or over hyped? To me, it seems like something trying to be pushed that is just not that entertaining. But you guys are the MMA experts, I haven't watched a fight prior to tonight since the last Lesner fight, so perhaps I'm missing out.

If you want to say that most women's MMA fights just in general are usually bad, I'm with you. I might even go as far as to say 75% of women's MMA fights right now are "affirmative action" fights where they would be buried in local promotions if they were men with their low skill level, but they need to exist in the UFC to keep the divisions alive for the good champions that the UFC has managed to uncover.

We have a few women who are legit good fighters and who are enjoyable to watch in both bantamweight and strawweight, but unfortunately they exist in an era where there's not a lot of compelling competition or opponents in those divisions. I've grown to appreciate Mighty Mouse (which is hard because men's flyweight fights are usually so bad), that dude is so damn good he deserves to be in the P4P rankings, but he suffers in popularity from a lack of competition. Same with Joanna Champion, she's my 4th-favorite UFC fighter, but the strawweight division is sadly really bad right now. At least she's got Gadelha who might be able to give her a fight later this year.

Fortunately, for those divisions that are shallow we can always stick those necessary mid-level bad affirmative action fights in the early prelims. If Demetrious or Joanna didn't exist then OK maybe we shut those divisions down, but they do exist and they are fun champions to watch, so we need to eat our vegetables and try to find good opponents for them to be tested against.

alnorth 02-20-2016 03:10 AM

https://vine.co/v/ir7YOWiD53X

I love how Kimbo completely missed his last punch, and when out of shape Dada 5000 was stumbling away, Kimbo didn't pursue, he was like "great, I needed a rest"

edit: for those who didn't see the fight last night, here you go

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alnorth 02-20-2016 02:16 PM

Well, thats no good. Dada 5000 almost died

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Multiple sources confirm Dhafir Harris was in critical condition overnight. His heart stopped and he was placed on a ventilator.</p>&mdash; Jeremy Botter (@jeremybotter) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/701137492980858881">February 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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SAUTO 02-20-2016 02:46 PM

Holy shit what a total lol.

My buddy told me this morning that we have thrown more punches with. 16 oz gloves on drunk off our asses on.a Saturday night.

alnorth 02-20-2016 03:37 PM

We now have a bit of info on what was going on with Dada 5000. He was severely dehydrated because he lost 40 pounds to meet the heavyweight limit of 265. Not sure how much of that was a healthy weight loss and how much was a weight cut.

Jerm 02-20-2016 03:44 PM

Jesus Christ....after last night, anyone associated with that company should be ashamed.

What a shit show...

raybec 4 02-20-2016 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12091323)
Jesus Christ....after last night, anyone associated with that company should be ashamed.

What a shit show...

Ben Henderson and Phil Davis are both thinking wtf did I do to my career

Why Not? 02-20-2016 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12091195)
Well, thats no good. Dada 5000 almost died

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Multiple sources confirm Dhafir Harris was in critical condition overnight. His heart stopped and he was placed on a ventilator.</p>&mdash; Jeremy Botter (@jeremybotter) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/701137492980858881">February 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Hellish. He looked terrible but I didn't think he was death's door bad.

GloryDayz 02-20-2016 11:20 PM

Not sure if anybody's watching WSF 28, but wow, dude just got ****ed!

alnorth 02-21-2016 02:04 PM

Card tonight on FS1 is OK by free card standards, obviously the main event will be interesting.

Why Not? 02-21-2016 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12092614)
Card tonight on FS1 is OK by free card standards, obviously the main event will be interesting.

Discussing MMA here the past few days is kinda sucking me back in. Think I'll catch the card tonight.

alnorth 02-21-2016 06:27 PM

One of the judges tonight failed basic arithmetic.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbxyhRJXIAAQez1.png

kstater 02-21-2016 06:58 PM

Good fight

alnorth 02-21-2016 10:12 PM

Cowboy vs Cowboy going down soon

ChiliConCarnage 02-21-2016 10:21 PM

Lets go..

GloryDayz 02-21-2016 10:25 PM

LOL, he may dance for an hour!

GloryDayz 02-21-2016 10:27 PM

LOL, paused it....I'll come back later when the dancing is done.

GloryDayz 02-21-2016 10:31 PM

Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

GloryDayz 02-21-2016 10:34 PM

WOW!

ChiliConCarnage 02-21-2016 10:35 PM

Sheeit. I was just about to post that Cerrone looked a bit undersized versus Oli

ChiliConCarnage 02-21-2016 10:36 PM

Lol I love how he's pointing at him

GloryDayz 02-21-2016 10:37 PM

I didn't see that coming. That was impressive...

alnorth 02-21-2016 11:00 PM

Mario Yamasaki had a rough night tonight. Fortunately his fails didn't really have an impact on the 2 outcomes, and I loved watching Cerrone show off his BJJ skills.

alnorth 02-21-2016 11:04 PM

Cowboy on the fact that he can now fight at 155 and 170: "if anyone wants to get hurt, I know a guy!"

