I'm just not as high on Burden as some. If he were as high upside as you guys are saying, I dunno that he'd be around at the end of the 1st...

Burden for me


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Conerly if he is still there is what my gut is telling me.

With the understanding that Walter Nolen is gone way before we can think to acquire, this is my final wish list.

1. Derrick Harmon
2. Luther Burden
3. TreVeyon Henderson
4. Jahdae Barron
5. Trey Amos

A few things:

-Barron is falling in mocks and apparently on some teams board bc of why McDuffie did (not tall enough/short arms). Would be amazing value if we got him.
-Conerly makes no sense to me. He didn’t play RT. So we have him either learn to play on the other side which makes no sense or we draft him to replace Jaylon Moore before Moore even plays a snap? I would trust them if they did but not sure I recommend it.
-The first rd DT’s remaining outside of Harmon are not really better in my eyes than what is available in rd 2.

This is a guy who would have been drafted at or around where Brian Thomas Jr was last year. It makes so much sense to me. But people think he regressed so it may happen.

The list of WRs who dropped to the 2nd and then became stars is crazy long.

It happened to Davante Adams ffs

His platform season wasn't good.

And I do think there are SOME teams that would struggle with him. If you put him out there as a WR1 with a relatively inexperienced QB, you might get him trying to bully guys.

But there isn't a team/system/staff in all of football better situated to handle any issues he has. And as I said previously, those issues just aren't real 'character' issues as much as they are competitive issues. I don't mind 'em -- especially not in this environment.

I mean who the **** is he really gonna 'big time' in this organization? You think he's gonna go out there and show up Patrick ****ing Mahomes?

And as for the platform season - I just absolutely believe that was the staff and his QBs that were to blame. I watched every game (or 90% of them) in his college career and the traits NEVER changed. They were always there.

And if September of last year we were worried this guy was going to go top 5 to the ****ing Broncos. Because the traits were THAT obvious. Every last one of them were still there last season.

His coaches and QB just didn't use him like they should. They used him as a decoy and gadget because at some point they realized that the QB was mind-****ed. Then he got hurt and Drew Pyne was worse than you and I would've been.

So many people are saying "If Simmons is there, we have to take him because injury has pushed a talent we NEVER get a shot at this late in the draft if he's healthy..."

Well you know what? That exact logic applies to Burden. But it wasn't HIS injury that's pushed that top 10 talent down to us. It was Cooks. And it was a talent drain from Mizzou that I mentioned in the Mizzou thread that we just didn't really recognize at the time.

This IS the same top 10 talent he was. And his QBs injuries and team circumstances are pushing him down to us where he just shouldn't be.

I'd take him without blinking. I might take him over Harmon and even Nolen. I am that sold on the pure ability.

im not either, don’t necessarily hate the idea of drafting him because we’ve seen what happens when our WR’s get hurt. There’s just other positions I’d go to if available.

Not that it means ANYTHING, but has there been any reports of the chiefs meeting with Burden? I was just curious.

Look, man.

I put in some REALLY solid groundwork with the wife last night. And ultimately this draft is probably gonna last until 11 or later - so it's probably all for naught.

If I bypass the culmination of those efforts just to get to 31 and see us trade out of that pick, Brett Veach had better have some of those Massage Therapists handy to make things right for me...

So would you say those 70 something % of those catches within 10 yards were because of QB issues and needing to exploit his YAC ability? I just didn’t watch him enough to know as much as you do

Those other positions have depth. Not talking OT because frankly I don't like any of them. But DT can get easily gotten later and so can RB and so can CB or Safety.

You won't get Burden's talent at 62 though

The Saints are reportedly trying to move down to acquire assets and move back up in late rd 1, presumably for Jaxon Dart.

If we don’t trade up, and the board is dry, I’d listen to the offer. If they're offering top 100 pick I’d probably take the deal.

Nope

Were there any reports of the Chiefs meeting with Rice or Zay Flowers? I honestly can't remember. I know Mahomes threw the ball around with them but I think that was hush hush?

Absolutely.

