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RustShack

06-13-2010 10:05 PM

I'm still looking for us to pull in Cincinnati, Louisville, and Utah to replace Nebraska, Colorado, and aTm.

WilliamTheIrish

06-13-2010 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PostRockPablo (Post 6819269)

Are there seriously no better restaurants in MHK for your collegiate brass to dine at than Olive Garden?

There's a few others. What can I tell ya?

RustShack

06-13-2010 10:05 PM

I still like the Big East idea too.

ChiefsCountry

06-13-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tits McGee (Post 6819258)

With your ten team Big XII scenario, who would you have as the 5th team in the North division, Baylor?

No divisions in a 10 team league. You would play 9 conference games in football and 18 in basketball.

chiefqueen

06-13-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 6819287)

Did KCTV really report that or was that just a joke?

No joke, Ch. 4 & 41 are reporting it too. Ch. 41 has a reported waiting @ KCI. Supposedly, the PAC-10 Commish is meeting with KU.

Tits McGee

06-13-2010 10:07 PM

TCU, BYU or Utah would fit in nicely.

chiefsfan987

06-13-2010 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefqueen (Post 6819299)

No joke, Ch. 4 & 41 are reporting it too. Ch. 41 has a reported waiting @ KCI. Supposedly, the PAC-10 Commish is meeting with KU.

Actually, I meant the part about the plane having already landed at 9:48pm?

Titty Meat

06-13-2010 10:23 PM

Nick Athan is reporting the meeting has been canceled due to the thunderstorms.

AustinChief

06-13-2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 6819284)

Thinking about pulling in Arkansas is crazy... LSU is ludicrous.

Hence the "miracle" part... TCU and Houston are both possible and would upgrade the conference from both a football and baseball perspective.

RustShack

06-13-2010 10:27 PM

"Sources tell us that Big 12 schools thinking about Pac10 must wait until after Wed. legislative hearing. Pac10 issues Friday deadline."

Titty Meat

06-13-2010 10:29 PM

Kc Star has an article about how its likely the Big XII stays together.

KcMizzou

06-13-2010 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6819331)

Kc Star has an article about how its likely the Big XII stays together.

Quote:

Breaking up the Big 12 is a Powers play
BLAIR KERKHOFF COLLEGES

So we’re clear:

The Big 12 would dissolve despite the potential to make more money on its football contracts than the Pacific-10, leave behind its ultrasuccessful football championship game and basketball tournaments, open the fertile Texas recruiting grounds to another conference, have the Longhorns surrender their considerable influence and possibly their in-house television network and plunge as many as five schools into athletic oblivion because Texas president Bill Powers, a Cal graduate, would rather be associated with the academic powerhouses of the West Coast.

This according to some close to the situation.

OK, just wanted to know where it stood. One man’s academic ambition wrecks multiple schools’ athletics. Check.

But finally, some sense may have entered the dialogue.

A Big 12 source told The Star that commissioner Dan Beebe had made individual pleas with Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M over the weekend, the key players in keeping the conference together.

Beebe hit all of the above notes and undoubtedly played the travel-lunacy card as well.

We’ll know in the next day or two as regents meet at these schools whether Beebe’s efforts were enough. Clearly, the five schools that haven’t been part of the Pac-10 conversations sit on the edge of their seats.

The warp speed of potential change has warped everybody’s thinking in our part of the world. To the many who have sent e-mails, left messages and contacted me to say if Texas, Oklahoma and company leave their relocation, thrill will melt into regret in about five years, I say you’re wrong. Three years tops.

Still, it all may be too little, too late. Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott seems like a chap who doesn’t play to lose, though the developments at College Station are intriguing. Are the Aggies in the Pac-10 or SEC — or are they now the key to holding the Big 12 together? Sunday’s Twitter and unidentified-source wars were fun, though nobody from A&M was talking.