Since he didn't really get hit and won by sub, I assume we'll see Cerrone fight again in a few weeks, because that dude loves him some money.

alnorth 02-21-2016 11:13 PM

New weird locker room bonus: Pittsburgh Steeler players trading Cowboy some of their bling for some of his fight-day worn shit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cbyzg6rUcAAKFAZ.jpg

TimBone 02-21-2016 11:24 PM

Is that dude wearing skinny jeans?

Demonpenz 02-22-2016 03:45 PM

I think normal jeans on black guys just look weird.

alnorth 02-23-2016 08:23 AM

RDA got hurt in training. The superfight is off. There is no God.

edit: the UFC is trying to find a replacement to keep Conor on the card. Edgar's team says he is injured and not available on short notice.

I assume since Conor was planning on making weight at 155 and its 11 days out, Conor won't be able to make 145 for a FW fight.

Jerm 02-23-2016 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12094836)
RDA got hurt in training. The superfight is off. There is no God.

Holy shit, Conor is gonna have a field day...

**** me, I was looking forward to that fight big time.

New World Order 02-23-2016 08:31 AM

Good for RDA, because Conor looks HUGE.

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New World Order 02-23-2016 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12094836)
RDA got hurt in training. The superfight is off. There is no God.

edit: the UFC is trying to find a replacement to keep Conor on the card. Edgar's team says he is injured and not available on short notice.

I assume since Conor was planning on making weight at 155 and its 11 days out, Conor won't be able to make 145 for a FW fight.



Nick Diaz or Pettis comes to mind.

alnorth 02-23-2016 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12094849)
Nick Diaz or Pettis comes to mind.

Cowboy is the other option being talked about as well, his team already said they want it. Cowboy or Diaz make the most sense to promote a PPV fight with no belt on the line, unless they want to make it an interim lightweight championship.

Jerm 02-23-2016 09:03 AM

I wonder if they might pull Conor and have him fight Lawler at UFC 200.....

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2016 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12094849)
Nick Diaz or Pettis comes to mind.

Love both, but Diaz would be very entertaining with the shit talking.

alnorth 02-23-2016 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12094893)
I wonder if they might pull Conor and have him fight Lawler at UFC 200.....

The plan for Conor is to have him stay as active as possible, fighting at least 4 times a year. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt, but he has to keep his FW belt active while fighting in other divisions.

Jerm 02-23-2016 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12094921)
The plan for Conor is to have him stay as active as possible, fighting at least 4 times a year. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt, but he has to keep his FW belt active while fighting in other divisions.

Right...but they need a big headline fight for UFC 200 and what better way to get the buzz started now than announce that fight.

alnorth 02-23-2016 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 12094926)
Right...but they need a big headline fight for UFC 200 and what better way to get the buzz started now than announce that fight.

They already planned for him to fight at 200 after 196. That is still probably the plan.

alnorth 02-23-2016 12:12 PM

The UFC offered Jose Aldo a rematch in 196, but he had to turn it down because he wasn't in shape. For a guy who so badly wants that rematch (which he may never get) and publicly called out the UFC for it, that seems to be a rather bad mistake. He needs to be in shape any time Conor is about to fight just in case an opportunity like this comes up.

alnorth 02-23-2016 12:29 PM

According to Kevin Iole, RDA still wanted to fight, and asked if he could use some kind of painkiller for the night of the fight, similar to what Pacquiao tried. Lorenzo Fertitta vetoed that option.

BigCatDaddy 02-23-2016 12:35 PM

Hemderson would be nice to have about now.

alnorth 02-23-2016 12:43 PM

Dana White confirmed that Conor will fight someone at 155. He's not sure yet if it'll be for an interim title.

Conor's reaction according to Dana:

Quote:

"When we told Conor, he said, 'Come on! This [expletive] guy! Oh my God! He's pulling out?' " White said. "But when we went through the options, he said he'd fight any of them.

"I swear to God, he said, 'I'll fight anyone.' He just doesn't give a [expletive]. People talk about this strained relationship between us and Conor, and he has a different style than I've ever seen, but I have never seen anyone like Conor. The closest was Chuck Liddell, but we've never had one like Conor. You think he's not hurt? But when he says he's going to fight, he's going to fight no matter what."

New World Order 02-23-2016 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12095238)
Dana White confirmed that Conor will fight someone at 155. He's not sure yet if it'll be for an interim title.

Conor's reaction according to Dana:


Give him Khabib. That would derail the hype train pretty quickly.

alnorth 02-23-2016 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12095357)
Give him Khabib. That would derail the hype train pretty quickly.

Khabib has been given a firm no, and he's already booked for a fight on FOX. Given that he hasn't fought in forever, he can't really complain.

