I think the point is that some of us wouldn't evaluate Williams as jammed into any group but the top 4 or 5 WRs. If people are saying they think he's much of a muchness with, I dunno, Burks, Pickens or Moore or Dotson, I think that's wrong. That's why we're anticipating the possible need to go up - he's not there at the end of the 1st.

I don't mind people wanting to go up for DE say. I just don't think going up for a Jermaine Johnson is a world-beater move and moving up for Williams is a bad one. People HAVE made out that it's a disaster going up for him. It sounds like people have mellowed on that position a bit and I think that's right.

If Williams is truly healthy enough to be separated from the other 4-5 guys in the group, then he's not going to be available. We'd have to trade up into the teens to get him.

People need to understand that the only way Williams falls far enough for a trade to be feasible means he HASN'T separated from those guys enough, probably due to his injury, so in no case, does taking Williams really make sense.

If he's healthy and ready to play, he's a top 15 pick. If he's not, he's not really worth taking at 29 or 30, let alone trading up.

I don't mind Williams redshirting the 1st month of the season, the most meaningless part of the season, so long as he's healthy and ready to go by mid season.

His injury isn't what concerns me.

My concern about Williams is his lack of play strength. He's not great at beating press, and you don't really see any film of him making strong, contested catches. I don't know how strong he or isn't at the point of attack. I've seen some film of him getting absolutely blasted in the run game though.

None of these receiver prospects are perfect. And there's real concern about Williams' physicality.

6-2" 189 lbs is a thin build, and corners can reroute and disrupt guys like that.

What gets me is that people get SO ENTRENCHED that when Veach inevitably does something different they'll actively root for the move to fail, so they can thump their chest about how right they were.

I just think Metchie is the same guy basically, only he's healed and will be ready to go day one.

The initial allure to Jameson Williams is that he was likely to drop a bit in the draft because of the injury and we wouldn’t normally have that kind of talent drop to us because we are constantly drafting at the tail end of the first. Because of that, a lot of us starting putting him under the microscope and really liked what we saw. That has changed in the last couple months and has morphed into trading up with multiple premium picks to go get him. That’s kind of where a lot of us are hitting pause. And I think the kids going to be great.

Im ok moving up to get him and if what it takes is using both years comp picks from Poles to do so, let’s go. That’s a third this year snd a third next year as my MAX. I won’t bitch loan and complain if we spend more than that…but I think you can fix the WR spot by staying out and drafting a combination of 2 of the following

Treylon Burks
Skyy Moore
Calvin Austin
Dotson
Pickens
Tolbert
Watson
Pierce
Metchie (also recovering from ACL injury in champ game)
Shakir
Ross
Doubs
Ross
Bell
Robinson

He tore his ACL on December 4th.

My mistake-I was confusing with Pickens, whom I also like a lot and will likely go in the 2nd round.

Totally agree, especially the bolded part.

we have been linked to pickens for awhile... I think he's the wideout most likely to end up on the chiefs if we go that way.

probably just a contract negotiating tactic (deebo deleting 49ers related info from his social media)
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Williams' speed is different. I like Pickens, amazing hands, super aggressive. Don't hate Metchie either. But Williams has a different level of speed imo.

Again, think this is bang on, if I'm pausing on that pick it's only for these reasons.

This is a legitimate question because I don't know the answer.

Devonta Smith was also viewed as too slight of build. He just put up 900+ yards as a rookie. We'll see if he can maintain that production, but if he can still produce in the NFL at that size what's to say Williams can't do the same?

A WR whose primary asset is his speed coming off of an ACL injury… it just seems too risky.

ACL injuries aren’t what they were 10 years ago.

And he’s way ahead of schedule. Dude looks like one of those freaks who will have a ridiculously fast recovery.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Veach and the scouts will look at all this and determine if it is important or not.

Then again swing and a miss on DK Metcalf with their analysis

What I would like most from this thread is removing the big ass font first post about Sorenson. I would prefer not seeing his name every time I see this thread unless it reads... SAINTS ARE SUCKERS AND SIGNED SORENSON

Ask and ye shall receive.

I'm sure someone on here has already pointed this out but...

Looking at some of the top WRs currently in the league, a team does not have to draft really early to get a really good one. Hopefully Brett Veach and scouting staff are able to draft a quality receiver with 1-29. (or 1-30 or 2-50 or 2-62 or ...)