Watch him downfield. There's not a guy in this class who tracks and adjusts to balls better than he does. He has enough speed to keep DBs honest and the fluidity and acceleration through his cuts to make them pay if they cheat on him.

He'll be an absolute demon in the intermediate areas, IMO.

He's not a limited receiver in any way, shape or form. It was ENTIRELY a by-product of his QB. And I do wonder if there weren't some attempts by Drink to keep him from getting killed. Because Cook misses downfield a lot and there were a ton of times that Burden just wasn't willing to let that ball go by -- he'd try to make a play on it and just get blasted.

I said it every year he was in CoMo -- Burden's going to get himself killed playing the way he does. I hear this 'desire concerns' stuff and its just dumb. The biggest issue that kid had was that he was exposing himself to some shots that he really shouldn't have trying to make a play.

Hits that would've broken Worthy in half.

And he'd do it in the return game as well; instead of going OOB after 12 yards, he'd cut upfield to get 15 and then get unloaded on.

No, he's not the reason he was catching short passes. He's just so good at YAC and his QB was so bad at...everything...that they were doing that to try to get him the ball.

Glad to see this. I just started regularly watching MU games again this past year and kept wondering what was up with this player I had heard so much hype about. The shitty QB play was extremely obvious, but yeah the gadget stuff and just not seeing Burden somehow rise above it had me wondering.

I'd have been more concerned had he NOT been pissed about how he was used last year.

Now there WAS a stretch in there (I think with Pyne under center) where he sure as shit looked like he quit. He had a quarter against South Carolina (I think) where he was essentially pouting.

He has that crayon in his crayon box. But I just think that's a trait common to all WRs. I mean the one guy who DIDN'T have it from the top WRs in last year's class was Odunze and he disappointed.

It's like saying a LB is crazy -- I WANT a little crazy in my LBs. I can't have 11 goddamn lunatics on my defense, but give me a psychopath somewhere in my LB room and my DL.

I can't have 3 diva's all demanding the ball in my WR room, no. But man, you can carry 1. Hell you can carry 2. And I think we have plenty of room for that -- and that's PRESUMING that Burden is a Diva and I'm really not even willing to concede that point.

Yep. All will be forgiven for those useless ****s Cook and Drinkwitz if they really did manage to suck so badly it pushed Burden to the back of round one.

But...if he were really that last year, wouldn't it be likely teams would be willing to go with what you're saying here and draft him there?

Or is it just as likely he's what he is now and woulda been overhyped last year?

I don't know, don't really have an opinion on it either way to be sure.

Could TE be the under radar pick? IMO have 4 TEs that move the needle and 3 may go in first and the 4th might not be around for our 2nd. I think Mason Taylor at 31 would be surprising, but would make some sense.

It’s got to be Burden surely if he’s still around

Would hate to miss out on a guy who could be as productive as Brian Thomas Jr who also went lower than he should.


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Slides happen when guys are 2nd on boards.

And I think there's a decent chance that Burden just ends up 2nd on a lot of boards.

Some teams will be looking at different positions. Other teams have legitimate concerns if they can bring his personality into their locker-room. Still others will wonder if they can fully utilize him within their offense.

Many of them will just be wrong, IMO. And all of them will still like him, just maybe not quite as much as others.

But to your point, yes - that's absolutely my biggest worry. That a team like the Ravens - a team with few needs and a very stable organization - will grab him right in front of us. Because they'll be focused purely on the raw talent and the Ravens often seem to avoid overthinking things.

If you focus on talent and avoid overthinking it, Burden is a spectacular get in the last 1st round. I can only hope that the Ravens focus more on their defense than getting a weapon for Jackson.

You're kinda making my point for me though. If he is that special, top 10 type talent....why would he make it to the end of round 1? Especially in a draft like this, devoid of true difference makers.

Wouldn't it be more likely he was always this?

Taylor would be an example of a team trying to replace a HoFer instead of pivot away from him.

It would be a mistake.

I don't think Taylor's a 1st round talent. If he becomes what you hope he becomes, he's a top 10(ish) TE. Which is...fine. But it's not a guy you build your offense around.