Sunday also brought some Internet airline tracking. Scott’s expansion tour comes courtesy of former Oregon athletic director Pat Kilkenny, the Eugene Register-Guard reported. According to flightaware.com, the plane was scheduled to fly to Kansas City on Sunday night. Unless Scott had a hankering for barbecue before returning home, he figured to be meeting folks at Kansas, speculated as a Pac-10 target.

But the plane stopped in Salt Lake City, home of Utah and another Pac-10 possibility, two days ago.

If the Big 12 doesn’t survive, the 2010-11 season figures to be full of awkward moments and angry gestures between Big 12 schools in what’s shaping up to be the conference’s final chapter.

We’re taking about in the courtroom.

The stuff on the field will be bizarre enough when schools in neighboring states, only hours away from each other, meet for perhaps the final time.

The real competition and drama, however, could be between the university attorneys arguing over the penalties of leaving the conference.

Big 12 bylaws require a two-year notice for leaving, and that school forfeits 50 percent of its revenue, derived mostly from television contracts, bowl games and the NCAA Tournament for those two years.

For instance, if a school receives $10 million from the conference in each of those two years, the $20 million total would be cut in half and the penalty money would be distributed to the remaining schools.

The penalty escalates if notice is given in fewer than two years, but Nebraska made it known Friday at its Big Ten party/Big 12 mortgage burn that it had no intention of paying one penalty dollar even though it will join the new league after next season.

Chancellor Harvey Perlman said it would be “inappropriate” for the Big 12 to enforce the penalty because of the conference’s impending doom. Beebe wasn’t going to let the Cornhuskers off the hook.

“That’s contrary to our bylaws to me,” he said.

On this matter, Beebe will have considerable support from Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State and Baylor, the five schools that as of the moment aren’t being openly courted by another conference.

Say seven schools jump ship and penalties are enforced. The Big 12 will have handed out $139 million to its 12 schools this year. Under the league’s bylaws the lion’s share of that money will be withheld from the lease-breaking seven and awarded to the leftover five.

As much as $20 mil a pop. Nice seed money to start a new life, yes?

Ah, but there’s a snag. The Big 12 is incorporated in Delaware because of the state’s friendly corporate laws.

And where it takes nine votes to change any Big 12 bylaw, there’s nothing on the Big 12 books about dissolution. In Delaware, majority rules, and seven votes could dissolve a conference.

A lame-duck season could give us several interesting matchups like University of Nebraska vs. Big 12 Conference. Make the Big 12 a six-point favorite if the conference somehow stays together.

If that happens, they should take the Huskers’ share and throw a party.

Sam Hall

06-13-2010 10:43 PM

I am baffled that Texas and OU could leave the Big 12, yet the Big 12 could maintain its automatic BCS bid. I might be even more baffled that these schools want to keep the conference alive. I'd rather go to the Mountain West than bow down to Texas.

HerculesRockefell

06-13-2010 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 6819290)

I'm still looking for us to pull in Cincinnati, Louisville, and Utah to replace Nebraska, Colorado, and aTm.

Utah's not coming to the Big XII.

They'll either get:
A&Ms invite if the Aggies do go to the SEC, which means there isn't a Big XII to salvage, or
They'll be team #12 in the Pac 10 if the Big XII South tries to salvage the conference.

alnorth

06-13-2010 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HerculesRockefell (Post 6819376)

Or if you ask Kansas fans, Utah could get left out with Kansas getting A&M's spot. But yeah, I cant think of any scenario that Utah joins the Big 12.

Sure-Oz

06-14-2010 12:30 AM

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/ju...ad-yet/?sports

Big 12 not dead yet
Source says league could survive, with Oklahoma in North

By Matt Tait

June 14, 2010

A source close to the situation told the Journal-World late Sunday night that the Big 12 Conference appears to have moved closer to an agreement with its remaining schools to keep the league together and that Oklahoma University will move to the North Division.

