Yes, really.

The Broncos 2013 and 2014 drafts are well below average.

Define great and then you tell me if you think the Bronco's drafts have been great since 2012. If you answer "yes", your homer glasses are bigger than Knowmo's.

Those key free agents came to play with Peyton and win a SB.

I don't think it's a coincidence that now that Peyton is gone Elway couldn't even keep his own guys, including the QB he handpicked. Where's all that magic now?

Also, I'll ask this question again, what QB's have Elway/Kubiak successfully drafted and developed?

I just don't see Elway pulling it off again. Getting a QB like Peyton through free agency is a once in a lifetime oppurtunity. He was GMing with a handicap that won't be there anymore. I don't see his future drafts being good enough to overcome the obstacles that are now in his way.

Superbowl championship teams lose players the year following? Weird.
Your football takes are part blind homer, part butt hurt, and part silly.
Nothing wrong with that so long as you recognize it for what it is.

I disagree.

I recently watched several of the America's Game specials on The NFL Network, including the 1997 & 1998 Broncos. Elway was a salesman then, getting Neil Smith to flip in a heartbeat after nine seasons in KC.

The Broncos may not be in the Super Bowl hunt every season under Elway but as he's proven in the past five years, he's not going to be very far from it.

Everybody wants to count their post-Manning chickens.

Better put that goddamned calculator back in the desk until proven otherwise.

Sylvester Williams has been solid and Webster is a special teams stud and an excellent back up DB. Other than that 2013 was disappointing. 2014 has Roby who is an excellent CB, Paradis who is the starting center, Nelson who will be Trevathans replacement and Latimer who is a STs stud and a solid WR coming off the bench on a team stacked at WR. Say what you want about Schoefield but he was the starting LT on a Super Bowl winning team, moving forward, at the very least, he's a very solid backup. Overall, between these 2 drafts there's excellent depth and starters who contributed to a championship.

You want to talk about my football takes. Do you even have any? All I see in your posts are words. I can't honestly think of a time I read a take from you that led me to believe you watch a lot of football and know what you're talking about.

For instance, your excuse that you won a SB. Super Bowl teams lose guys all the time, but at the rate you guys just did? That almost never happens. The fact that you think it is normal is telling. How many SB teams aren't even projected to win their division the following year? You think that kind of turnover is normal after a SB?

It's as blind of an answer as "preseason".

Who did Seattle lose besides Chris Clemons and Red Bryant after their SB?

You can think this was all part of Elway's plan if you want, but it's clear as day that wasn't the case.

I agree. Aside from Roby, they've had some seriously bad picks those years in Latimer, Schofield, Ball (yikes this guy was a big bust).

Elway definitet benifited from Manning being there the year he got all those FA's, which ultimately led to their SB victory.

The thing Denver has been best at is replacing players that retire/leave for $$ in FA.

Holy homer batman!

Yea getting Donal Stephenson away from us at just 5 mil a year is another example of his badass salesmanship!

ROFL

The bottom line is as soon as Peyton retired Elway had his worst offseason. That's not a coincidence. The only reason this offseason looks better is because that first round QB. The problem is, nobody is considering how bad this offseason could be if they miss, which statistically speaking, is the most likely outcome. If that happens, Elway has a lot of shit to clean up after himself in the next few years.

You poor ****er. You think preseason play counts.
You run your mouth about an organization that has been the AFC West champ for pretty much the entire decade,been to 2 Superbowls in 4 years and won one of them. Yet none of it was due to the new GM who presided over all of that.

You're the ****ing idiot that believes Okung wasn't trying when Dee Ford kicked his ass repeatedly. We're not talking about one play here. We're talking about several plays of him clearly struggling with Ford's speed to the point of jumping offsides. But why the **** am I arguing with you? You didn't even see it to have any context. You're just an ignorant moron that argues about shit you obviously have no clue about.

I know you Broncos fans won the SB, so there's no reasoning with you, but the Chiefs were just as good, if not better, when healthy last year. We kicked your ass in Mile High when we were, but just couldn't get it done without our best players when it mattered most. That's our problem, not yours, but it's pretty obvious why we're so confident going into next season. We got a little better this offseason, while you clearly got worse. This division is ours and if you wanna make a bet on that I'm more than willing to.

LMAO you should get a tattoo of that phrase