http://www.nacda.com/directorscup/na...ectorscup.html

It's a measure of the all-around athletic performance of a university.

What credit are you seeking? I'm curious, because I'm not sure exactly what credit KU Football really deserves over the last 20 years. You had 1 phenomenal season in the last 20 years (in which they didn't even win the North Div) - how much credit does that deserve?

Your 2007 season reminds me a little of KSU when we went 11-1 in 1999, didn't go to a BCS Bowl and their only loss was to NU - who finished the year #2 in the Country. The major difference was, we had 11 wins the two years prior and were number 1 heading into the B12 CG in 98, and won 11 games 3 of the 4 years after that, including a B12 Championship. That deserves some credit for consistency. What KU did deserves a footnote for being an outlier in a 20 year period that was predominately mediocre to bad. You had 7 seasons out of 20 where you broke .500, and of the 7, only 4 had 8 or more wins, and only 2 had 10 or more wins. Again, congrats for hitting the lottery in 2007-08.

So it's a measure of performance in all the sports that nobody cares about? No wonder I didn't know what it was.

I said major athletics, by the way, not all-around athletics.

:ksu: EMAW :ksu:

**** ESPN

I'm just lulling all you beakers into a false sense of security. :p

I feel like the DK Joker is behind all this.

MSNBC guy on 810 just said that he can't believe how the value of basketball has been ignored in all this.

Especially the New York market, where he lives... Where basketball is king.

hmmmmm, whatduyaknow.

Football $$ >>>>>>> basketball $$

For some schools, yes.

For other schools, no.

I want to know how anything is "imminent" in Texas for a move to the Pac-10 when they still have to have the legislative meeting on tuesday to decide anything?

Some? Try most.

Even for Kansas, football $ > basketball $.

According to Matt Scott DUMBSTICK at the Shiver, KU has an invite to the Pac-10.

Free article from powermizzou

http://missouri.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094094


Another Option Emerging?
Gabe DeArmond
PowerMizzou.com Publisher


Over the last week, the options in the race for conference realignment for Missouri seem to have dwindled nearly by the hour. PowerMizzou.com has learned that there may be a new option emerging now.

The latest word is the possibility that Texas A&M and Missouri could be courted as a pair by the Southeastern Conference. The Aggies have been connected with the SEC for quite some time now. In fact, multiple media outlets have reported that the Aggies have an offer on the table and AggieYell.com has reported that A&M will join the SEC.

The latest information, which was relayed to PowerMizzou.com late last night is that the Aggies may have told the SEC they would like Missouri to be included in that league's expansion as well. The first reaction would be why would A&M go to bat for Mizzou? However, there are reasons it makes sense.

If the SEC does indeed add A&M, the league would be at 13 teams. Clearly, at least one more school would need to be added. Based on the way divisions are aligned in the league, that team would likely need to be a school to the West. Southernpigskin.com has advocated the Tigers and Aggies be added to the SEC and lines up possible divisions this way:

SEC West

Alabama
LSU
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri
Ole Miss
Mississippi State

SEC East

Florida
Georgia
Auburn
Tennessee
South Carolina
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

In addition, the Tigers are the only team that makes sense that is really not tied to anyone else in the league. Texas is not going to the SEC. Oklahoma has expressed its desire to stick with the Longhorns, as has Texas Tech. Oklahoma State looks to follow those schools. In addition, neither Tech nor OSU brings the television sets or the AAU membership and accompanying academic prestige that Missouri would. Furthermore, ESPN reported earlier this week that if the SEC did expand, it would not pursue teams from the Atlantic Coast Conference.

At this point, Missouri athletic department spokesman Chad Moller has said that Missouri will neither confirm nor deny any rumors about other conferences. Following a Board of Curators meeting last night, Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton repeatedly stated that Missouri was "committed to strengthening the Big XII."

The wrench in all this from Missouri's standpoint is that the decision does not seem to be theirs to make at this time. Orangebloods.com reported this morning that the University of Texas will commit to staying in a 10-team Big XII as soon as this afternoon.

Should that take place, it is clearly a statement to the Aggies that a decision must be made. Would A&M remain in the Big XII and keep things afloat as a ten-team league? Or would the Aggies forge their own way regardless, moving to the SEC?

A contact at A&M told PowerMizzou.com that "At this point, they're more interested in telling Texas to take a flying leap than they are staying unified with the other Texas schools."

The question then becomes whether the Texas legislature would allow the Aggies to leave on their own. A committee meeting has been called for Wednesday with officials from multiple Lone Star State schools to discuss the realignment carousel and its impact. Sources in Texas say that if the legislature chooses to force the Texas schools to stick together, it has the power to do so. The question is whether it would reach that point, as it did in the mid-1990's when the Big XII was originally formed. Texas governor Rick Perry is an A&M graduate, but is also in an election year in the state, so forces could be pulling him in multiple directions.

"He has said multiple times that any smart politician is staying out of this," the A&M source said. "We'll find out if he's a smart politician."