The source said it was unknown whether the Big 12 would move forward as a 10-member league or if it would look to add two new members to replace Colorado and Nebraska, which left for the Pac-10 and Big Ten, respectively, last week.

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The news Sunday flew under the radar of reports out of Texas that said Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott was on a plane bound for Kansas City, Mo., to meet with KU officials.

“That’s a back-up plan,” the source said. “It looks like the Big 12 is staying together.”

The Big 12 appeared to be all but dead just days ago, but a late move by commissioner Dan Beebe might have saved it. Reports indicated that Beebe lobbied hard this weekend with schools in Texas and Oklahoma to convince them to move forward with the Big 12 schools that remained. His selling point was talk of a reworked television deal that would push the per-school payouts to the nearly $17 million annually that’s close to what the SEC pumps out each year and in the neighborhood of what the Pac-10 was eyeing. What’s more, Beebe was reported to have told the University of Texas that it would have permission to proceed with its own network in the future, something the Longhorns have wanted for years.

This news falls in line with what Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione has said all along.

“I understand people are writing this like the ship has sailed and there really isn’t any way the Big 12 could stay together,” Castiglione told The Oklahoman. “I just don’t think this is true. I think there’s still a way for us to stick together and be viable.

“There’s still proof that 11 or 10 teams together can create some significant value — even more than where we are with 12.”

A meeting of the UT regents scheduled for Tuesday likely will go a long way toward determining the outcome, and concerns remain over Texas A&M’s flirtation with the SEC.

chiefsfan987

06-14-2010 01:07 AM

Yeah, but that 17 million dollars if I'm not mistaken comes from an 18 year contract. Who is going to agree to that?

chiefsfan987

06-14-2010 01:09 AM

Yeah, its an 18 year contract.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/06...t-further.html

DenverChief

06-14-2010 04:30 AM

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COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — Missouri curators met behind closed doors Sunday night for the fourth time in as many days as the school turns its attention to saving the Big 12 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif Conference after its apparent bid to join the Big Ten failed.
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The meeting followed two days of discussions in Columbia amid a shifting landscape that saw fellow Big 12 members Colorado and Nebraska bolt for the Pac-10 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif and Big Ten, respectively.

Missouri was considered one of the top prospects for an expanded Big Ten http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif, and the school could still wind up there as conference realignment continues to unfold.

For now, school officials are publicly pledging their loyalty to a 10-team Big 12 — even as their counterparts in Texas and Oklahoma prepare for their own private meetings this week that could result in an exodus from the conference, with as many as five Big 12 teams possibly headed to the Pac-10.

Chancellor Brady Deaton told alumni in an e-mail he "will do everything possible to assure the success of the conference." He offered similar assurances Sunday night at a crowded news briefing on the steps of University Hall http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif after the one-hour curator meeting, which resulted in no action.

He noted Missouri's century-old history with the schools that form the core of the Big 12 and its predecessors — institutions such as Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State that are also faced with trying to save the conference.

"We have been a proud member of the Big Six, Big Seven and Big Eight, and we continue to take great pride in the accomplishments of the Big 12," Deaton wrote while noting Missouri's role in forming the Missouri Valley http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1907. "Our position as a member for more than 100 years gives us a great appreciation for the tremendous value of our conference and a vital stake in its future."

Those words represent a sharp turn from Missouri's previously stated interest in exploring all its options with conference realignment.
But those earlier flirtations came before Nebraska's departure and assertions from both Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany and Big 12 leader Dan Beebe that the oldest conference in Division I sports was not targeting any other Big 12 schools — at least for the time being.
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Missouri's interest in joining a bigger and broader Big Ten was met with criticism Friday from Nebraska Chancellor Harvey Perlman, who cited public comments by Deaton, Athletics director Mike Alden and Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon as fodder for the 14-year-old Big 12's possible collapse.

