This never occurred to me, but you're right - when Missouri leaves, K-State will become the new Missouri, only even more heavily disrespected.

Something to look forward to, I guess.

Actually, the original "passed over" for a better bowl already happened to KSU in 98.

Lost the B12 CCG in OT no less, and while still in the top 5 of the BCS with a single loss, dropped all the way to the Alamo Bowl. That's when the BCS changed their rule about only 1 team per conference in a BCS bowl.
A change which benefitted both NU and OU (2003).

What happened to MU was outright theft. That, and Alden being a dummy.

Could you please explain this with an analogy about dancing?

And KSU will be KU's new "rival".

Instead of playing for the Border War drum, they will wave the wheat in unison at midfield of Olathe North's stadium.

KSU was dancing and fell off the stage, breaking it's neck. No paralysis, but rehab was long and arduous.

They'll have to find another rival. We have Texas. (if they can win a few to make it less one sided)

Please give me a junior membership to the B1G instead of a full membership in the best conference on the planet (and the only one that's mattered for most of the past decade).

I'd much rather play at Minnesota than LSU.

I don't know how to break this to you, but I think UT considers Oklahoma their rival. I think they even have a name for that rivalry.

I'm curious. Were you saying you'd rather go to the SEC when you thought there was a Big 10 invite on the table?

The Big 10 is Applebee's... a lot of people love it, and I still haven't figured out why. The SEC is like Gates... you could nitpick, but it's pretty darn good, and I wonder how some people can hate it.

You know the answer to that. MU was the sleazy chick at the bar looking to go home with anyone but the guys she came with. She was sitting there..... staring at the Big 10, dress on, panties off, legs spread.

It's been declared. Completely out of my hands. Just accept it Pants.

Just noticed it is after 2 o'clock. KK had his daily meltdown yet?

I wouldn't have said that last year, but it really seems like Big 10 football is going downhill. So many of their traditional powers (Michigan, Penn State, Purdue) have been bad for many years that you can't really consider them powers anymore.

You've never heard of the Chisolm Trail Rivalry? Man, you are a bigger dumbass than I thought.

I wanted the Big 10 because of the academic affiliations. When they added Nebraska, however, it was clear that academics mean very, very, very little in terms of conference realignment.

So, since it's all about football, bring on the SEC. Mizzou will have to be savvy to get to a point of being a threat in this league, but it will make for some fun Saturdays of watching great football/teams/players.

I accept it.

I will say this, not sure you can say KSU-Texas is a rivalry, especially considering Texas is K-State's bitch on the field most of the time. Got to give KSU credit for that.

Hell no. I didn't mention a move to the SEC at all when it wasn't on the table. Applebee's may not be Capital Grill, but some boneless buffalo wings and a Brewtis look pretty good, when you've been eating McRibs for the past 15 years.

New analogy is new.

Or could it be that a conference is trying to improve their footprint and increase television markets. Mizzou obviously lacks the football tradition of a place like Nebraska, which thus swings a heavier financial hammer in terms of that sport, but it does bring with it a host of other attributes (including a much stronger academic CV, which as I've already noted is nothing but a nicety).

I was in favor of the prospective Big 10 move because it would be an upgrade over the Big 12 and because I live in Big 10 country. I am in favor of the SEC move because its an upgrade over the Big 12. The Big 10 would have been better for me geographically, and they already have a tv network I could watch everything on. But I'm sure the SEC will have one too when the dust settles. The SEC is probably better for our football program anyway.

As far as I am concerned either would have been great. If you are in the #4 (and falling) conference and someone asks if you'd like to be in #1 or #2 your answer should be "yes."

MU is your relative/friend that always wants to borrow money because they have a "sure thing" going down, and they are "good for it".

Then they disappear for 5 years, and come back with a couple missing fingers and walk with a limp.

These are always great... you pick the most boring from one side and the best from the SEC.

In restaurant terms: I'd much rather lick the filth off the floor of the kitchen at OK Joe's than eat the prime rib at the Majestic Steakhouse.

In dating terms: I'd much rather date the ugliest girl on eHarmony than the most beautiful lady in the bar.