DAVANTE ADAMS, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS (2-53)
COOPER KUPP, LOS ANGELES RAMS (3-69)
DEEBO SAMUEL, SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS (2-36)
JUSTIN JEFFERSON, MINNESOTA VIKINGS (1-22)
JA’MARR CHASE, CINCINNATI BENGALS (1-5)
CEEDEE LAMB, DALLAS COWBOYS (1-17)
STEFON DIGGS, BUFFALO BILLS (5-146)
TYREEK HILL, MIAMI DOLPHINS (5-165)
TEE HIGGINS, CINCINNATI BENGALS (2-33)
HUNTER RENFROW, LAS VEGAS RAIDERS (5-149)
D.K. METCALF, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (2-64)
TYLER LOCKETT, SEATTLE SEAHAWKS (3-69)
CHRIS GODWIN, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS (3-84)
A.J. BROWN, TENNESSEE TITANS (2-51)
TERRY MCLAURIN, WASHINGTON COMMANDERS (3-76)
MICHAEL PITTMAN JR., INDIANAPOLIS COLTS (2-34)
DEANDRE HOPKINS, ARIZONA CARDINALS (1-27)
JAYLEN WADDLE, MIAMI DOLPHINS (1-6)
MIKE WILLIAMS, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS (1-7)
KEENAN ALLEN, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS (3-76)
MIKE EVANS, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS (1-7)
BRANDIN COOKS, HOUSTON TEXANS (1-20)
DEVONTA SMITH, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES (1-10)
DARNELL MOONEY, CHICAGO BEARS (5-173)
AMON-RA ST. BROWN, DETROIT LIONS (4-112)

I mean you kind of have to get lucky. Look at the list of non-firsts that bust it is very long.



That said I still like Christian Watson

Then he's a top 15 pick and out of reach...

Too risky to trade up for, I agree.

CP needs to just drop the Williams topic all together. At some point it just becomes toxic. Like Tyran wanting 15 million toxic.

I hope we trade up to see your reaction lol

Ok, we'll throw Williams in there with DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin and Kareem Hunt as players we're no longer allowed to discuss because reasons.

If you wish to do it that way.

Nik Bonitto (pick 29) + George Pickens (pick 30) is the answer. But to be honest, there will be a stud corner there that would be BPA in all likelihood. Being Veach is really good at sniping CB's off the garbage pile and turning them into gold, Pickens and Bonnito make more sense. (also like Arnald Ebiketie.)

Prove me wrong, friends. :thumb:

I'm just laughing at the fact that we're all of a sudden ruling out players to be discussed for some odd reason.

I like George Pickens. If the Chiefs took him at 30 i'd be excited. I think he's a day 2 prospect, but i'd rather they pick him at the end of the 1st then trade up in the 2nd. (Edited from previous opinion)

I don't how you could like George Pickens and not like Williams though. Pickens has the same concerns as Williams, except he doesn't have the elite speed to fall back on.

And I agree, i think CB has a very strong likely hood of being picked in round 1.

Don't forget about Tyler Lockett!

But seriously... **** everybody who has ever whined about not having Tyler Lockett.

I guess feel free to talk about that stud WR out of AL but he's probably going in the top 15 and it won't be us selecting him. That much is very clear. I don't even believe Dotson will be there either. There's going to be a huge run on WR's in the first so Pickens at 30 isn't high IMO.

In the event there is not a huge run on WR in the first, you nailed it. It's better to get Pickens at 30 than trade up in the second. In the second we can get a stud corner and DT. Then we have the the rest of the draft to go bargain shopping, maximize value. We need depth all over so we almost can't go wrong. Very exciting.

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My optimistic takeaway: You see? His brain is so CTEd he wants to play for the Texans!

Cooks has given up.

Take the money and shut up. -Texans

lol



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Yeah and Pickens is a little bigger and more physical. I think any of the 3 ends up a pro bowler with Mahomes throwing to them as long as they stay healthy and run the right route.

Any of the sub 4.4 guys have questions. Their floor each is probably MVS. That includes Williams, who is slight of build and may have trouble with press coverage in the NFL. Then again, he may not. Let's not get too bent out of shape quite yet.

My reaction will be the same as it has been since they drafted Mahomes. They've earned every bit of my trust, even if I don't always see things the same way they do.

I do like that QB Mills for the Texans though. Kid is good and took over under terrible circumstances. I heard Watson tried to get him to work a spasm out of his lower back then his towel fell off. Crazy stuff.

I think there's a good gap between them, and on the point of Mahomes making everyone better i think Detoxing has already expressed a position i agree with. I'd be quite a bit more confident in Williams but Pickens could no doubt be an excellent player.

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George Pickens Is growing on me .

Might wanna get that checked out, sounds painful. Is it a life sized version, or a smaller teacup version??

So glad we got Juju and MVS at deals instead of blowing our wad paying $20 million on players that don’t deserve it.

I’d rather draft one at this point

Helluva talent. And he's an asshole. One thing that stood out to me about this is how salty the DB's play him. He seems to have a lot of plays with a little extra something-something at the end, and i love that shit. Good trait as a WR imo.

And of course his incredible body control and NFL level twitch and speed that should be obvious to everyone.

