When you get suspended for it, then yes it does make you a bad teammate.

Not even close. Kelce's antics aren't even remotely of the same nature. Quite frankly, the shit about Kelce is waaaaay overblown.

Kelce is a jokester on the field. He's an entertainer. And that's where it ends. I hate it that people try to bring up Kelce when discussing players with poor character.

Didn't Kelce get ejected from a game? Is he a bad teammate who should be shipped out?

Kelce was ejected for arguing with a ref over an obvious blown call.

ODB was targeting a player and attempting to concuss them.

Yeah, totally ****ing similar.

Not to mention the Steelers are showing interest in Darrius Guice.

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...raft-2018-news

The reason why Travis gets brought up is because some folks seem to have double standards. Peters was labeled a "problem" and Kelce is labeled a "jockster" even though both pretty much done the same things on the field.

Even Elway isn’t that dumb.

He was a bad teammate when he threw his towel at the ref and got ejected, yes.

Hasn't Kelce gotten personal foul penalties for stuff afte the whistle?

Exactly. It’s not that hard of a discussion lol.

He threw a towel at the ref, stop trying to downgrade what Kelce did. Also, Odell and Norman had been fighting all game, hardly an arrestable offense and it's not like he's done anything close to that since.

No, they didn't pretty much do the same things on the field.

So he should be shipped out?

He threw a towel in the refs direction after the ref flagged him for arguing about the non-call.

That poor, poor ref. Imagine if that towel would've hit him? He could've been concussed!

Yeah, my bad, Travis cost the team way more than Peters did.

Nah, he threw a towel AT the ref. And btw, was Norman concussed? NO!!!, the guy didn't even flinch ROFL

I'd say probably not.

The team believed in the personality of one immensely talented player and not the other.

Care to explain why?

I'm a fan of Marcus Peters. He was my second favorite Chief behind only Berry. I was pissed to see him traded.

But i'm not delusional either. Comparing Peters attitude to Kelce's is ridiculous. As evidenced by the team's decision, and lack of capital gained from the trade.

So the same standards should apply to Odell then.

Does it even ****ing matter if he was hurt? Intent is all that matters.

Trying to compare Kelce to OBD is stupid, and every time you try to justify it you just look dumber.

Go ahead and point out to me where I've said the Giants should ship out OBJ.

Well Bob Sutton may have had an issue with him, but his teammates were pissed about the trade according to Terez Paylor. The fact is people love to label certain players "problem child's" whilst giving a pass to others. And all I want to see is a level playing field, that's all.

So his battle with Norman means he should be labeled a "troublemaker" for the rest of his career? Are you fucking serious? Get real!! ROFL

It's stuff like that though, why it's always hard for me to comment about a dude's "off field". We as fans really have no clue what goes on behind closed doors.

Right?

Im all about players like OBJ and Marcus Peters. Hell, i wanted Talib on this team.

But i accept that the team knows far, far more about their player's personality than i do.

So if they decide that that personality is combustible with a large contract, then so be it.

I may not agree with it because it always sucks to lose a talented player, but some players are rentals until they wear out their welcome. Like a Talib or a Terrell Owens.

Aren't you defending those who label Odell a headcase and a problem child though? :hmmm:

As talented as Odell is and as much production as he's put out there, if they're willing to trade him, somethings amiss.

I don't think these teams are as dumb as they appear sometimes.

I didn't label him anything. I really don't give a rat's ass about OBJ or anything NY related.

If he's a trouble maker then so be it. I have no idea.

My argument is that Kelce is NOT a trouble maker, and trying to conflate his actions with some of these other guys is beyond reeruned.

But let me guess, you think i have some double standard because Kelce is white, right? :rolleyes:

I think we're a little easier on Kelce because he's a chief, not because he's white.

Different kind of tribalism LOL.

Well, us fans thought a multiple All-Pro should be worth at least a 1st. The entire NFL basically told us that we're ****ing morons.

So yeah, i think they're aware of things that we're clearly not privy to.

That didn't save Peters.

You can pretend like he isn't but anyone with half a brain can see the guy has had issues.

Wasn't Kelce suspended a half in SD because he had a new years party in his room or something a few years ago?

Not sure where you're headed here?

I'm pretty sure it was the anthem stuff that sunk Peters. If it was just the on field issues, I don't think fans would have cared as much.

It's pretty much insinuated right here.

And yes buggerdude, im sure there were some teammates that were mad about Peters being traded. You swear like Marcus had no friends on the team.

Well, you're the one bringing up race, which says a lot about your mindset, not mine. Secondly the fact is Kelce HAS had various problems In his time with KC when it comes to self-discipline, just like Peters did. Yet one was shipped out and called a "problem" and the other was kept on without a word said. The different standards are clear whether you want to admit it or not.

So the Peters stuff was racial? I'm not following I suppose.

