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DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9269305)
SD is looking for a classic GM/HC situation. They want their GM hired before a HC. If Reid wants personnel control, that removes SD from the equation.
Right. But so far, there's no indication that Reid is demanding personnel control.

Either way, I've heard from a good source that they're targeting Arians as their #1 guy.

Messier 01-02-2013 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9269296)
But he didn't lie. He hasn't said anything. He just has't fired the absolute worst GM in football. See it how you want - I'll do the same. In my opinion there is nothing good about Pioli still being around.
I'm just saying, Hunt won't save himself from fan rage by waiting a few months to let Pioli settle in, and he knows that. If Hunt knew Pioli was coming back, in any role, he would've just said so.

RunKC 01-02-2013 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9269312)
Right. But so far, there's no indication that Reid is demanding personnel control.

Either way, I've heard from a good source that they're targeting Arians as their #1 guy.
Well Reid had final say in Philly all those years. Why would he let that go now? He has an ego just like any other big NFL coach who's had success.

BradBigglestein 01-02-2013 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 9269257)
Was the Vick decision his or the GM's?

Why does his OLine suck so bad? Is it scheme, or just no talent due to GM?
The Vick decision was apparently his. No one knows for sure, but that is what was agreed upon publicly by the organization. He had to sell Jeff Lurie on it, but Lurie was fine with giving him a chance.

The line was good last year. This year it sucked because they lost Jason Peters who was a top 3 lineman last year, lost Todd Herremans this year, lost Jason Kelce this year. A ton of injuries. Also Danny Watkins our former first round pick sucks. That is on Reid, he gives the final say in personnel and it was a bad pick.

So it is a mix. Lacking talent, injuries.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9269309)
:facepalm:
You do not understand what I was getting at.

Ask Dane. He was very optimistic about this team during training camp.

Just like a lot of us.

DaneMcCloud 01-02-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 9269316)
Well Reid had final say in Philly all those years. Why would he let that go now? He has an ego just like any other big NFL coach who's had success.
And see how well it worked out? Not only for him but his mentor Mike Holmgren? Or even Shanahan?

It's extremely rare when a man can be both head coach and the final decision maker on personnel and be successful, year in and year out.

I seriously doubt Arizona or KC or any other franchise is going to hand over absolute power to Andy Reid, especially given the way his tenure in Philly just ended.

Chief Roundup 01-02-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 9269300)
My question about Reid is should we really be pursuing him to be our coach? In some ways I think we might be better off if we identify the next assistant coach who could end up being a great fit for the organization and who exudes leadership and has a plan to bring in the best coordinators he can.

I'm looking at the list of Super Bowl winning coaches since 1981, and 14 of the 20 won the Super Bowl with their first NFL team as a head coach. Only 6 were on their second stints (Shanarat, Vermeil, Gruden, Belichick, Dungy, and Coughlin) and outside of Gruden, who probably could have won the SB had he stayed in Oakland that one year, the other guys all inherited, drafted, or lucked into HOF QB's (assuming Eli Manning ends up in the HOF and you believe that Kurt Warner is a HOF player).

Is Reid going to be in that group of 6, and who is going to be his potential HOF QB? Or should we be looking at the HC position like we do the QB position, and try to get one who starts it here rather than tries to import what he did elsewhere here?

I know it didn't work out with Haley, but that was Pioli making the hire on his own. I think we need to take another swing at it, while making sure whoever we hire has true leadership and delegation skills, is not a control freak like Haley was, and is a sharp football mind. I would pass on Reid...
Reid is one of a few that meets what Clark stated he wanted. I don't think the next assistant coach is going to meet those wants.

DJ's left nut 01-02-2013 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Straight, No Chaser (Post 9269310)
Many Cards fans are not excited about Reid, his lack of recent success for one. I think Micheal Bidwell will work hard to sign Reid ASAP (maybe tonight) and try to keep Horton on as coordinator.
Ha...good luck with that one, Bill's kid.

If Horton gets passed over as HC, someone will hire him to be the top dog. Hell, Buffalo would be a good fit, presuming they don't go hard after Lovie. SD might be looking for a different type of coach as well; Horton might be a nice fit there to instill a more aggressive attitude after such a laid back rube in Norv.

Nah, I can't see any way Bidwell is able to keep Horton, if for no other reason than Horton is going to want to interview elsewhere and Reid is going to want to get his staff in place and is not going to want to wait for the owner's hand-picked DC to make up his mind.

TEX 01-02-2013 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9269308)
The Chiefs have a number of holes that can't be filled in one offseason. Their defense is in major flux and they need help not only on the defensive line but ILB and safety. They have issues at WR, LT, QB and TE and need depth everywhere.