If we get Taylor it's because we're just trying to maintain the same thing we've done for years in the hopes that we get a 1 for 1 replacement for the best TE to ever play.

We can't. We won't. Not even if we somehow got Warren. And Taylor ain't Warren.

I'm not interested in a 1st round TE.

But he very obviously wasn't in 2023. In 2023 when he got solid QB play (not even great QB play) he established his true talent level.

So no. It's not more likely he was always this because he WASN'T this the season prior.

What I'm saying though, is if teams thought that, why would he last to our pick?

Because teams talk themselves into reasons to not take guys at times. Happens all the time.

Top 10 talents that play wr? That....doesn't seem to happen much, especially these days.

What does he NOT do at an extremely high level?

Use Rice as a baseline. Find me anything that Rice did better coming out of college than Burden.

I can't find one. They played an extremely similar style - Burden just does all those things a little bit better.

Brian Thomas Jr, Jared Verse, Quinyon Mitchell, Trent McDuffie. Happens every year.

They fall bc about 1/3 of the teams aren’t drafting BPA. They’re drafting to save their job.

Big run on specific players pushes guys down the board. We saw it last year when so many teams took QB and OL. This year there’s gonna be a shit load of DL and OL picked early pushing these guys down the board.

And somebody will take Shedeur or Dart too

His most notable traits -- physicality and body control/ball tracking -- are difficult to quantify.

It's why a guy like Adams falls. Hell, it's why Jefferson fell. They don't jump off the page in any single area. They're just guys that do a LOT of things really well and their best traits are easier to overlook than a guy like Worthy who runs fast or a guy like Tet McMillan who's just very damn big.

A 'sum of very strong parts' guy is just someone that's harder to project and doesn't always leap off your screen.

But I just struggle a TON to find a skill that isn't at least good for an NFL wide receiver. Maybe release?

All the rest of it is related to use. His route tree, his focus, his attitude, his snaps on the boundary. It's ALL use. Hell, even the release questions are mostly because Mizzou used him a lot in the slot or out of the backfield. When on the boundary, he generally did fine there in the limited times he was out wide and teams pressed him.

Purely from traits, there's nothing he doesn't do very very well.

Yeah I mean, do the 2023 draft over and Rice goes in the top 20 no question

So we have a player in Burden who looks better than Rice coming out.


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We're kinda talking different things there though.

Top 10 talents just don't end up in the 2nd round. Those guys you listed slid, to the mid first.

A guy available at the end of the first probably isn't waht's being claimed. Doesn't mean by any means he's not or won't end up a really good player.

If he is in any way an upgrade over Rice - which he looks like could well be - he has to be taken at 31.

Hell, I'd take him if he was an upgrade over Worthy, which I think is almost certain.

Adams went in the 2nd, no?

Rice did and he'd go first in a Re-draft

Were they top 10 type talents though?

We've entered "Tom went in the 6th" territory.

I'm by no means saying he's a bad prospect. He's a first rounder.

I just take some issue with "top 10 talent".

But now you're just operating in a circular loop.

"Top 10 talents don't go in the 2nd. Adams wasn't a top 10 talent because he went in the second..."

He was CLEARLY a top 10 talent, he just got overlooked because his strengths weren't readily apparent and obviously measurable.

My point is that a top 10 raw talent who's talents are more obscured (Adams route-running) can slide. Maybe not at OL or even DL where there's a decided lack of guys who simply have the body types that can do the job.

But at WR? There are a TON of guys every year who are between 5'11" and 6'2" who can run in the 4.4s and who certainly measure the part. The ones that succeed do so in the margins.

I think Burden has shown a ton of potential in those margins.

He's EXACTLY the sort of guy who might slide because he's a guy who's measurables are all very good but who's only flashed the stuff you see in the margins. And I believe that's because of the strangest usage I've seen in the platform season of a blue chip prospect in a very very long time.

Doing what they did to Burden would've been like taking someone like Bijan and putting him at fullback in his platform year coming off an exemplary sophomore season.

What they did with Burden this year was just so very, very strange.

