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Sassy Squatch 02-10-2025 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17963071)
I mean it's a designed shot play. Kelce's whole job is to put the safety in conflict and that's exactly what happened. Nobody else is even running a route to speak of.

That's a simple high/low 2-man game and the throw is based on the safety.

The safety sunk on Kelce -- as soon as that happens, the ball HAS to come out. Complete or not, the odds of a pick are damn near zero.

Like I said in the GDT -- Mahomes wasn't running the offense. That play is a perfect example of it. That play design got him the look, we KNOW he saw the look...then he pulled it down and freelanced for really no reason at all.

He was bad Sunday -- no two ways about it. Nobody helped him out much, but it was obviously different than the Bucs Super Bowl. His team killed him that night and he was the only thing that was working.

On Sunday, he was as big a part of the problem as anyone.

He exacerbated it to an insurmountable degree. Looked like early 2024 Mahomes where he'd play gunshy for most of the game only to yeet an inexplicably bad ball that got picked.

DJ's left nut 02-10-2025 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17963080)
A mental reset was needed. The players have a long offseason to think about it.

Hopefully they use it as motivation.

If I see Kelce come back with another gut though, I’ll be concerned.

Has to start with your leaders.

You wish there wouldn't have been that 2 week break.

I think they came up for air a bit after making it to the SB. And the fact that they've been running on grit and adrenaline finally hit them.

It was like 19 weeks worth of pressure all impacted them at once. As they were in-season, they seemed to be able to tune it out because there was always the next job and the next step.

I just wonder if that extra break didn't suddenly make that burden they've carried start to feel really really heavy.

Something has to explain going out there and looking as bad as they've looked at any time in the Mahomes era.

smithandrew051 02-10-2025 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17963094)
You wish there wouldn't have been that 2 week break.

I think they came up for air a bit after making it to the SB. And the fact that they've been running on grit and adrenaline finally hit them.

It was like 19 weeks worth of pressure all impacted them at once. As they were in-season, they seemed to be able to tune it out because there was always the next job and the next step.

I just wonder if that extra break didn't suddenly make that burden they've carried start to feel really really heavy.

Something has to explain going out there and looking as bad as they've looked at any time in the Mahomes era.

Yeah, you’d think some time off would help these older guys. But look at the results.

Offense starts to really show some life against the Steelers. They get time off. Then they look lost against Houston in the playoffs.

Offense again shows some life against Buffalo in a strong Mahomes performance. They get time off. Then they look lost against the Eagles.

Wisconsin_Chief 02-10-2025 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17963094)
You wish there wouldn't have been that 2 week break.

I think they came up for air a bit after making it to the SB. And the fact that they've been running on grit and adrenaline finally hit them.

It was like 19 weeks worth of pressure all impacted them at once. As they were in-season, they seemed to be able to tune it out because there was always the next job and the next step.

I just wonder if that extra break didn't suddenly make that burden they've carried start to feel really really heavy.

Something has to explain going out there and looking as bad as they've looked at any time in the Mahomes era.

I think you are absolutely spot freaking on. You could just see it Mahomes' eyes. He just cracked mentally, and who in the living hell could blame him? On top of being completely outmanned by a far superior roster, he had basically 7 years worth of pressure all hit him at once. The magnitude of what he was trying to accomplish finally clicked in. Once that happened, it was basically already over.

Same with CJ, you saw it a few times on the sideline. They just couldn't take it anymore, and the Eagles were playing completely loose with absolutely nothing to lose. The results speak for themselves.

Chiefshrink 02-10-2025 04:13 PM

Mahomes has never trusted his o-line all year long, and now on the biggest stage against a superior d-line, he's going to overthink it and second guess and not take the shots, and not clearly see the secondary in front of him and throw pics. What you saw from Pat Mahomes last night was the fact that he was human and he had very little confidence even before the game started, and it only worsened as the game went on.

Chiefshrink 02-10-2025 04:16 PM

Heck, I'll go on the record and say that Mahomes has never really trusted any O line in front of him since starting.

BWillie 02-10-2025 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 17963278)
Heck, I'll go on the record and say that Mahomes has never really trusted any O line in front of him since starting.