In dancing terms: I'd much rather dance with the one legged woman on America's Got Talent than Anna Trebunskaya* on Dancing with the Stars.

In employment terms: I'd much rather be a security guard at Google than CEO of Apple.


*I Googled that...

So, what you're saying is the sleazy chick has some nice tits. :p

Playing in the Big 10 is like eating at a crappy chinese buffet. It's bland, boring, and things tend to slowwwwwwwwwww down after a few plates.

LMAO.

Yes.

Nebraska was an AAU school when the Big 10 took them. Nice try....

speaking of, you should try Hong Kong sometime if you haven't....the new remodel did wonders.

Because all AAU schools are created equal. I mean, really, Nebraska is--I mean "was"--the same as Missouri, which is the same as Harvard.

All AAUs are the same thing.

Anyone who didn't know that Nebraska was/is a middling academic institution isn't knowledgeable about this subject.

Don't get me wrong, even otherwise mediocre places have some outstanding degree programs, but we're talking about overall cache of name.

but that's been MUs argument all along....they are AAU, and Big 10 was AAU, hell, now there's even been posturing that SEC would have more AAUs than the Big 12. So AAU means something.......or it's mean nothing? I'm confused.

LSU isn't the coolest SEC location. Would you prefer the Swamp in Florida? Between the hedges in Georgia? The grove in Mississippi? Bryant-Denny in Alabama? Neyland in Tennessee?

Of course it means something for the actual members, but the point is that there's still a hierarchy of AAU universities.

Does it really matter in terms of conference alignment? Not really. It's a bullshit talking point for university presidents and alumni. The CIC makes the Big 10 different, however, because there's an actual fiscal advantage for the academic side.

Nebraska was invited for football. Period. The academics obviously received little more than a cursory glance. Otherwise, other institutions in the conference wouldn't have been too surprised when UNL lost its AAU standing; it didn't happen overnight.

soooo....NU has singlehandedly ruined the academics of the Big 10?

U of Missouri BOC is meeting at UMKC this Thurs/Fri and KK is generously willing to help people organize to protest the possibility of Mizzou leaving the Big 12.

LMAO.

Wickedson thinks you're throwing out absurd non sequitirs.

Tarnished the overall image that "all of our members are AAU members?" Of course; it's no longer true, and that was one of the Big 10's calling cards.

OccupyMizzou!

Amazing.

Nobody cares about Mizzou!!! /sets self on fire in protest to make them stay

Does this mean we'll hear more about football instead of shitty college basketball in jan/feb?

lol, Tigerboard just banned any discussion of KK.

I'll gladly start a petition for K-State to join the Mountain West, if that will make him feel better.

Count the number of SEC teams on this list:

http://www.tailgatermonthly-digital....0&u1=subs#pg60

lol, KSU fans just don't care about Mizzou!

Just leave already!

Get out of here!

ROFL

:LOL:

Do you tell the people on Tigerboard that you don't care about Mizzou?

:thumb:

no more than I have told the fine folks from KU, TCU, and other places I'm a message board member....

KK and Jack Harry r gonna have a fight.

BITB Clownsuiting Mad Jack.

LMAO at KK.

Fans, don't ever attend another Chiefs or Royals game because the stadiums are in Missouri.

I finally had t turn in to hear Jack Harry meltdown. He's hilarious. I can't believe he honestly thinks the Big 12 would and should keep the tourny in Missouri if Mizzou leaves the conference. Have another drink Jack...

"Because I feel bad for Missouri...I do."

Sprint "the Izod" Center

What does that have to do with Big 12 business? KK finally had a valid point....would the Big 10 EVER have their tourney in STL?

I thought many were saying that KC was a KU town? STL is not, in any shape or fashion, an Illinois town.

Just read an interesting tidbit. Over the past 10 years, MU is the fastest growing university in the AAU. aTm is second.

It's still a state not represented in the conference. Should we have it in Omaha next? And who cares if it's a KU town or whatever. It. Is. Not. In. Big 12. Territory. Goodland Kansas probably roots for the Broncos.....you think Denver gives a shit?

Of course they should. Haven't we heard KC is the best place to have the tourney? Then why move it to Dallas? Big 12 would be cutting off its nose to spite its face.

