Could be. We all know how wrong the Dearmonds have been about Mizzou to the SEC. Maybe KK could fill us in on the details.

We can use Pinkel's tenure at MU if you want. Minus the first 5 years and this year depending on how it ends up of course.

BEHOLD THE FUTURE OF COLLEGE ATHLETICS: THE SUNBEAST

http://www.everydayshouldbesaturday....s-the-sunbeast

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_as...onf_medium.jpg

By all means, keep the tough early years. Just goes to show how impressive the build was. Very comparable to what Radio is doing at ku, minus the numerous 40+ blowouts and starting out 1-10 in conference.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

ROFLROFLROFL

Even ESPN acknowledges how well Radio is doing at ku.

You guys only lost by 30 points at home! That's one the players will tell their grandkids about some day. LMAO

2011-15=1996

I can see that you're not good at math.

You don't need links for stuff like that.

KU snubbed the SEC when they came calling.

Baby steps.... baby steps.

Someday, God willing, they'll only lose by 29. LMAO

I was surprised the score was 27-17 in the 3rd. Oklahoma has a beastly defense, there's no denying that. Our boys who have been letting everyone march down the field the whole season did step up. You can only hold for so long when your offense is constantly going 3 and out though.

They should really use that momentum to show up strong against K-State. Oklahoma only outgained KU 317-216 in the second half. Of course, Oklahoma's 317 were yards, and KU's 216 were inches.

:LOL: Oh wow.

Never associate an Auburn catchphrase with the University of Alabama again. That's the kind of rookie mistake that will get you laughed off of SEC boards.

Yeah, its a shame that we had to have a down year after losing 2 NFL top 10 picks, but that kind of stuff happens. Well, I guess not if you are Kansas.

Do whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. I'll just look at the history rather than select # of years to prove a point.

My bad.

"Missouri’s $53.2 million athletics budget in 2010 would rank 11th in a 14-team SEC — ahead of Mississippi, Mississippi State and Vanderbilt." "Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana State, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina and Tennessee — raked in more than double the $25.4 million in revenue MU generated in 2010." And finally "Alabama poured $65 million into renovating Bryant-Denney Stadium last summer — the third major expansion in a dozen years." Your facilities are going to be right up there with Vandy and the Mississippi schools. Even Kentucky which is a basketball school is dumping $150M into their stadium this year.

But you are right about the second part, aTm while outspending Mizzou by about $16M would only rank one spot ahead of you in the SEC in spending! Seriously, its a crazy arms race down there and you guys are like 10 years behind the curve.

Nope. When all of the emotion settles down, we (in the corporate sense) actually should be able to discuss SEC/new Big 12 more sanely.

I honestly think this whole situation might end up in a win-win for all universities involved.

The issue is, how are you going to catch up? You're chasing schools that can throw around almost as much coin on training facilities (Tenn is opening a $48M football facility next year) as you spend on athletics as a whole on a year to year basis? A&M has almost a third more money to throw around on athletics than Missouri and they're going to only be ahead of Missouri, Vandy and the Mississippi schools if you join. Let me quote the great college football guru Bruce Feldman on this “You’re closer to a have-not than you are to a have in the SEC, where in the Big 12 you’re closer to the top than you are to the bottom of the batch.” I mean this sincerely and without venom, good luck with all that.

Perhaps they have more money to spend because they have better television contracts and aren't forced to make due with whatever crumbs are left over after Texas is done.

nice $300mil expansion Arky is starting...

those people are insane

Over 30 years. It's a master plan. Only confirmed upgrade is a Football office space.

I hope they bring in the guy who loves the red stapler. He's pretty funny.

shhhhh.....don't ruin it.

Mizzou won't be able to compete with their office space. Its like a corporate arms race. Arkansas is Staples, and Mizzou is Dunder Mifflin.

I don't think any Missouri fan worth their salt won't tell you EVERYONE (AD, coaching staff and fans) will need to step their game up.

We're potentially moving to the "big boy table" - and that will take a bigger commitment on everyone's part.

Having said that, there's a real possibility that our athletic budget could be +$15 with a move to the SEC. That's alot of coin YoY that can be put into facilities etc.

In my experience, the "tough" thing to do and the "right" thing to do are (in most cases) the same course of action. I don't view this potential decision for Missouri as anything but that......

From what I hear, the athletic department is fully aware of the need to play major catchup in the arms race and has been working behind the scenes to make sure there are pushes to get contributions from big donors and also an effort to expand the small donor base.

There are a pair of basketball boosters who live in Columbia (one is a bar owner, the other married into money) who supposedly are very excited about the prospect of playing in the same conference as Mike Anderson again and are ready to donate some big money.