The anthem stuff was fuel to the fire. But he was getting shit before the anthem stuff. And it was the poor tackling effort (at times, even that was overblown) that people really ripped him for.

And then leaving the field even though he wasn't ejected. The tantrums....there was a lot for people to focus on.

No.

I think that says more about said "problems" than standards.

Peters was arguably a better player than Kelce and yet was still traded for not a lot.

Probably says theres a lot of shit we don't know about there.

uh, huh. Right. :rolleyes:

Go ahead then. Explain to me why you think they're treated differently by pretty much everyone. The fan base and the league.

He's had maturity issues like many young men have had. That doesn't mean he's a bad teammate or a "problem", that's what you're not getting.

And like I said, Brady is a proven cheat and has shouted down his teammates and coaches publically, is he a "problem"?

There was some stuff for the not tackling, but I think it all stemmed from the anthem stuff. A lot of people probably would say it didn't, but that's just my opinion of it.

The tackling stuff to me, meh, I don't really care about my corners being great tacklers. Sure it's nice to have, but the other things he was really good at were way more important.

The anthem stuff came first. THen all the other jazz happened and it was an easy outlet.

I dunno, you take a guess :D

It is pretty stupid that Brady can berate and go nuts on the sideline and he's a "leader" and fiery, but when another guy does it hes a "cancer".

But the world isn't one way or another.

No he's a multiple SB MVP, considered the greatest of all time, and takes fat paycuts to stay with his team.

Handing a large contract to a player is about much more than simply, "is he a problem?".

Your logic is complete shit. The Giants haven't even claimed OBJ is a personality problem.

Meh, I still think it's a bit of a double standard.

Yelling at coaches on the sideline is either ok or it isn't.

Frankly, I don't read much into it and it happens a shitload more than is shown on tv.

Go ahead, explain to us all why Kelce is treated better than Peters, according to you, even though they have the same problems.

Surely you have a theory.

Terez Paylor said that Marcus would tell him about the disgusting racial abuse he would get online from KC fans!!..whether we want to admit it or not, there is an element of the kingdom who hold prejudice mindsets.

I have no doubt Peters got some of that stuff.

LOL er Peters was among the very best CB's In the game and had won us more points than pretty much 90% of those on the roster. But yeah, he was shipped out quick, I wonder why........

And btw, I didn't ask you about Brady's trophies. I asked you IS HE A PROBLEM when he cheats and shouts down his coaches and fellow teammates? Please stop deflecting.

Well then there should be proof somewhere

Yet Philip Rivers gets shit for being a baby on the field all the damn time.

A body of work is what builds a reputation. Not that "one time, that one season Brady yelled at someone".

Brady gets caught yelling at someone, what, once every season or two? And that's it. And beyond that he's your ****ing poster child in every other facet of the game.

facebook.com

Nah, I'm sure it was just a coincidence that one was treated better, right? ROFL

Marcus's facebook apparently.

He acts like an asshole on the bench all the time. We see it probably once or twice a year, but it's there. Dude talks trash and gets into shit a lot. But he's a fiery competitor.

And I think a lot of the Rivers stuff is here on CP because he plays for a division rival. Other teams don't seem to feel the same I dont' think.

Win and you can do whatever you want I guess.

Well then stop ****ing wondering why and just say it. Why was he shipped out so quick.

Clearly you have a theory.

You're gonna have to post those for me. You know I wouldn't check there

LOL. I ain't doin that.

Lazy ass. :D

Shit or get off the pot. Right now you're just being a pussy.

Just go look through Facebook. On his fan page

Reid is one of the most liberal coaches in the NFL, outside of Pete Carroll maybe the most. He'll take whoever if they can play.

If he's ok with and wanted to move Peters, it wasn't ideal in the lockerroom.

I'm not Einstine buddy, the evidence is too hard to fathom, obviously!! ROFL

Yes they do. It's his reputation. It gets talked about in circles beyond Chiefsplanet. Even San Diegans conversate about it, wondering if he has the mental fortitude to be a champion.

Vick and Hill are testament to that.

Stop deflecting about Brady, you're just being a wussy :) .

Maybe, probably so.

But I think it's his ability to throw back breaking INT"s more than his yelling and stuff that is the problem.

Yeah, you're a bitch. Too much of a pussy to state your theory. Every time you deflect, you confirm it to everyone else reading this thread.

You've fooled no one. Keep making yourself look stupid.

Dude chill.

I'm not lazy. You know I don't have one. I think it keeps me out of prison, or Mexico...

:D

You brought up Brady, you goddamn idiot.

What's facebook?

Detox has been raging in DC too long. He's become hardened.

I said I don't know why OK? Why you getting all emotional like Dick Vermeil did when his QB got injured?!! ROFL

And you tried to deflect and suck his balls even though he's clearly behaved worse than the likes of Peters, but carry on :) .

LMAO

You keep saying it, so you must have a theory.

He's laughing at you. Not with you.

You seem simple so i want to make sure you're not confused.