Don't be such drama queens. You guys can borrow Sprint Center for a few days, we don't mind.

As long as they pay rent.

1. St. Louis has never hosted the tourney.

2. St. Louis isn't a B1G city.

3. St. Louis isn't located in the middle of the B1G.

Other than that, good point.

Mitch Holtus wants to build a roof over the soccer field!

If Mizzou leaves, KC is no longer central to the Big 12.

It's as absurd as the Mizzou fans thinking KC would ever host an SEC tourney.

And soon, KC, MO won't be in the middle of Big XII country, nor will it be a Big XII city. What I can't believe is that people from KC, MO would think the Big XII would want to continue it in KC, MO. It makes absolutely no sense. It will move to OKC and spots in Texas. I don't know why people would think the conference would be hunky dory with giving a non Big XII city revenues generated from a Big XII event. Does any other Big 6 conference do that?

I don't expect it to stay in the Sprint Center. I wonder if there is some sort of contract between the conference and the arena, though.

But all Big 12 fans, even OU and TX fans, say the Big 12 tournament sucks in Dallas and OKC compared to KC. Even if Mizzou is gone, you still have three local schools. You would really rather have a shittier tournament just to not have it in KCMO?

don't equate fan preference for our own selfish reasons with business decisions of the conference.

KCMO and Jackson County are the big loser in all of this... as usual. That group can't get enough stupid fans/voters.

I don't follow politics much but if I'm following this thread correctly: Texas is Wall Street. Mizzou fans are the Occupy Wall Street protesters. They are angry Texas has too much money. KU and KState are the middle class workers who don't like Texas having all the money but don't have time to picket because they have mortgages to pay.

Yeah, don't know the specifics about that. I'm sure there are cancellation fees, but I don't know if the Big XII actually made reservations beyond next year. Announcing their intentions and finalizing deals can be two separate things.

Having a shitty tournament with lower attendance would not be a potential business consideration for the conference? Really?

There have been probably thousands of different analogies in the two conference realignment threads, and this has to be - by far - the worst attempt.

I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

it would, as would be giving all that money to a city and state not affiliated otherwise with the conference. I bet having the tourney in Vegas would be beneficial for attendance too...but it isn't gonna happen.

Best post in the whole thread.

Yeah, it sucks, especially since Lawrence is so close and it would still be a great place for the tourney. If it wasn't for the state line, it would be like Atlanta, which hosts ACC and SEC events because of Georgia Tech & Georgia.

OKC is only five hours away. :sulk:

Pleeeeeeeeeaassssseeeee stay!!! :deevee:


Really though, it's not like it's KCMO's decision... I get the logic of not wanting a Big 12 event in an SEC state, but like it's been said, the Big 12 would be cutting off its nose to spite its face. If they have events in KCMO, they could at least pretend that it's more of a Big 12 market, while the SEC events stay in the Southeast.

There's no doubt it won't be as good, but there's no sense in continuing to hold it in a state that doesn't have a conference member. Nebraska is gone, MU may be. OKC really isn't that much futher, you can make it in under a day. Further for ISU, but what isn't? I feel bad for KC, but if the state school has little regard for those traditions and histories, why should the conference it was once a member of continue them? I mean, if MU doesn't see the Big XII as the future they want to hold, then KC, MO and St. Louis will have to look south with their school.

So Big 12 and its fans are willfully choosing to have a shittier conference out of spite for Mizzou leaving for the SEC. Got it.

And here I thought no one cared.

As far as business decisions go, KC still likely has more fans of Big XII teams than any city outside of Texas. If they pull the tourney out of KC, they are ceding the town to the SEC.

KU gains a lot of young fans when they bring their road show to KC. Not anymore it seems.

Yeah, Vegas is an apt comparison to KC. And the fact that Kemper/Sprint Center was/is considered Allen Field House East will have nothing to do with what happens in the future.

When the drama cloud settles, I'd be willing to bet that Sprint Center will still be hosting the basketball tournament. And everything will be OK.

Because it's not just a revenue boost for the state of Missouri. I know quite a few people who go in for the tournament and stay in Overland Park.

This.

IT'S ALL GONNA BE OKAY.......at least for the next year or two......