I have a buddy who works in the fundraising office. He keeps hinting that there is "a plan" for Stan Kroenke's big donation (which I would expect to trump the donation of Bill Laurie for the basketball arena). It honestly wouldn't surprise me if that comes in shortly, either.

Everyone most certainly will have to step up, from the fans to the AD to the head coach on down.

You know what I don't get? Mike Alden. Aside from hiring Pinkel, you'd be hard pressed to list accomplishments. The basketball program has mostly been a fire drill aside from Snyder's loaded but underachieving early teams. But Alden got the biggest decision right, so he survives. Reminds me of Carl Peterson. He hired the right coach and lived a long time off getting that right, though his overall batting average was not so good.

Look at the basketball coaching search, humiliation, and the subsequent desperation hire. If his continued position isn't proof that football is about 80% of it...

I'm not a big defender of Alden, but his accomplishments go beyond Pinkel...

1) The athletic department budget has expanded exponentially under Alden. True, part of this is due to some accounting practices, but he has made a big commitment to making Missouri a player across the board.

2) Elevation of department expectations. Alden has made good hires and placed good coaches in wrestling, gymnastics, women's volleyball, softball and retained a good baseball coach.

3) Facilities upgrades (enormous improvements across the board in this area)

That's what I'm telling myself.

KK definitely can never question anyone's loyalty.

You mean you don't look to a man who's marriage crumbled after he had an affair with an intern when you need advice on loyalty?

KK's got a HUGE inferiority complex. I'm not sure if that stems from the fact he was a cheerleader in high school or if he got his a$$ kicked on the playground in elementary school.

Regardless, I believe that it drives 100% of his venom. Somehow, he's got it in his head that Mizzou fans think they're "better" than everyone else because we have a (rumored) SEC invite. I have no doubt the "idiot" portion of our fanbase is thumping their chest, but I would suggest that to be the exception and not the rule (at least in the circles I run in). I would describe the mood amongst my Mizzou bretheren as "grateful" and "relieved" as opposed to "cocky".

I have some ksu friends and co-workers that go from zero to cocky every year when they when 2 sequential football games. I certainly don't project their tendancies to the fan base as a whole.

Yeah. It's nuts, but it's over 30 years. Sweet pics if you follow the link.

http://www.fayettevilleflyer.com/201...s-master-plan/
University of Arkansas Athletic Director and Vice Chancellor Jeff Long outlined a plan for major upgrades to the UA’s athletic facilities at a press conference held at the Broyles Athletic Center on Tuesday.

Long said that while specific details within the newly unveiled Athletic Facilities Master Plan are tentative for now, the plan itself is designed to guide and address facilities needs at the UA for years to come.

“We have an obligation to plan for the future and the Athletic Facilities Master Plan enables us to move forward in the best interests of meeting the needs of our student-athletes, coaches, donors and fans,” he said. “The plan is an ambitious wish list to address facility needs for all 19 of our sports over the next five, 15 and 30 years. It is the next step to build our program and maintain competitiveness in the Southeastern Conference and nationally.”

Back in February, the University of Arkansas Board of Trustees approved the commission of the plan, developed by an architect team including Populous, Modus Studio and University Facilities Management.

Long stressed that none of the facilities included in the plan are final at this point, and that timeline and priority for the individual projects have also not been determined.

“The master plan was developed in coordination with the overall Campus Growth Plan,” he said. “Before any new project is started, we will present plans to the Board of Trustees for approval.”

One project, however, that has already been approved by the Board of Trustees is the recently announced football operations center. Long reminded those in attendance on Tuesday that groundbreaking for the Football Center is set for Nov. 4 at 3 p.m., the day before the Arkansas-South Carolina football game in Fayetteville.

Long also let slip plans other plans for improvements, including a new video board for Reynolds Razorback Stadium to be installed as soon as 2012.

The entire plan has an estimated price-tag of between $286.8 and $327.85 million, a figure that Long feels can be raised.

“To put this into context, I think it’s important to look at our history. Over the last 11 years we’ve averaged about $18 million (per year) on renovations and new facilities,” he said. “If you take that out over 11 years, it’s nearly $200 million. When you project $320 million over 30 years, it’s about 11 million. If you project it over a more ambition 20 years, it’s about 16 million.”

Long said that funds for the project will come from the usual sources.

“We will certainly rely on the generosity of our supporters through major gifts,” he said. “We’ll rely on the Razorback Foundation funds that are contributed to our program. We will rely on the revenues of ticket sales, multimedia sponsorship agreements, SEC Television revenue distribution, and we will certainly utilize bonds, proceeds supported by athletic revenues.”

