The Broncos weren't lucky?

That had to be the most fortunate set of events to lead to a SB that I've ever seen. Week 2, the pats(RS)/bengals/chargers/steelers(Playoffs) games. One of those goes the other way and the Broncos don't make it to the SB, more or less win. Not to mention they were relatively healthy throughout the season.

They were so ****ing close to losing that week 17 game and falling to a WC spot. That's why the "Peyton sucked last year" argument doesn't work. He's the only reason their season didn't fall apart in that game. He also did just enough in the playoffs to let their defense take care of the rest. Without Peyton they don't go all the way, so it's just not that simple

Without Peyton they also don't get Ware/Talib/Ward/Sanders, all of whom were key pieces in the SB. Getting him was a ridiculously huge boost that you're just completely ignoring.

I'm not going to pretend they didn't win, or deserve it, but to give Elway all that ****ing credit? No ****ing way.

Carl Peterson was fortunate. If Joe played a few more years we would probably have made a SB. The Chiefs have been littered with unfortunate occurrences the last few years.

1st pick in the worst class in years, tons of injuries to key players in both playoff trips?

It sucks but we've been forced to take the hard road.

Great points BlackOp. You need to go on NFL Network and set those guys straight.

Manning definitely made them a premier destination for free agents, no question about it

There you go again. No real rebuttal. Do you actually care to have a counter argument, or do you just want to keep pretending like you're this holder of knowledge that paradoxically has nothing to say?

John Elway went to five Super Bowls as a player and two more as an exec in the past five years.

It's gotta be luck.

First off, what the **** do his SB's as a player have to do with Elway the GM?

Second, when Peyton is the QB that gets you there, you are certainly fortunate in that regard. Before you mention how Peyton "sucked last year", I've already pointed out why that just doesn't make sense when you look at how things played out. Yea he did suck, but he also saved their ****ing season. Without Peyton, the Broncos lose week 17 and fall to a WC spot as opposed to the #1 seed.

One game was the difference between being a #1 seed and a WC spot. The Broncos walked a tight rope and came out on top. Bravo to them, but even shitty old Peyton gets more credit for that than Elway. I'm sorry.

RunKC and Staylor26 are the two biggest homers in Chiefsplanet history.

John Dorsey's urine cures cancer and brings World Peace while John Elway is just lucky.

lol, you are so convinced that Elway sucks as a GM and the Broncos won the SB due to luck that there's no point in arguing with you. Obviously you have not been on the planet very long or you'd realize how worn out the old "Broncos decline imminent, KC on the rise!!!!!" argument is.

You are no different than countless other KC fan posters who have proclaimed this since the inception of Chiefs Planet.

And, for the record, when Elway said he had to learn a lot about how to be a good NFL GM, that was 5 years ago! At least you can admit he's got 5 years of experience as an NFL executive as a foundation upon which to move forward as the Broncos GM.

Chiefsplanet: where Dane can leave his kids all day to post about how awesome his opinion is and then have temper tantrums with most of posters on the board that hates him anyway.

You pull this shit every now and then just so you don't look like a homer.

Saying Elway is the best in the NFL makes you sound like a ****ing Broncos homer. I'm not the one that's on the extreme end, that's you. I didn't say Elway sucks, or that everything he's accomplished is 100% due to luck. I'm just not going to go as far as to calling him the best, or pretend he doesn't have a huge obstacle in front of him to get the Broncos back to SB contention.

We've never seen him in this situation without an all-world QB sitting in free agency to come save the day and make him an instant contender. He hasn't proven that he can draft a QB with success, and Kubiak hasn't proved he can develop one. This isn't blind homerism or hatred, it's simply the truth.

FTR Elway has been one of the best GM's in football, but I am interested to see what he can do without a HOF QB moving forward.

Tim Tebow says hi.

Were the Chiefs not clearly the better team in the two games we played last year?

Like I said, it's our problem, but let's not pretend the Chiefs didn't have key injuries at several positions that kept them from being able to get another shot at Broncos in the playoffs.

You won the SB. Congrats. Doesn't change the fact that we were the better team when healthy, and the division will be ours this year, and anybody with a ****ing clue can see it.

I call you a homer and you attack my character?

What the **** is wrong with you?

And for your information, I have a 101 degree fever and have had a wicked flu bug since Friday that I'm still fighting.

But hey, thanks for showing your ass and your true self.

Kudos.