Too many draft picks not to package and trade up. How far up the board are they trying to get is the question. Vikings at 12? Eagles at 15? Cards at 23? Id imagine they will have a plan headed into the draft and will have pre approved packages with perhaps these teams if the board falls right.

To include anything outside of the 1st round as well.

Jameson Williams come on down!!!!

Listening to this "Time's Ours" podcast right now. Really wish they'd stop laughing about every goddamn thing all the time. I'm like 9 mins into this bitch and they're still laughing.

It's what they do. They're three friends who talk all the time outside of the podcast. I think it's what gives it character.

**** no.

They're not gonna sit at 29 and 30 and take 2 guys they don't view as first round type prospects when they could trade up and get one I doubt.

Would you do a Marcus Davenport type trade for Jermaine Johnson?

Saints moved up from 27 to 14. Gave up #27, a 5th round pick in 2018 and their 2019 1st round pick.

Now that I would probably do. Hopefully, Johnson ends up being better than Davenport, though.

If they want to trade up to get a sure-fire, day 1 starter, more power to them. I'm on board.

If theres a trade up I'd rather it be in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds anyway.

I'd aim for Houston at 13.

It would probably cost us #29, #121 and our 2023 1st round pick. I could see Houston going for it because it would give them ammo for a QB in next year's draft.

They would have their own, ours and the Browns.

I enjoy their podcast. they're a buncha goofs and they definitnely can get off topic pretty easily. Them laughing about something for the first 10 minutes sounds about right haha

I agree. It gives it character but it’s just a little too much and super annoying sometimes.

There’s a reason why I provided the exact time earlier and it’s because I didn’t want you guys to suffer listening through the entire thing just to get to the McLaurin part after an hour.

Saw it arbitrarily floated about them using 29 to trade up in the first, and then using 30 to trade back and hopefully get some of the lost capital lost back. Now, I don't think that will be something that is likely to happen, but thought the idea of it was interesting.

Trading up for anything but a pass rusher would be a waste.

If I could do it to get Johnson....maybe.

You'd lose next years 1 but you'd have 2 this year and you could theoretically get some back with a potential trade down.

And if you plan to potentially move Jones this offseason, it could work out.

You could come out of this first round with Johnson and say....Daxton Hill.

They you've revamped your defense and still have the rest of the draft to attack other parts.

If you could do that and get a WR via trade or the draft, you're sitting pretty well.

I would almost look into trading up for Johnson and then maybe trading back out of 30 to a team looking to move up for a QB....if you could pull it off.

He mentioned moving around in the draft. He said specifically that the only way to get a quality DE is to move up from 29 or 30. Mentioned getting that for a reliable starting DE

Colts are signing Armani Watts. Didn't even realize he was a FA.


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I just like having that 5th year option especially if you hit on a cornerstone type dude.

Just don't use it up on a RB

I mean....unless you get Jermaine Johnson or George Karlaftis.....you're looking at rotational guys to start off with.

It's possible they think once you get past that top tier it drops into a large pool of guys.

Say after what...20 or so there isn't much difference player wise in what you coudl get in the 2nd etc.

Those end of the first round picks are just god damn hard to make.

The #Chiefs have signed former #Saints and #Colts DT Taylor Stallworth, per his agent @TesslerSports. He was in for a visit today. Some added depth up front for KC.

The Chiefs could see the DEs as 5 guys in the first tier. Hutchinson, Thibodeaux, Walker, Johnson and Karlaftis.

In their mind, they need to come away with one of them. The first three are pretty unreachable but those last two could depending on how far they fall.

I dig it.

Exactly.

Garbage.

The guy who couldn’t beat out Sorensen… congrats Indy.

I'm willing to bet that's exactly how the Chiefs view it since many of us see it that way and we're just amateur draftniks.

This draft class is REALLY deep. However, it's pretty shallow at the top.

I was thinking about the "move around in the draft" thing. What if they traded a lot to be higher in the 2nd and third and really attack that level of guys. You could likely land several high floor creed/bolton type guys and have less 4/6/7 round flyer guys.