Then what the heck are we doing here?

If he's a first rounder, take him at 31!

The rest is semantics.

The only thing that would really piss me off is if we don’t draft a receiving threat in the first 2 rds.

WR is not in a great place and the room has gone to shit overall the last 2 years.

By far the biggest early need to me. We can get a dynamic stud RB in rd 3 or 4.

Burden looks like a Terry Mclaurin with less crisp route running.

That comp is close (though I think Egbuka is a McLaurin CLONE).

When you watch tape of him working routes 1x1 against guys, his routes look crisp, and he routinely creates huge amounts of separation. And with his ability to stop, start, cut, and accelerate, he has the physical tools to just route guys the eff up over time.

Re: off-field concerns, he stayed at Mizzou even though he was offered huge money to leave (more than they were paying) and even though he was told it would be better for his stock to work in an offense where he had more help.

He stayed. Loyalty was a factor for him (he also was well compensated).

In he is in a good organization, I don't think it will be a problem. If he's playing for a bad org or with trash QBs, it could be a problem.

I think he'd struggle under Brian Daboll, for example. But send him to Pittsburgh or Kansas City or Buffalo or Baltimore, and I think he does just fine.

Worthy
Hollywood-hasn’t played a full season since 2021
Rice-suspension? Could take awhile to get back from the knee
Juju-knee issues, will likely miss time. Isn’t explosive anymore
Skyy-lmao
Ross-lmao
Thornton-could be a decent depth player but not a top 4 WR

Add that Kelce’s explosion is gone and he’s probably a decoy or zone beater at this point.

Yeah…WR is a huge need.

Can I change my pick?

I don't think Simmons makes it to us.


I am switching to Derrick Harmon.

Yeah, I just don't get why folks look at our OL with 5 starters in place for 2025 and say OL is a huge need.

Then look at our pass catchers and say WR is a luxury item.

They both look VERY similar to me.

So take the guy with two knees and more talent...

My sneaky Bart trade up pick is for Will Johnson. He was a legit top 5 pick but some injury concerns and teams over thinking. That seems like the move Veetch would make.

Also…am I crazy for thinking I’d rather trade up from 63 than 31?

Harmon falling due to medicals
Burden likely being there
Henderson might be there

Seems like there’s so much value this year. Good as players in abundance. But it feels like a drop off might happen at DT around our pick at 63 based on who we might like (ahem Josh Farmer) and at WR it’s already a drop but maybe one of last options for a weapon like Arroyo or Noel as a weapon.

I think we see action involving 63 or 66. Either moving BACK from 63, or up from 63.

Shoot, I think there's a decent chance we see action at BOTH of those picks. Move up 10-12 spots from 63, move back 10-12 spots from 66.

Another thing about Burden I feel like some posters here are thinking he's only worth taking if he's a bonafide WR 1 and I'm like nah he makes our receiving room amazing you have two guys to can work in and out of the slot getting hard catches and adding a ton of yards after the catch then you have two guys in Worthy and Hollywood who have jets.

I'm pushing hard for that to be a reality. I think it could be and it would be AMAZING. And we need it when Kelce is gone.

Burden is also fast enough to be a real threat down the field in the 3x1 sets if he's left 1x1 either out of the stack or as the isolated player.

A WR room of Burden, Worthy, and Rice would let you evolve your offense without really evolving it.

Rice becomes your Kelce replacement. We saw at the start of the year that he can do a lot of the things that Kelce did/does. Obviously, the YAC. But he's really crafty at finding spots in zones, and he's got the short-area quickness and slippery-ness to create short separation.

Worthy is obviously your prime deep threat and is a really dangerous player in screens just because of how fast he is and how he can destroy pursuit angles. Over time, he's going to become more of an intermediate threat, too, because of his ability to break off the deep threat routes.

And then you have Burden, who is a YAC monster himself, but who also has great hands, can catch outside his frame, has the speed to get deep, can high-point the ball against single coverage, and really be what KC envisioned with Sammy Watkins.

I love all the Burden love... I do. But it's too painful...because we aren't going draft him.