Here's what Dana had to say about Khabib:

Quote:

"What are we going to do, Khabib hasn't fought in two years and we're going to bring him in to save the show? Besides, Khabib has a fight and we gave that to Fox. It's amazing, to be honest with you. All of these managers are out there jockeying and they say they want to fight Conor. You hear these guys screaming, 'Conor, Conor, Conor,' but then when it comes time to take a fight, they turn it down and they're hurt."

alnorth 02-23-2016 01:38 PM

According to Ariel Helwani, Cowboy hired Frank Dolce last night to try to get him down to 155 just in case.

New World Order 02-23-2016 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12095372)
Khabib has been given a firm no, and he's already booked for a fight on FOX. Given that he hasn't fought in forever, he can't really complain.

Here's what Dana had to say about Khabib:


THey will keep Khabib FAR away from Conor.

New World Order 02-23-2016 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12095378)
According to Ariel Helwani, Cowboy hired Frank Dolce last night to try to get him down to 155 just in case.


Please no.

Give him Pettis. He's ready.

alnorth 02-23-2016 03:13 PM

Its not 100% confirmed, but it looks like Nate Diaz got the fight.

alnorth 02-23-2016 03:56 PM

lol, one of Nate Diaz's friends is live tweeting the negotiations. Diaz doesn't want to fight at 155 (at least not for the money being offered) with this short of notice, and the UFC won't let McGregor fight at 165. 160 catchweight possible, or maybe the UFC goes to Cowboy if Diaz won't work.

Another problem is that even if Diaz stops smoking right now, he might not pass a test on the night of the fight.

alnorth 02-23-2016 05:11 PM

Sounds like the UFC has moved on to Cowboy. Diaz doesn't want to cut to 155 on less than 2 weeks notice, and there's not much time to get the THC out of his system so he would risk getting screwed by the NSAC like his brother. The Fox Sports twitter is now dropping Cowboy hints.

alnorth 02-23-2016 07:42 PM

Conor's opponent will be announced on SportsCenter at 11PM Eastern

edit: a lot of buzz that the UFC hammered out the details with Nate Diaz, not sure what to think anymore, we'll just have to see.

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:08 PM

Confirmed (Fox didn't wait for ESPN's stupid basketball coverage and tweeted it), Conor McGregor's next opponent hails from Stockton, CA

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:10 PM

The fight will be welterweight, 170 pounds

SPchief 02-23-2016 10:11 PM

170 lbs

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:15 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb87tdmUYAEBCW7.jpg

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:16 PM

The press conference will be hilarious.

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:19 PM

According to media: When Diaz said he couldn't make 155, the UFC suggested 160 catchweight. Diaz countered saying lets make it 165. When the UFC asked Conor, he basically said screw it, lets do welterweight.

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:23 PM

UFC thought it was a done deal at 165, it was completely Conor's idea to make it 170.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">... McGregor adds one more note:<br><br>&quot;Make it 170,&quot; he says. &quot;Tell him to get comfortable.&quot;<br><br>The fight is made. At welterweight. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ufc196?src=hash">#ufc196</a></p>&mdash; Ariel Helwani (@arielhelwani) <a href="https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/702347074252177408">February 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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BigCatDaddy 02-23-2016 10:24 PM

I think this is a bad match up for Conner. Diaz is a damn good boxer and should have a huge size and reach advantage

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:27 PM

3 inches in height, 2 inches in reach. Conor is very big at flyweight, but not so much at WW

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:28 PM

This will be the first time in the UFC since UFC 51 that a non-title fight headlined a PPV over a title fight.

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:32 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">****!</p>&mdash; Cowboy Cerrone (@Cowboycerrone) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cowboycerrone/status/702349957085278208">February 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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alnorth 02-23-2016 10:36 PM

According to Dana, Nate Diaz also signed a contract extension as part of taking the fight. He now has 5 fights left on his deal, no clue about the money.

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:46 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">. <a href="https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA">@thenotoriousmma</a> vs Nate Diaz Saturday March 5th on PPV!!!! <a href="https://t.co/76e6JGBeCS">pic.twitter.com/76e6JGBeCS</a></p>&mdash; Dana White (@danawhite) <a href="https://twitter.com/danawhite/status/702353201954168832">February 24, 2016</a></blockquote>
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TimBone 02-23-2016 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12096422)
I think this is a bad match up for Conner. Diaz is a damn good boxer and should have a huge size and reach advantage

The Diaz brothers are good boxers if the opponent plots around in front of them.

TimBone 02-23-2016 10:51 PM

How big is Connor usually, though? Welterweight is a big jump.

alnorth 02-23-2016 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12096463)
How big is Connor usually, though? Welterweight is a big jump.

He's 5'9". His ideal division is probably lightweight, but WW isn't a crazy stretch. He's not a big WW.


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