Basically why not use as much ammo as possible to land top 100 guys? And fewer glorified priority free agents.

You've got guys like Sam Williams, Boye Mafe and Cameron Thomas but I'm not 100% sold that they're immediate starters right off the bat. Maybe in our defense but they wouldn't be lighting it up.

Now...if you could get Jermaine Johnson and Cameron Thomas in the first two rounds? That goes along way to improving this defensive line from day 1.

Soooo…

Jones
Nnadi
Stallworth
Saunders
Wharton

I don’t think they plan on drafting a DT early.

Or they're going to draft one high, trade Jones and then watch the fans go nuclear. LMAO

Kinda my view of them and the situation. I think they're all possible starters because we're so light at DE, but I don't know they're immediate impact players. I just don't get Mafe as a R1 value. How would you feel about a Jermain Johnson followed by Travis Jones or other DT in R2?

I'm not sure Mafe is even a fit for our defense. He's not really "on my board" right now.

Do you think Karlaftis is in that?

go get your first round DE, sign Clowney and/or Ingram and call it a day on the edge position

I do. He's a Clowney type. Might not ever be a 15-sack guy but can consistently get to 8-10 year in and year out.

If Armani Watts goes on to be a solid starting or even dime/nickel safety, I'm going to lose a lot of faith in Spags for refusing to ever give him a chance over Dan freaking Sorenson.

Watts is trash.

Trade Jones + 2nd round to Commanders for Terry McLaurin.

Draft DE

It’s that simple :D

They may see guys like Williams and Thomas good players but not necessarily guys that develop into every down type guys or "starters" etc.

Washington is already trying to shed salary because they're paying so much for their DL. They don't want Chris Jones.

No way is McLaurin worth Jones AND a 2nd round pick.

Possibly. This DE class is deep but there's definitely a drop off between the top 5 and the rest.

If they trade up for Jermaine Johnson....then I'm happy. He's the one guy I wanted in the first round.

If they change their draft strategy because of Jones, a JAG, a guy that should probably be a rotational DE and a couple of probable washouts, then they really aren't doing the draft right.

They should that's a pretty trash group

They're definitely drafting a DT this year.

Nnadi and Saunders are FAs after this year. Jones is more than likely gone unless he gets another extension. Stallworth was a 1 year deal.

You shut your whore mouth!!!!

I think I'd prefer to just throw numbers at the DE spot, but that may not work out very well.

Without reading everything did we talk about Armani watts signing with the colts?

Why are we treating McLaurin like he's Devante Adams here?

And again - I was one of the first guys on the McLaurin trade (have said all along that HE was the real miss, not DK Metcalf).

But he's not a game-breaker. He's not someone teams gameplan to stop. He's a very nice player who'd probably be good for 1,300 yards over 17 games. Maybe a little more.

But he's no sort of unicorn. He has okay size, okay speed. His agility is fine, but nothing exceptional. He's a good route-runner but that's just not enough on its own. He's not a high-point guy and he's not a terribly dangerous downfield threat.

If everything - and I mean everything - develops to plan, you may get Chris Godwin sort of performance out of him. And that's fine - but it's fine when you get that from a FA. When you factor in the amount you're willing to give up to acquire him AND the contract he'll demand, it's just too much to give up for a guy that doesn't fundamentally change the nature of your offense.

It's also important to remember that he was a 24 yr old rookie so he's already coming into his age 27 season. He's not exactly a young guy anymore so projecting a lot more from him than what he's done to this point is likely not wise.

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also watts signed with the colts?

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I’ve said it before, but it’s just hard to know how much they really value the position.

I was already skeptical that they would take one early.

By early, I mean with one of their first 3 picks. Top 50.

I think they still draft one. I’m talking about drafting one early.

Because you can say the same thing about EDGE (x2), WR, CB, and S.

The threw a zillion dollars at Chris Jones.

I don't know that they'd be drafting one that they feel is a complement to Chris Jones. I think they'd be drafting one that they feel is a replacement for him as early as next season.

With the idea that he is a rotational guy before then.