Any truth to the rumor that they are also planning a $200,000,000 indoor noodling facility?

Those are the okies. Big 12 thing. :p

His hatred for St. Louis tops it all. It is hilarious how insecure he is about St. Louis and the Cardinals. He's tried to create this huge KC/STL rivalry that really isn't there, at least on the KCMO side.

He reads Chiefsplanet?

rep.

:)

I can't understand how he would get that idea into his head.

One can only imagine what some of these guys would be like if they had an actual winning program (excluding Deez and KCMizzou).

That's going to look pretty sweet when it's all said and done.

A source with connections to television executives involved in broadcasting college football in multiple BCS conferences has further confirmed what PowerMizzou.com reported earlier in the week. The source said Missouri's move to the SEC was "as done as done can be without the official vote." The source further stated that the vote, as reported earlier in the week by the Times, is not expected to be a hurdle.

Put that in another one of your misogynist analogies, will 'ya?

I don't buy it. I've been assured many times on CP that the votes aren't there.

In fact, I've learned a lot here.

Nobody wants Mizzou.
If they do, its just so they can add a weak team.
Nobody cares about Mizzou.
Mizzou destroyed the conference.
Mizzou shouldn't break up the rivaly with KU.
KU won't play MU if we leave because they don't care about MU.
The Big XII is a great geographical and cultural fit for Mizzou.
The Big XII will add BYU and West Virginia.

fyp

It's almost like different people have different opinions, perspectives, and agendas, and not any single one of them speaks for an entire fanbase or is even doing anything more than trolling for this kind of crying... but really, keep "learning" things by assuming each statement by each rival fan is a proclamation of the absolute truth that not only they believe, but every other fan believes (<- that's deliberate hyperbole, btw, refuting it will only produce lols).

tl;dr -- :deevee: STFU

Summary: deuces.

Mountain West is proposing a 16 team playoff to replace the BCS. I doubt it gets any traction but it is interesting to see a conference go against the grain.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...l-playoff.html

Hmmmmm....where would Mizzou ever get an additional $300 million over 30 years? Wait...has anyone considered using the additional $12+ million in revenue generated by a move to the SEC in order to expand the facilities to a level on par with other similarly situated SEC schools!!! Jesus - it just might work!

Arkansas remains an excellent example for Mizzou. It will absolutely take some time, but that additional revenue is going to go right back into the program. There's going to be some lean years and some dark periods here and there, but Mizzou will absolutely be better off for making this move.

Dumb.. I can see why minor conferences feel threatened by this realignment stuff, but you can't extend the season by 4 weeks.

Keep on ****ing that chicken, tiger.

You've been listening to way too much Kietzman.

A conference with less than zero influence..

I've never listened to a second of his show, and I've heard too much. Who listens to shit like this? I guess it's something do to when you're at work and can't watch Jerry Springer.

I was in Joplin yesterday when the Kietzman/Harry argument went on, but I think it's fair to point out just how absurd KK was being when he built his little straw-man with Harry.

Jack Harry is absolutely wrong here. There's no way on Gods green earth the XII should keep that tournament in KC. But KK went on to paint this as the "Missouri fans" position. Look Harry wears dual hats. He's a Missouri guy, but he's also a Kansas City resident and sports personality.

He wasn't speaking as a MU guy there, but as a KC sports personality. Yet KK tried to put a Mizzou hat on him. Here's what KK constantly fails to realize - Kansas City is only about 1/3 of Missouri's fanbase, probably even a little less. St. Louis is a stronger MU town than KC is and the rest of the state is heavy MU as well since it's the only major athletic university in the state.

So right off the bat, 2/3 of the MU fanbase doesn't give a rats ass if that tournament stays in KC - not even a little bit. Of the remaining 1/3 in the KC area, about 1/2 of them don't give a shit That would've been me had I stayed in KC; I don't put a lot of stock in the economic evaluations of single-shot sporting events in a region. Those are fungible assets; that spare income will still be spent just on other avenues and most of it will still be spent in-state. Of the remaining 1/2 of the KC area MU fans, 3/4 of those recognize why the IIX wouldn't want to have the tournament in a state with no representatives.

All told, you're talking maybe 5% of the Missouri fanbase that thinks the tournament should still be in Kansas City and NONE of them are speaking as Missouri fans, but as Kansas City residents. So what?

But Keitzman's dumbass decided to use this as the jumping off point for a 20 minute rant about how entitled and superior MU fans are behaving.

He really does expose himself as a bitter little shit if you pay attention to what arguments he chooses to make. Not the arguments themselves (as his argument there was an easy win), but how he chooses to couch arguments and frame them to deconstruct straw-men.