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Alden responded by calling such assertions "silly" and "ridiculous." And

University of Missouri system President Gary Forsee said the school bears no blame for simply protecting its self-interest.

"We were only doing what you would expect any institution, whether you're sitting here or in Lawrence, Kan., or Waco, Texas," Forsee said. "Did we contribute more or less than any other institution in the Big 12 or nationally? No. I think we've all been caught up in now this national discussion that certainly has spread beyond the Big Ten, and the Big 12 is certainly in the middle of that."

That would be the 10-team Big 12, as Deaton pointed out after struggling to differentiate Missouri's current home with the now 12-team Big Ten and 11-member Pac-10.

"We're working hard to strengthen the Big 12, or the Big Ten as it is right now. In other words,the 10 institutions left in the Big 12.

"Nomenclature is very difficult in this process," Deaton said.

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DenverChief

06-14-2010 04:37 AM

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Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe's plan to save his beleaguered conference reportedly has come to light and is good enough that think tanks at Texas, Texas A&M and elsewhere — including Oklahoma and Oklahoma State — are listening.

Meanwhile Sunday, Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott continued his whirlwind face-to-face meetings with various members of the Big 12.

On Saturday, Scott boarded a private plane (registered to a University of Oregon booster) in Northern California that made stops in Oklahoma City, College Station, Austin, Lubbock, Austin again, and on Sunday night was scheduled for Kansas City, though the aircraft apparently remained in South Texas.

Scott is meeting with presidents, chancellors and/or athletic directors, though his precise intent hasn't been made known. On Saturday, he met with OU president David Boren and AD Joe Castiglione as well as OSU president Burns Hargis and AD Mike Holder. Oklahoma regents called a special meeting for Wednesday.

Texas and Texas Tech regents meet Tuesday, and
OU and OSU sources have said they will follow Texas' lead. The Big 12's board of regents has a conference call scheduled for Thursday.

Beebe said last week he had spoken with consultants and network analysts who assured him that a renegotiated Big 12 television package would be every bit as lucrative as those in the Big Ten ($22 million per school last year), the SEC ($17 million) and even Scott's proposal for an enlarged Pac-10 ($20-25 million).

On Sunday, Beebe's plan was detailed by Orangebloods.com through unnamed sources. His proposal, starting with a renegotiated deal with Fox Sports Net next year, would pay schools $17 million starting in 2012, according to Orangebloods.com.

Also, Beebe expects to get liquidation penalties from the departure of Colorado and Nebraska — money withheld from those schools' television revenues over the next two years — in excess of $20 million. That money would be distributed to the remaining 10 schools.

And perhaps most significantly, Beebe's plan would allow for schools to pursue their own television networks.

Lastly, a 10-team Big 12 would mean nine scheduled league games, which would alleviate schools having to pay a huge guarantee to try to acquire a fourth nonconference foe.

"My plan is about what's best for the citizens in this part of the country and for the student-athletes and not having this section of the country with all its major institutions connected to conferences that aren't even here," Beebe told Orangebloods.com. "We shouldn't be a fly-over zone."

Another key could be Texas A&M. The Aggies are reportedly split between the Pac-10 and SEC, though AD Bill Byrne, mirroring comments from Texas AD DeLoss Dodds, has said his first priority is to keep the Big 12 together. The Houston Chronicle reported Sunday that A&M is expected to choose the SEC, though school spokesman Jason Cook said the Aggies are evaluating and "all options continue to be on the table."

A statement by A&M president R. Bowen Loftin said with the departure of Colorado and Nebraska last week, "the Big 12 is certainly not what it was," and said the school was "aggressively exploring our options, one of which is for the Big 12 to continue in some form," and acknowledged the school has had "extensive discussions with other conferences in the past two days."

SportsIllustrated.com reports that presidents at Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech have accepted invitations to appear Wednesday at a hearing before the Texas House of Representatives subcommittee on higher education to "make the case for why change is going to be a good thing," said State Rep. Dan Branch (R-Dallas).