Arizona's defense has played well. There's no question about their scheme. The help they need, outside of QB, can be easily upgraded in the draft. They're much closer to competing.

The 2013 Chiefs are the 2008 Chiefs before the draft. What happens this April will have a huge impact over the next four years. They're teetering on the brink of being irrelevant for four more years if they **** up.
BAM! - EXACTLY This.
Back to the future ....just might be without the Flux Capacitor..

siberian khatru 01-02-2013 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 9269300)
My question about Reid is should we really be pursuing him to be our coach? In some ways I think we might be better off if we identify the next assistant coach who could end up being a great fit for the organization and who exudes leadership and has a plan to bring in the best coordinators he can.

I'm looking at the list of Super Bowl winning coaches since 1981, and 14 of the 20 won the Super Bowl with their first NFL team as a head coach. Only 6 were on their second stints (Shanarat, Vermeil, Gruden, Belichick, Dungy, and Coughlin) and outside of Gruden, who probably could have won the SB had he stayed in Oakland that one year, the other guys all inherited, drafted, or lucked into HOF QB's (assuming Eli Manning ends up in the HOF and you believe that Kurt Warner is a HOF player).

Is Reid going to be in that group of 6, and who is going to be his potential HOF QB? Or should we be looking at the HC position like we do the QB position, and try to get one who starts it here rather than tries to import what he did elsewhere here?

I know it didn't work out with Haley, but that was Pioli making the hire on his own. I think we need to take another swing at it, while making sure whoever we hire has true leadership and delegation skills, is not a control freak like Haley was, and is a sharp football mind. I would pass on Reid...

I don't think Clark has confidence in his ability to identify a relative no-name, up-and-comer. Pioli was the biggest GM name on the market, and he hired him and gave him full control. Now he's talking about hiring the biggest HC name on the market and giving him full control.

That doesn't look like a risk-taker.

ILChief 01-02-2013 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BradBigglestein (Post 9269317)
The Vick decision was apparently his. No one knows for sure, but that is what was agreed upon publicly by the organization. He had to sell Jeff Lurie on it, but Lurie was fine with giving him a chance.

The line was good last year. This year it sucked because they lost Jason Peters who was a top 3 lineman last year, lost Todd Herremans this year, lost Jason Kelce this year. A ton of injuries. Also Danny Watkins our former first round pick sucks. That is on Reid, he gives the final say in personnel and it was a bad pick.

So it is a mix. Lacking talent, injuries.
Well Vick was brought in to back up Mcnabb and kolb

ChiefMojo 01-02-2013 03:32 PM
The situation we are in right now, trying to sell the fanbase a assistant coach is pretty damn hard to do. Not only that we aren't in a situation where we can hand the reigns over to someone that is learning on the job.

This new HC role will be someone of power. They will make decisions just as much as the GM. They will report directly to Clark, not the GM. Basically we will be hiring a GM that works hand and hand to what the HC wants. We need someone with experience to fix this mess! That is why we are after Andy Reid. Is he perfect? Hell no, but he has proven to be a winner and fits exactly the role that Clark Hunts wants in his next head coach. Unless he can convince Bill Cowher to come, your looking only at a handful of other guys capable of fitting the role described... guys like Holmgren, Gruden, Billick, etc.

TEX 01-02-2013 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 9269320)
You do not understand what I was getting at.

Ask Dane. He was very optimistic about this team during training camp.

Just like a lot of us.
Oh - Ok....

ToxSocks 01-02-2013 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 9269308)
The Chiefs have a number of holes that can't be filled in one offseason. Their defense is in major flux and they need help not only on the defensive line but ILB and safety. They have issues at WR, LT, QB and TE and need depth everywhere.

Arizona's defense has played well. There's no question about their scheme. The help they need, outside of QB, can be easily upgraded in the draft. They're much closer to competing.

The 2013 Chiefs are the 2008 Chiefs before the draft. What happens this April will have a huge impact over the next four years. They're teetering on the brink of being irrelevant for four more years if they **** up.
Once again, because you are a Chiefs fan, you can sit there and call out all of our holes, but i dont believe for a second that a 4-12 football team is in much better shape than a 2-16 team.

No, the Cardinals aren't much closer to competing. You of all people know that the QB makes the biggest difference, and we are in a better spot to land the top prospect.

You can't sit there and shrug off the Cardinal's needs and say they are an easy fix while saying our needs are difficult to fix, when in fact, they are just as easy to fill.

BigMeatballDave 01-02-2013 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9269311)
No, you're trying to be funny, and failing miserably.

90% of this board thought this team was winning 10+ games, but feel free to crucify one guy over it.
Being funny?

I said I thought they had the talent to win 10.

I confessed my mistake week 2.


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