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-George Pickens was once slated as the #1 WR in the country. Him getting hurt is the only reason we have a shot at him.

-Nik Bonnito is a top 5 pass rusher in this draft, the most productive over the last two years. He can also step in that third LB spot next to Bolton and Gay. He did it all at Oklahoma.

I promise you they'd both contribute day 1. You seem to forget how pathetic our edge rushers were for much of last season and how JAGgy our WR2 and WR3 were. We pretty much have those spots filled. Pickens has elite ability and all the makings of a legit #1, outside of some polishing on his routes. Beast on contested balls though.

Count me in on wanting this guy!

I’ve been driving the George Pickens bandwagon since January.

Hop on board!

Wonder if we could trade up for a DE and then trade back with the other first to pick up both Pickens and Watson? That would really round out the WR room.

I make no judgment in terms of either of these players. I've always thought Pickens looked extremely interesting as a super physical X receiver for this team.

I forget nothing about last season's WR and DE mediocrity. I was responding to your saying that what led us to Bolton and Humphrey is the key to this draft, and that couldn't be further from the truth.

End of the day I trust Veach and the process. But if we're through round 2 and don't have a DE and WR to be excited about, I'm genuinely frightened.

Good stuff, they may have one of the two.

Garett Wilson is officially getting Chase hype. Same height, same 40, very similar play style. Plus this bit of smoke and mirrors. Hard to see us trading up that high. I'd be good with it. Gotta keep Mahomes happy.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/...l-draft-trade/

Veach makes a blockbuster deal with Detroit. Jags pass on Aidan Hutchinson for Neal and Veach gives up both firsts and both 2nds to make it happen.

OR

Jags take Hutchinson and then deal us Josh Allen for one of the firsts.

Pickens is growing on me. I just don’t like that Georgia doesn’t develop their damn receivers like Bama. It really shows in the draft prospects.

Love his hands and attitude.

Didn’t want to take him in the first but I wouldn’t mind at 30. Jameson will be gone and he’s next best IMO

Pickens plays with more physicality and more tenacity than Williams. His build and play speed remind me of Justin Jefferson.

I feel like you can see the extra 10lbs that Pickens is carrying over Williams, and MY ideal WR is 200-210 lbs, so that's a check box for me.

Just take back to back receivers with our two picks.



It's the dumbest thing ever but it's the only way I'll be satisfied. One of them will work out and it's too important not to. Screw DE we'll make it work.

Gonna be hard to "make it work" when we don't even have enough DE's on the roster to play a game right now.

That means **** the defense just let them keep on sucking balls.

That's why I believe the Chiefs will trade back in 2nd round in this draft and stock up a 2nd for 2023 too. Veach will make all his moves in the 2nd to 3rd round to fill the roster.

There's really only room for 1 more WR acquisition. I expect they'll make it count.

My bet is he ends up in Green Bay. Sucks that they have a need for a WR and have 2 #1's also, which happen to be higher than ours. :banghead:

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Your satisfaction is irrelevant.

This team has too many needs to take back to back WRs in the 1st.

They can draft one in the first 2 rounds and draft another in the 3rd or 4th.

I don’t know why people continue to hit the panic button when we have a ton of picks to work with.

McLaurin is a nice piece, but he’s similar to Juju in many ways and will be expensive.

I’m comfortable with us not making any more moves till after the draft.

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I’m out on Watson in the 1st after seeing his awful drop rate.

It was already a bit of a reach based on a projection.

Yip

Justin Reid's contract is downright toxic.-Honey Badger

Seriously, it's all about what falls at #29 spot, because it seems that Veach doesn't give a **** concerning the 1st round picks but is more intuned collecting early round picks to manipulate 2022 picks and future selections in 2023.

Guys, you have to take into account forthcoming drafts because the Chiefs will be in the exact same draft range for the next 8-10 years BECAUSE MAHOMES

McLaurin has OK QB's throwing to him and he seems to produce. Washington would be smart to keep him.

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DGAF I want to get paid mentality

Would love to have Deebo, he’s such a bad ass. But **** giving him 30 plus.

I guess I missed him leading SF to the SB and title. Oh, that's right, he didn't because WR's don't lead teams to titles.

Pass rush Pass rush Pass rush

Enough with all the WR talk......

No shit. We can draft one but pass rush is a massive issue and will be if we don't do something. Same old shit. Games are all on Patrick with the defense just out there giving him a short breather.

Chiefs did bring GA DT Wyatt in for a visit. Not a chance he makes it to 29 but definately worth a visit. The guy is very freakish like Chris Jones.

That's if Veach gets a wild hair up his ass if Andy isn't there to slap his hand reaching for the phone and stick to the selection loading strategy for next year too.

Well, KC does not win that SB without WASP.

This really screams "moneyball". When everyone else is overpaying for WR's find FA value elsewhere and load up on WR's in the draft.

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