Late Sunday night, the Austin American Statesman reported that Big 12 schools thinking about leaving for the Pac-10 must wait until after the Texas legislature's hearing, and that the Pac-10 has issued a Friday deadline for schools to decide.

The Kansas City Star on Sunday quoted an unnamed source close to the situation as saying the Big 12's chances are "significantly greater than 24 hours ago."

The Star also reported that officials at Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Missouri and Baylor voted unanimously via conference call they would prefer to continue in the Big 12.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextr...1_Bigcom200409

DaKCMan AP

06-14-2010 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6819273)

OU. The most fitting Nebraska replacement.

I still think you kick both of them up to the north and add TCU and Houston to the south or if you could pull off a miracle... get Arkansas and LSU.

ROFL

That would be a miracle. No school wants to leave the SEC.

kepp	06-14-2010 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 6818321)

Utah's ace in the hole is Sen. Hatch, that's the only reason it is a tossup.

Relative to the Pac10, Utah, IMO, is the clear choice over ku. The Pac10 is a football conference and Utah is the much better choice for that. They're also much better location-wise. And, yes, Sen. Hatch would be a good friend for the Pac10 to have.

the Talking Can

06-14-2010 06:49 AM

not sure who is on 810 right now, but he's convinced the "Beebe plan" is real and UT is working hard to make it happen....

i just don't see where the tv money comes from for a 10 team big 12...

edit*

it was chip brown

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819513)

ROFL

That would be a miracle. No school wants to leave the SEC.

Arkansas might.

They are a proud program, and no matter the $$$, a school like that will get tired of their neighbors hoisting up championship trophies while they celebrate yet another 7-5 season.

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6819351)

I'd rather go to the Mountain West than bow down to Texas.

That is because your team can't beat Texas. ;)

kepp	06-14-2010 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billay (Post 6819168)

Pearlman and Osborne are brilliant people.

And they're quite professional too.

eazyb81

06-14-2010 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819543)

Arkansas might.

They are a proud program, and no matter the $$$, a school like that will get tired of their neighbors hoisting up championship trophies while they celebrate yet another 7-5 season.

Maybe in a normal situation, but I can't see any way Arkansas leaves a very stable spot in the SEC for a potentially crumbling Big 12.

Way too high risk of a move.

kepp	06-14-2010 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam Hall (Post 6819351)

I might be even more baffled that these schools want to keep the conference alive. I'd rather go to the Mountain West than bow down to Texas.

That's because you already have a cushy landing spot.

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 6819551)

Maybe in a normal situation, but I can't see any way Arkansas leaves a very stable spot in the SEC for a potentially crumbling Big 12.

Way too high risk of a move.

True.

kepp	06-14-2010 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefsfan987 (Post 6819448)

Yeah, but that 17 million dollars if I'm not mistaken comes from an 18 year contract. Who is going to agree to that?

This could be Mizzou's last push for a Big10 invite. There has been some speculation that the Big10 was just sitting on the invite seeing how everything plays out because they know they have MU in their back pocket (which is true). If MU says, "Hey, we're about to sign an 18 year contract for just as much $$ as you can offer", maybe it forces the Big10's hand.

Then again, I can't see the MU administration thinking proactively like that and I'm just blindly hoping.

kepp	06-14-2010 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 6819540)

not sure who is on 810 right now, but he's convinced the "Beebe plan" is real and UT is working hard to make it happen....

I would actually believe that. It's the only scenario where UT doesn't have to sign over their media rights and, as a result, could start their own network. And from what I've heard, that is one of their top goals.