This is the first year in a while that I'd okay with Verch trading down out of the 1st round. Probably should have done the same in 2023 but there was no way we were trading out of the 1st round with the draft being held in KC.

Is this real?

https://i.ibb.co/rGTyDBcy/burden.png

Add Burden to the current WRs and tackle matters that much less. Those guys are getting open and can't all be covered.

What makes you so sure? The Chiefs seem to have realized they need to start surrounding Mahomes with more weapons. Case in point; they let Justin Watson walk and kept Hollywood and JuJu. Do you have any idea how much Andy Reid loves Justin Watson? :D

Seriously, If Burden is there, you have a shot to give Mahomes a trio of Worthy, Rice and Burden for at least the next 2 full seasons, and then at least Worthy/Burden for 3 more after that if Rice ends up being too expensive. It's time for this team to give him consistant talent he can create real chemistry with at the position, and I think they're going to do that.

I'm kind of buying into the idea that Mahomes was just planting the seed when he said he wants to throw deep again last week

Why draft a guy when you already have the solution in your building?

Skyy is still your guy right?

https://abc17news.b-cdn.net/abc17new...332-scaled.jpg

That picture is as real as Pittsie's girlfriend in Belize

For the first half of his career, we gave him everything we could.

For the last half of it, we've asked him to make due.

I think the team owes him something closer to the former than the latter over this transition era. His security blanket (Kelce) is gone.

Now the counter to that is an easy one -- do we NEED to use a 1st rounder to help? We didn't with Rice. Could that aid come in the form of Royals or Noel or Trey Harris in the 2nd? Williams or Horton later still?

It's a fair question.

I don't get why anyone would want to have a mediocre, boring offense with the greatest QB talent in NFL history in his prime on this team.

Whoever we pick, somehow the TV coverage will miss it. "While we were away, the Chiefs made a pick. Now, the Eagles are on the clock. Let's go down to watch the Eagles' desk decide who to pick."

You could accomplish the same thing with an upgrade at RB.

We're going to have plenty fun this year with the WRs we have.
Just because the draft is thin at WR doesn't mean we need to squeeze another high draft pick in there when there are numerous other directions to go in

I'd be the most excited for Burden but I still think Conerly is the smartest pick.

Just give me a good offense. If that's a wr, RB, making the line better whatever but I need to watch something fun

Yea, I'd love for the Chiefs to go WR in the 1st again, but I just have to see it to believe it.

I think we're looking at OT, DL, or Henderson.

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I normally want offense but I prefer Harmon here if both were on the board.

This is never true. Ask Joe Burrow.

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Shrager can't be discounted. He has a lot of people talking to him.

Burrow ain't Mahomes

He doesn't fit the Spags profile, but I would be ecstatic if they took him.

Only 243 lbs I imagine he would be riding pine watching Danna.

Yeah that dude is a beast for sure.

I've seen nearly enough of FAU personally but I guess he could surprise us

I thought Felix looked pretty good in limited action.


Spags is amazing but he does have weird quirks like many coaches where he over values veterans.

It feels like if the Chiefs trade up more than just a few spots, it’s gonna be for a Tackle unless another McDuffie happens and someone falls inexplicably

He probably seemed a lot heavier to Tyler Booker on this play....

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I really could MAAAAAAYBE see a trade up to 24 for a WR ahead of the Packers and Ravens.

The board would have to start looking rough. I don't think Veach is married to taking a WR. But if Nolen and Harmon are off the board, I could see him maybe getting antsy.

I don't think he's going to move up for Conerly.

I refuse to even consider the possibility of the Chiefs taking Simmons.

So i think if it's a trade up, it's for DT or WR.

POV: The Chiefs trade up to draft Josh Simmons

CP’s reaction:

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Treveyon! Lets start hanging 50 on these MoFos again!

I'd rather take Jaxson Dart.

At least we could play Jaxson Dart in the pre-season and in week 18 next season then maybe get him traded for a 2nd next offseason.

Simmons won't be worth a 3rd day pick by next spring...

I have edited their stupid song, Die Eagles Die.