Remember last year when we all thought the Chiefs would just take a tackle bc it was a deep class? Turns out they were right about the guys we talked about in our range.

It feels like we’re doing that to ourselves with edge rushers this year. They want their guy and have resources to do it.

It makes sense too. You have plenty of resources and edge rusher is a key position for any team. If we get a really good one cheap it opens up options money wise.

They can find corners and DB’s. They can find WR’s and weapons. They can find OL for the most part.

Seems like pass rusher, LT and QB are the only positions where they need to really go hard at their guy bc it’s so important and tough to find.

On paper, the post Tyreek Chiefs look so bland and worrisome. Had we not traded Tyreek this whole draft could have been about defense. Now it gets complicated. We almost need two studs to replace him THEN draft defense.

The only logical solution I see is to trade down with both firsts. Top of the second round we get Dotson and Pickett. The rest of the draft we draft D. Or we could trade back on one first round pick, draft a top 5 EDGE with the other, then get Dotson. Then we have to rest of the draft to get a CB, DT, LB, and another EDGE. Even a second DT would be good. We have a slim margin for error, like last year.

Ok, Chicken Little.

Plenty of impact WRs are drafted in Rounds 1-3, and we have 6 picks.

1. Who the **** is Pickett?
2. You don't need two studs to replace Tyreek.
3. You aren't drafting a top 5 DE at the bottom of the first round.
4. If you hadn't traded Tyreek...then at best you're spending 4 picks in the top 103 picks all on defense....3 of them being 62 or lower.

Also...you said this season was a waste after we brought back Bieniemy.

I hope so, I believe in Veach. He'll hit it out of the park like last year. :thumb:

Other than 2018, Burt is a top 5 drafter.

I assumed he meant Pickens.

It was hard to tell through all the menstrual blood.

Apply tampon to burn.

1. I meant George Pickens, my bad. I like his game a lot. Stud.
2. I think we DO need two studs to replace Tyreek. Buuut, they say this is a deep WR draft class. It doesn't necessarily have be two first round picks. If Veach could snipe a WR like he snipes CB's we'll be in great shape.
3. One EDGE might fall if a run in QB's and WR's happen. Ojabo, or whatever, will likely slide but not sure he makes it to 29. The Purdue kid looks pretty good. I think we'll have a guy there, maybe J. Johnson.
4. I think we should have paid Tyreek. In the end I think he cooked his goose when he allegedly threatened to hold out. We could have franchised him next year after all. The compensation was solid but nothing more.

I don't remember saying that but I was pretty mad about retaining EB lol. I don't believe he will have near as much control over the offense with Nagy back. Otherwise the front office would never have offered a contract.

Yep.

Your whole life is one bloody tampon.

I mean, we can't possibly know that for sure. Dude had less than 300 snaps in 4 years - never more than 10% of the defensive snaps in a season.

He's *probably* trash, but there's not much sample size to go on.

Go burn your @ss hairs, midget.

You’re gonna get it

And you’re gonna like it

If he was any good, he would have gotten more snaps. Any time he was out there he was completely lost. They saw that every day in practice.

Yup.

Had the skills, lacked the savvy.

You can’t be a stupid safety. Blowing your assignment when you’re the last line of defense is just not acceptable.

Boy we saw a LOT of that from Sorenson...

(to be clear, not saying Watts was good...)

Quick question: Why is drafting 12 rookies "impossible"? Why isn't it considered viable?

Yea, but after Wyatt comes off the board, a future replacement for Jones at 3T seems kind of difficult to find.

I can see them taking a guy like Logan Hall, but somebody like Travis Jones?

As much as I love the player, I just don’t think it’s in the cards.

I’m also starting to buy a trade up being the plan for EDGE, so after that, I think our early picks are more likely to be WR and CB (assuming we have fewer early picks after the trade up).

Just trying to read the tea leaves here.

Good post

Not impossible but teams normally use the extra picks to trade up to get players they want. They could just stay where they are and pick all 12 but it maybe a few to many. Only so many spots for OTAs and camp.