I have conflicting feelings about this though. I definitely don't want to be in the same conference as UT when this is all said and done, but I wouldn't mind OU moving to the north division. That would give us (Mizzou) consistent top-level competition that would serve us well in the long run.

the Talking Can

06-14-2010 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819556)

i don't understand not wanting to be with UT

they have high level football and bball programs, a national brand, and a rich recruiting area

as a KU fan, I want KU stapled to UT's backside...if the price of KU being in the bcs, having access to texas recruits (without which KU football is fooked), and making real football money is UT getting a bigger cut...so what?

plus, UT provides a real bball power for KU to spar with, and brings top 20 recruits to the big 12 yearly which helps the leagues perception with all recruits...

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 07:40 AM

kstate_pres

The fab five (K-State, KU, MU, ISU, and BU) are working hard to promote a 10-team Big 12 conference - which could be a financial boon for us

Los Pollos Hermanos

06-14-2010 07:40 AM

ChipBrownOB

Orangebloods.com: According to sources, Texas will announce as early as today that UT will commit to a 10-member Big 12.

ChipBrownOB

Here is the latest bombshell in college realignment: Texas willing to commit to 10-member Big 12. ... http://bit.ly/dtrXTm

DeezNutz

06-14-2010 07:43 AM

"The Fab Five." LMAO.

KSU, you ****ers kill me.

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819572)

"The Fab Five." LMAO.

KSU, you ****ers kill me.

I love our President. He's unintentionally hilarious.

BigRedChief

06-14-2010 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 6819570)

Why the hell would they not? They control the league. Why leave for one they don't control?

Old Dog

06-14-2010 07:55 AM

add Memphis and ??? to get back to 12 to keep the championship game in football?

Move OU and OSU to the North

BWillie

06-14-2010 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 6819570)

lol.....everybody wants to take nebraskas money bcuz they r breaking the bylaws and not giving two yrs notice

Old Dog

06-14-2010 07:56 AM

I would almost like to see KU to the PAC-10 and KSU to either the Big East or even MWC

DaKCMan AP

06-14-2010 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819543)

Arkansas might.

They are a proud program, and no matter the $$$, a school like that will get tired of their neighbors hoisting up championship trophies while they celebrate yet another 7-5 season.

Arkansas is poised for a very good season in football. They could realistically challenge Alabama for the SEC West.

They played in the SEC Championship game 4 years ago. It's not like they're the conference doormat.

healthpellets

06-14-2010 07:58 AM

So just how much does ISU owe Texas if the Big12 is maintained?

DeezNutz

06-14-2010 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truebigdog (Post 6819590)

add Memphis and ??? to get back to 12 to keep the championship game in football?

Move OU and OSU to the North

**** Memphis.

If we're going to add, I'd prefer the likes of TCU and New Mexico. I'd say Houston, but I don't want to add TX/TX.

the Talking Can

06-14-2010 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6819596)

**** Memphis.

If we're going to add, I'd prefer the likes of TCU and New Mexico. I'd say Houston, but I don't want to add TX/TX.

seriously

memphis is a juco academically, and their football program is a train wreck with no institutional support inspite of their connections to fedex...

healthpellets

06-14-2010 08:03 AM

Let's be real for a minute. this proposed new tv deal would pay something like 15M for the next 18 years? How's that gonna look in year 10 if other conferences are pulling in an average of 25M after reworking their tv deals?

Old Dog

06-14-2010 08:03 AM

that's true, we know it isn't money driving this at all

Old Dog

06-14-2010 08:04 AM

FWIW, that wasn't a "what I want".....I'm just wondering how realistic it is. IF the league stays together I don't see how they wouldn't try to get back to 12 to keep the championship game

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truebigdog (Post 6819605)

FWIW, that wasn't a "what I want".....I'm just wondering how realistic it is. IF the league stays together I don't see how they wouldn't try to get back to 12 to keep the championship game

They don't want the championship game.

RockChalk

06-14-2010 08:09 AM

According to Chip Brown at Orangebloods, it looks like now A&M has the ball in their court. Texas has committed to the Big 12 verbally, so now A&M has to decide what to do.