He's a perfect little Wildcat right now.

Exactly. I went to school here when we were just joining the SEC (and during our basketball title). Our athletics (and academic) facilities were a far cry then from what they are today. Tailgating was pathetic, and there was no culture of fanaticism (except with basketball). Since joining the SEC, things have completely changed. Razorback sports are insane now and our facilities for all sports are top notch.

I can't keep up with this stuff.....where are my Missouri Tigers going to end up? Besides the obvious answer of Columbia.

And Missouri already has basketball facilities that would be in the top 2 or 3 of the conference as well as indoor practice facilities that rank with virtually any school in the country.

If MU put together a $300 million stadium renovation, they'd have athletic facilities that rivaled the absolute best anywhere in the country.

It's really just a useless argument to have at this point. MU would go into the SEC in a far better position than Arkansas did with absolutely nothing that would prevent it from being just as successful down there. In the meantime, the atmosphere surrounding the athletic department would unquestionably step up a notch.

But the K-Staters insist we're being arrogant for looking forward to this.

I broke the norm and listened to him clown Jack Harry yesterday for about 10 minutes. That's the first I've listened in over a year. Only KU and MU fans listen to him troll...

If KK = KSU then Harry definitely = MU.

The issue is, where can the tournament be held? OKC or Dallas. Des Moines will lobby, but nobody wants to travel to Des Moines. KC still makes a lot of sense geographically and because KC is not really an all-Missouri city. The fact that the arena sits a couple of miles across the border doesn't really mean much. The Giants play in New Jersey. I don't see this a lot differently.

He is butthurt because on the whole I think this is bad for his business. He knows it despite what he says. His station has gotten a lot of mileage out of MU/KU, the Big 12 tournament, the games at Arrowhead, and even the negative interest MU fans take in KU basketball and KU fans take in MU football.

He campaigned for weeks trying to swap public opinion to stop it. He failed. Chiefplanet is displaying few examples of overt butthurt, KK has the biggest case of butthurt on the earth about this thing. Harry is right that he is jealous as well, but I think his wallet is yelping louder.

Arkansas' stadium capacity increased about 56% since they joined the SEC in 1992. Amazing what replacing games against the likes of SMU, Rice, and Houston with Alabama, Tennessee, and LSU can do to excite a fanbase.

Eh, KK made some good suggestions; Wichita evidently has a new basketball arena, as does Des Moines. OKC and Dallas would be great spots for it as well.

It would just rotate among states with member schools; seems very sensible to me.

Jack Harry has explicitely stated that he's not a Mizzou fan but took to their side because of the imbalance against them. Its not like Harry is an MU grad.

Why not? Time isn't really an issue... last year's bowl season was 4 weeks long, so it's not like games would be stretching into February, as they could use that same time period from mid-Dec through the first week or two of January. Of course, it's more games, more chances for injuries, less time to study for that communications final, etc; but hell, knock off that game vs Missouri State, since it's a useless scrimmage anyway... :shrug:

and that changes the fact he is an MU homer because?

practically you are talking about 4 more games, more practices, more travel, more missed class, instead of 1 game and the associated practice and travel. it IS a big difference.

And you know the bowl sponsors want their money still.

Petro is saying what I have been thinking. The withdrwal goes down on Friday. Slive announces the approval on Monday. The SEC gets a week's worth of free promotion on the Big XII's dime leading up to the Tigers\Aggies game.

Not sure how much sway the bowls will have given the recent expose on how "uncharitable" they have been with bowl revenue. Their actions may prove to be the black eye that pushes the schools toward an organized tournament system.

Because defending a school against unfair criticism and/or playing devil's advocate does not constitute homerism.

LMAO

Poor little MU.

Saul Good, your victim mentality is exhausting.

and the other 364 days of the year Harry is also defending lil miss mizzou's honor?

From the guy who has the school that is literally begging its fans to watch them come play.

And yet I'm not acting like a victim.

meh, people don't care. The Fiesta Bowl scandal is forgotten in the mind of 99% of the public.

Uh...he doesn't count them as his 'home' university.

He's openly and obviously playing Devil's advocate. He's not being a 'homer' by any definition; he's being a KC sports radio personality that has a responsibility to create ratings via offering a counterpoint. KK then seizes on a stated 'devils advocate' position as "Missouri fans are saying"...

You really don't understand how obviously bitter that appears?

Ah yes, ku fans have no problem with blatant lies about their fans or university. You guys are so above it all.

Dear Mizzou: Please don't do anything dumb like lose by 50 to the Cowboys and somehow !@#$ this up.

I can see this happening.