If Texas indeed pledges its loyalty to the Big XII, the Orangebloods.com report indicates that Fox has promised the remaining teams a television contract that would be worth approximately $17 million to each school. Other sources have confirmed that number as accurate to PowerMizzou.com.

The ball now seems still to be in a court in the state of Texas. But now the next move may very well belong to A&M.

My preference would be Mizzou and Texas both following Nebraska to the Big Ten, but I realize that's pretty unlikely. I want Mizzou to play the strongest possible competition.

This legislative meeting is widely regarded as irrelevant. The various boards and regents are more important.

I'll take Opinions I Don't Care About for $1,000, Alex.

I thought it was same same

It's Harbaugh!

:clap:

Even for Kansas. That is how lopsided it is.

this guy is supposed to be pretty solid on Texas A&M matters.....

http://twitter.com/billyliucci

Aggie brass to meet this afternoon ... momentum moving heavily towards A&M staying in 10-team Big 12
23 minutes ago via web

Gene Stallings en route to College Station ... I'd be surprised if the Big 12 deal does NOT work at this point
19 minutes ago via web

ChipBrownOB
Texas stands to make between $20 mil and $25 mil per yr under a proposed new TV pkg presented by Dan Beebe, plus UT's own network.

If that's true, it's a no-brainer for UT.

Yeah... if Beebe can keep Texas from bolting... I'd guess they might have an even more dominant hold on the Big 12.
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It sucks, but for teams like KSU, ISU and Baylor....it's our best chance to survive this gawdawful shitty mess. KU MAY have a shot at the Pac 10, and MU MAY have a shot at the B10. Both of those are less than 50%, imo, but better than nothing.

No Texas means TT, OU, and OSU aren't getting PX invites. Though I doubt they'd leave anyway without Texas, so it's really a moot issue.

Utah would be next in line for a PX invite over KU.

The inequity between KSU (and others) and Texas was and is inevitable. If the teams in our area want to play in the big boy leagues, that's just the way it's going to be. Not unlike the Royals and Yankees.

To be clear, I'm agreeing with you.

I'm willing to bet every south school other than Baylor gets an unconditional invite. If anyone else leaves the conference dies and UT is forced to go west, so it is in their interest to attack every link in the chain.

Everyone else gets 5 bucks.

Makes it much sweeter when we dominate them.

only because some of the north schools (have to) put up with it. The other conferences will laugh at Texas and tell them to split evenly. If Kansas or Mizzou does end up getting an offer from a BCS conference, they have to really think about it.

KU and MU would still be better served to go elsewhere. Both will land in major conferences.

The problem is - I doubt they will, without certain contingencies in place.

NY Times sports reporter Pete Thamel Tweets:

"Big 12 AD confirms to the NY Times that Texas is on cusp of committing to Big 12. He said, 'The musical chairs will stop.'"

Based on what? You have to think that any of the North schools that have received formal offers would have jumped by now ---- two already have done so. If any conference coveted either MU or KU, that conference would have offered, knowing that the schools' ties to the Big 12 were tenuous at best.

I'd like to think that all three local schools end up in a major conference, but without the Big 12, I'd say it's a crapshoot.

OU gets an invite because of the Texas rivalry and their own history. OSU and TT are Tier 3 academic institutions, they're not getting in on their own merits. Stanford, Cal, USC, etc. only let those 2 in if UT and OU's ability to come to the PX is tied to those schools following.

Besides Texas, the southern schools were only on 1 of the approved expansion scenarios.

TV markets and academics would carry Mizzou. Plus, they have a solid fan following, as evidenced by football attendance numbers.

KU? Why, basketball, of course.

KSU would go to the MWC. Decent football conference and wouldn't be the end of the world for KSU, IMO. I know, I know, Wildcats. That's easy for me to say b/c I don't have a vested interest.

fyp

Let's be honest here, ok?

"In a concession to Texas, schools get an unequal distribution of television revenue and have the opportunity to develop its own network."

WTF? Would the other schools go for this? Talk about being someone's bitch-boy.
Would the other schools be allowed to make their own schedules or would they need to run them by UT for sign-off?

Yeah, I think they're definitely in a more precarious position. But the Big East would be the absolute fall-back, IMO.

2 new Chip Brown Tweets
 

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An announcement that a remodeled Big 12 will survive with a new television deal could be announced as early as Monday, sources say.
half a minute ago via TweetDeck

All 10 schools remaining in the Big 12 are are at the table working on a deal that would save the league, sources tell Orangebloods.com.
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Not to mention, MU "academics" have NOTHING to do with this equation, which was the other part of my - fyp

Yea thats what i dont get, of course im sure they are willing to be Texas' Bitch than to be in the MWC

For the record I think KSU football will do quite well in the MWC if that were to happen.

KU football in the Pac 10..... ummmm, errr

Is that a serious question? They would do it because the alternative (MWC?) offers even less revenue than the unequal distribution of this new format. Sure, pride takes a hit here, but reality is reality.

I think KSU football would do quite well in the MWC, but I think basketball would suffer from the lack of revenue.