This was just confirmed on 810 by KK per a conversation with KState president Schulz

Bambi

06-14-2010 08:10 AM

Oklahoma to the North.

This is exactly what i said would happen.

DeezNutz

06-14-2010 08:10 AM

Kietzman: More disparity on the way.

Seven schools having to offer attractive financial package to Texas, A&M, and OU.

BWillie

06-14-2010 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truebigdog (Post 6819590)

add Memphis and ??? to get back to 12 to keep the championship game in football?

Move OU and OSU to the North

Kinda odd that they don't want to add anybody. I know Colorado was an underperformer but when you take out Nebraska I would think everybody would lose a little revenue per team

Saulbadguy

06-14-2010 08:14 AM

ESPNAndyKatz

If remaining Big 12 stays together it is a better bbk league without Neb and Colo.

mikeyis4dcats.

06-14-2010 08:15 AM

UPKS says "no talk" of adding back 2 teams.

Old Dog

06-14-2010 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819610)

They don't want the championship game.

I hadn't heard that. I haven't been following this as closely as some have though.

Bambi

06-14-2010 08:16 AM

810 saying if the numbers hold up the Big 12 North schools will all make more money than Nebraska.

ROFL

DaKCMan AP

06-14-2010 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy (Post 6819610)

They don't want the championship game.

Which is dumb. It brings in huge revenue and legitimizes your conference champ in the eyes of voters.

Los Pollos Hermanos

06-14-2010 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819615)

Oklahoma to the North.

This is exactly what i said would happen.

If there are only 10 teams, there won't be a North and South anymore.

|Zach|

06-14-2010 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 6819627)

Which is dumb. It brings in huge revenue and legitimizes your conference champ in the eyes of voters.

Wah? The Big 10 has found its way into a lot of Championships without it.

Mizzou would have gone to a national title game had there been to champ. game.

Bambi

06-14-2010 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 6819628)

If there are only 10 teams, there won't be a North and South anymore.

Why not? They'll still want a Championship Game.

Los Pollos Hermanos

06-14-2010 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by truebigdog (Post 6819625)

I hadn't heard that. I haven't been following this as closely as some have though.

Stoops has been vocally against the Championship game for years.

Los Pollos Hermanos

06-14-2010 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819636)

Why not? They'll still want a Championship Game.

There won't be a championship game with 10 teams.

kepp	06-14-2010 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819626)

810 saying if the numbers hold up the Big 12 North schools will all make more money than Nebraska.

ROFL

That would be kind of poetic.

mikeyis4dcats.

06-14-2010 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819636)

Why not? They'll still want a Championship Game.

no, they don't thats the whole point. Have you not been paying attention?

morphius

06-14-2010 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819626)

810 saying if the numbers hold up the Big 12 North schools will all make more money than Nebraska.

ROFL

That is a pretty big if, you just took 1/3 of the teams that get on national TV out of the league.

kepp	06-14-2010 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 6819639)

There won't be a championship game with 10 teams.

There can't be, right? I thought that NCAA rules stated that you had to have 12 teams for a CCG.

DaKCMan AP

06-14-2010 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6819635)

Wah? The Big 10 has found its way into a lot of Championships without it.

Mizzou would have gone to a national title game had there been to champ. game.

You have to run the table or have everyone else lose to do it. The SEC Championship game is the reason why SEC teams can get to the Championship game with losses and why they get chosen over teams with the same record.

It's believed one of the reasons the Big 10 wanted to get to 12 teams is so they can add a champ. game. It brings in enormous $$.

Los Pollos Hermanos

06-14-2010 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819645)

There can't be, right? I thought that NCAA rules stated that you had to have 12 teams for a CCG.

Yeah, that's my point.

DaKCMan AP

06-14-2010 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 6819638)

Stoops has been vocally against the Championship game for years.

Stoops is a wuss.

healthpellets

06-14-2010 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819615)

Oklahoma to the North.