This is why I fear he may not age well. He relies on his quick twitch escape abilities rather than elite pocket presence. Mahomes has the fastest times for the agility and quickness drills at the combine despite a slow 40 time.

Hammock Parties 02-10-2025 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17963109)
Yeah, you’d think some time off would help these older guys. But look at the results.

Offense starts to really show some life against the Steelers. They get time off. Then they look lost against Houston in the playoffs.

Offense again shows some life against Buffalo in a strong Mahomes performance. They get time off. Then they look lost against the Eagles.

They were NOT lost against Houston. They scored on 5 of 7 drives. 4.3 YPC and 7.1 YPA.

Time off wasn't a factor.

rocknrolla 02-10-2025 04:52 PM

As long as Spags is here, Bolton will be here. So I Hope a long time.

DJ's left nut 02-10-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17963283)
They were NOT lost against Houston. They scored on 5 of 7 drives. 4.3 YPC and 7.1 YPA.

Time off wasn't a factor.

Yeah -- I don't think the Chiefs offense was as good as you seemed to be trying to convince yourself of (presumably to talk yourself into Thuney at LT) but they never felt like they were just completely out of sorts.

They just seemed like they were trying to get by with a limited gameplan against a tough pass rush. And ultimately Houston gave them Kelce so they took it. They spammed an easy button.

This game was different. And I don't think it was specifically the time off -- I think it was the time with little to do where the gravity of the situation finally landed. They'd been able to ignore the weight of history all season because it was still largely hypothetical. And then for two weeks there it was, right in front of them.

And they can say all they want that "the job wasn't finished" but I think they put so much drive and focus into getting to the SB and the chance for the 3-peat that the time off before just allowed some of those pressures to sink in.

MahomesMagic 02-10-2025 06:24 PM

Spags got Veach to resign Anthony Hitchens so I’m sure he will be pushing for Bolton.


Just bad cap management to overpay an off ball linebacker not great in coverage.

Gary Cooper 02-10-2025 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17963280)
This is why I fear he may not age well. He relies on his quick twitch escape abilities rather than elite pocket presence. Mahomes has the fastest times for the agility and quickness drills at the combine despite a slow 40 time.

Yes. Guys like Brady or Manning had no mobility but they would step up more in the pocket rather than get happy feet and look to run. Being more mobile can be a hindrance at times when you try to bail early on pockets.

lcarus 02-10-2025 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17963062)
Worthy was covered on the long TD. He caught that ball because he got that extra step right at the end of the play. It CAN be done, Pat just needs to let it rip.

I can't remember them trying it much the entire season other than a couple times. Like why not? You drafted the fastest guy in combine history and you have Patrick Mahomes. I thought the entire point was to stretch the field and threaten the defense vertically. I get that teams played 2 deep safeties a lot and our protection was ass almost every snap. Even still, I expected to see it more than we did.

seamonster 02-10-2025 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17962869)
First off, great ****ing coverage from Quinyon Mitchell here.

But yes Mahomes should have taken the shot. If anything it would have forced Fangio to adjust

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LOL fangio's not adjusting. That's not what he does. And that's not man defense, that's zone-match. The defensive back matches with the receiver when he runs vertical and their nickle back handles underneath routes in zone and the safety is supposed to provide help over the top but he's too shallow trying to cover Kelce. This was a massive **** up by Mahomes and exemplifies why the Eagles defense isn't the end-all-be-all that people make it out to be. Those safeties and their linebackers can be had. Their rookies had it too easy too.

comochiefsfan 02-10-2025 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17963082)
The Eagles did it multiple times on the outside. And beat McDuffie, one of the best in the game, doing it. Sometimes you have to trust your WRs to go get the ball. Other teams do it, Mahomes just doesn't.

It's like Pat wants his guys to be college wide open or else he doesn't throw it.

Maybe playing with Tyreek and prime Kelce spoiled him a bit as they were often college wide open.

He needs to adjust his expectations a bit and realize that if Worthy is one on one and even with a corner he has got to let it rip and let him go make a play.


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