If you want a good laugh every now and then follow Iowa State's Womens Basketball coach Bill Fennelly on twitter.

http://twitter.com/ISUCoachFen

Heck, if you discount U$C and their cheating ways, the MWC has been on par with the Pac 10 the last few years. The last couple of years the MWC has been better in basketball too.

If the Big 12[ten] stays together... this whole ordeal will be much adieu about nothing.

Chances are shit hits the fan in a couple more years... so might as well say **** it NOW.

There comes a time when you just gotta stop worrying about money. Texas has all the money in the Big XII but that doesn't stop K-State from making them their bitch in football and basketball. :evil:

Totally agree. If we ended up in the MWC, KSU will become only interested in football again.
Frank and Delonte are on the first train headed out of town. Maybe Wooly will be competitive in the MWC?

If KSU is in the MWC that is the way it should be. Use whatever means available as a member of the MWC to better your football program. The money won't be there to really build two programs.

I think that's EXACTLY what some teams are considering (predominately, Mizzou and aTm)

I'm including Tex and Okla

SPORTSbyBROOKS Larry Scott / Pac-10 plan heading back to California. Apparently no trip to Kansas City. http://bit.ly/9k17yg

Well, nevermind then.

Ancillary, for sure. But, yeah, it matters.

MU doesn't profile, in any way, with the likes of a Conf. USA.

Yep. And it will give schools more time to jockey for position... and then get out when they can.

The foundation of this conference is faulty... it will crumble eventually. Might as well grab a life jacket and get off the boat.

Petro: Texas, OU, and A&M giving North a golden shower.

Literally. Said we're drinking the urine of the big boys.

The thing is, once UT gives it's blessing to this new deal, Beebe is going to come out with another ultimatum deadline for aTm and MU.

sorry Beakers....PAC10 commish going home not to Lawrence

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N228PK

I know pride goeth before the fall, but I just can't stomach this. The thought of going MWC makes me physically ill, but the thought of being Texas' uber-bitch -- even for a couple more years when the conf. breaks up anyway -- is unacceptable.

C'mon, AtM, blow this ****er up.

Without being able to tune in here at work, what is Petro's super alternative?

Sure if KU has a Pac-10 offer and MU has a Big 10 offer in hand I can see them not dealing with the South and the golden showers. But aside from that, what else does he presume the North division do instead?

As a KSU fan, I realize our limitations and it looks like it will be being Texas financial tackling dummy or join the MWC and make pennies instead of dollars. So we will just take whatever Bevo gives us. Nothing else we can do about it.

if the Big 12 stays together it's just for one last money grab and more time to sort out where they are going to go. imo.

If any of the location schools have a chance to go to a new conference they like they should just take it. Who knows what might screw it up next year. They should know that Texas is leading the Big 12 south around by the nose and THAT THEY CAN'T TRUST TEXAS.

Get while the getting is good

I'd love to hear what he thinks the North schools should do instead. Move to the MWC and get half the revenue? Tell Texas to kiss it and pray for an invite from someone....anyone? Sometimes you swallow your pride for the greater good of your family, organization, etc. This is one of those times. This is not about sports, where passion rules. This is a business deal, plain and simple. Cool heads must prevail.

I'd be happy to keep the Big 12 (10) together for a little while longer, until Kstate gets to the point where we have a good hire at coach, and our Bball program has a little more success.

We need our programs to be in better shape to become a more attractive candidate. This year is not the year for that.

of course if the North schools have no other legit options the have to stay.

but they shouldn't stay if they have another BCS conference option

Texas will screw them this year,next year ... only a matter of time.

ROFL

His point was don't complain about Texas and the south getting the biggest piece of the pie.

Right, but at this point it looks like none of us do, so we need to suck up our pride and take the best deal.

It sucks but it appears that this is reality.

well if they have no options then there is no decision to make. We just sit around and lick Texas Taint until they decide to kick us to the curb.

if we have no options then someone needs to get fired

that's life

and petro is a dumbass for pretending otherwise

KU has no shot at the pac 10 without UT

and without UT there is no 'big 12'

you can accept it or go join the mountain ****ing losers conference...

Hook 'em.

I thought the Pac-10 was a long shot for KU anyway, but the Big East would be preferable than continuing to be Texas's bitch.

Same for MU. If the Big-10 option is next to dead, I'd rather be in the Big East.

These schools don't need to exist solely to service Texas, and it's not going to get better. Only worse.

and why are you involved in this discussion again?

Indeed!

Hey Bevo, you need someone to wash your car? Two coats of wax? No problem!

I'm happy. Frazod, are you happy too? :D

I guess the thought is that the Big East isn't really much more stable than the Big 12. In an instant they could be losing multiple teams to the Big 10 and ACC. So the North schools aren't really on stable ground no matter where they turn.

KU to Pac-16 and MU to Big-16 probably would be the only real stable options over the long haul.

That's as simple as it gets. Petro is huge dolt. Kinda like hawkchief.

Texas runs the show and they pay us pretty well to pick the cotton. I'll take that (un)certainty for another 5 years. On top of that, the Cats have no issues when it comes to puching the fuckers in the mouth.