This is exactly what i said would happen.

why would that happen? 9 game conf schedule so no need for divisions.

kepp	06-14-2010 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsfansofDallas (Post 6819648)

Yeah, that's my point.

:thumb: Gotcha...I wasn't sure some others understood that.

healthpellets

06-14-2010 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wickedson (Post 6819636)

Why not? They'll still want a Championship Game.

for as often as you post in this thread, i thought you would have a bit better grasp of what's going on.

Bambi

06-14-2010 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kepp (Post 6819640)

That would be kind of poetic.

Everyone made fun of my link to Fox's TV deal with the Big 12 that would run through 2050 and feature a National Big 12 Game of the Week every Saturday night on the Fox mothership.

Oh also, how is Nebraska supposed to recruit Texas now?

Hope they like those NB, ND, SD, and Montana players...

DaKCMan AP

06-14-2010 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets (Post 6819653)

for as often as you post in this thread, i thought you would have a bit better grasp of what's going on.

He's too busy telling us he's right to notice that he's wrong.

Bambi

06-14-2010 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets (Post 6819653)

for as often as you post in this thread, i thought you would have a bit better grasp of what's going on.

Why cause I didn't know there was a ncaa rule saying you had to have 12 teams for a champ game?

Wow, you're so right.

**** off.

healthpellets

06-14-2010 08:35 AM

so, here's the way it's gonna play out.

TX has said they will commit to a new Big12 if the TV revenue is there and they can have the TAN.

However, TX knows that aTm will go to the SEC, thereby letting TX off the hook, yet TX can still look like the good guy.

TX and the other four will depart for the PAC10 no later than Friday.

The North schools run for cover because they actually believed that this new Big12 was gonna work. Silly them.

Los Pollos Hermanos

06-14-2010 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets (Post 6819658)

Unfortunately, that's probably dead on.

hawkchief

06-14-2010 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by healthpellets (Post 6819658)

so, here's the way it's gonna play out.

TX has said they will commit to a new Big12 if the TV revenue is there and they can have the TAN.

However, TX knows that aTm will go to the SEC, thereby letting TX off the hook, yet TX can still look like the good guy.

TX and the other five will depart for the PAC10 no later than Friday.

The North schools run for cover because they actually believed that this new Big12 was gonna work. Silly them.

I hope like hell this is right. Absolutely NO interest in being a pawn in Texas power play. I want KU to pick up their chips and rid itself of a disingenuous MU, a lame coat-tailing KSU and a conference where Texas holds all of the cards. On the the PAC 16 if possible - ASAP!

Archie Bunker

06-14-2010 08:40 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5284375

Sources: Departure to Pac-10 coming
By Joe Schad
ESPN
Archive

The departure of Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to the Pac-10 is imminent, four sources within the Big 12 said Monday.

One source said Dan Beebe's last-minute plan to save the conference has "zero" chance to succeed. Another source said it is "very unlikely" to succeed.

Texas' interests in being aligned with the research opportunities and academic missions of Pac-10 schools is driving the decision, along with money.

Beebe's last-ditch plan included an emotional plea about preserving rivalries and maintaining the best welfare of the student-athlete, one source said.

Texas A&M is now most likely to join the SEC, a source within the Big 12 said. This move, in the wake of Colorado and Nebraska's departure, would further diminish the chance of Beebe's plan succeeding, one source said.

Texas' decision is expected to come no later than Tuesday. One source familiar with Texas' plans suggested a hearing on Wednesday at the Texas House of Representatives is "a nonfactor."

Al Bundy

06-14-2010 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkchief (Post 6819661)

I hope like hell this is right. Absolutely NO interest in being a pawn in Texas power play. I want KU to pick up their chips and rid itself of a disingenuous MU, a lame KSU and a conference where Texas holds all of the cards. On the the PAC 16 if possible - ASAP!

Where you will be controlled by USC and Texas... and still suck in football.

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