If that were the case he would already be ruled out for the year.

Jesus Christ

If I don't get at least 2-3 nuts a day I'm anxious.

Hell yes

Your own? Or someone else’s?

You need to Holla at Dr Drew

I will defend that movie to the death.

Because if nothing else, damn Malin Akerman looks good naked.

For people who had never read the comic book it was ****ing spellbinding.

Then I went and read the comic book and loved it even more. ROFL

You couldn't ask to be set up any better than that :D

But to your credit, you spiked that thing home like a champ

People tend to panic and misfire when they get a perfect opportunity like that, but you nailed it.

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This is fantastic news.

By now, they would have confirmed an ACL.

Praying for a return in December and that we dodged a huge bullet.

Put him on IR, cut Skyy Moore and promote Ross and Remigio to the active roster and let’s roll. Unless Hopkins is for sale and they would deal with us. He’s basically Rice.

I think even without Hopkins, this WR group can get the job done.

Increased roles for Juju and Worthy…Pat trusts both of them. Kelce continues to look like a fighter with a couple cans of juice left. Kareem Hint looks like he took a Time Machine to 2017. Watson will likely push for more time to prove himself…he’s playing for a new deal, too. Wiley and Grey will help the underneath stuff and blocking for Hunt.

Gonna be interesting to see how they respond against NO.

I say go get Johnson regardless. We're trying to make history here, dammit.

Can't bank on Rice and/or Brown to return, or be great when they do return.

But if they do both return for the playoffs and are effective? Lol @ any team stopping an offense with Rice/Brown/Johnson/Kelce/Worthy/Pacheco/Hunt.

I'm hoping for a Willis Reed type return after the BYE.

This is exactly my thoughts too. We were rumoured to be eyeing a WR trade before the Rice injury, so now for me it is a 100% must. No need to think about how you fit them all in when people return, it's not us that should worry about that. It's the opposition who should worry about that. This isn't any regular season, this is the chance to do something that might never be done again.

For Rice's injury, one half of me is thinking the late news and more tests is bad because it means there is so much damage there.. the other half of me is hoping it's because the scans are coming back clear but there is swelling/discomfort. It looked bad on film, but so did Love's injury. Even Joey Brrr got stood on Sunday and looked like his ankle could have snapped

My wife says a false negative from clinical is more likely than a positive so I’m back to bracing for the worst , that’s why you never talk to your wives .

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Players often know when they've seriously injured something. Rice seemed to know right away - it wasn't just a reaction to pain.

This is not really true. Remember Von Miller's injury a few years ago? Took awhile to determine. Id hold off on assigning any meaning to anything right now. Just wait for the results.

BUT Im for ANYTHING that rids us of Skyy Moore.

Probably getting more opinions from specialist. They don’t want Rick Burkholder dropping the ball again like he did on Justin Houston.

I assume there is a tremendous amount of swelling and that is what is causing the lack of information. Poor sonofabitch. Hope when it goes down it is sprain or something less severe.

Nothing but truth ^here^.

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Could be a bone bruise....those are painful. My knee had a full force collision with the edge of an armor plate on a 62 ton tank at one point. To say I was immediately nauseous would be an understatement. I could barely walk right for almost a month and it took almost 6 months to not have any pain on pressure. Granted it wasn't a hyperextension but if it is a bone bruise like I had it is incredibly painful.

Doctor Chao just said on twitter that swelling doesn't hamper MRI imagining. So I would assume that even with swelling they should be able to see if it's an ACL or not.

Mri would have shown the bone bruise .

Yeah, you're right. I just watched a video from a doctor who is assuming that it might be partial tear - and they have to do a hands on examine to determine the extent, which they can't do till the swelling goes down.

Who knows?

What does Dr. Nick have to say about it?

Grade 1 ACL tear is a two to four week recovery according to Google.

Swelling can make MRI results less accurate.

I'm not a doctor, but the part about the MRI not being hampered by swelling is pretty much what I had heard through the years. Drama city...

That sounds fair, but if they're seeing a tear and just can't tell how much because of the swelling, or they don't see any tear, but there could be one, it seems like they'd say that. Again, drama city...

Neither is anyone else here, but that doesn't stop us from pretending

It really sucks that we didn’t get to see Rashee, Hollywood and Xavier all play together.

I hope we bring Hollywood back on a similar deal

ITS NOT TOO LATE!

One month into the season and every offensive playmaker that we thought would be a difference maker, aside from Worthy, are already gone.

The Rashee injury has me down. Pretty bummed about that one.

Agree... If we somehow win the SB it'll be more than amazing given what injuries this team will have had to overcome.

The Rice one is a freak deal....but the others could have somewhat been predicted in terms of the guys getting injured seem to be injury prone.

Hollywood's injury is the epitome of a "freak deal", especially considering it was only supposed to be a couple weeks, and his injury history is constantly being overblown.

Maybe.

But he was also on the market for a while after being on 2 different teams and signed a 1 year prove it type deal.

It's possible we overhyped him a bit.

No, not maybe, it was a freak injury when it happened to Tyreek too. Stop being reeruned for once.

What does hyping him up have to do with injury? He clearly showed the talent while he was healthy in TC.

Maybe his injury history is overblow, but he's been dinged and injured alot, and is now missing a season.

Just a ton of bad injury luck this year, it was bound to happen at some point.

Oh yes, its a KILLER. Will be VERY tough to overcome that one. I was absolutely elated that Hunt is back, but just as elated as I was, I'm even more crushed that Rice is gone. Just devastating.

Why are you dancing around the fact that his injury was the epitome of a freak accident?

I mean the way he landed on his shoulder was clearly just bad ****ing luck, as was it turning from a couple week injury to a season long one. I don't understand how you can be so reeruned as to not see that this was the epitome of a "freak deal".

Trust me, we all already know you're really close to throwing in the towel, pussy.

Ok, yeah, this one is a freak injury.

He's been prone to freak injuries and missing time. It happened again. Carry on.

He's played in at least 14 games every season except for one before this freak accident.

Again, 100% overblown.

RBs get hurt. RBs that run like Pacheco get hurt a lot. If anything, it's surprising he made it as long as he did without a serious injury.

As for Hollywood - guy got hurt who seems to always get hurt. Health is a skill, Hollywood's never had it. Ultimately any single injury can be a fluke but he has a history of them.

2018 -- Significant injury in college (foot)
2019 -- Ankle injury -- missed 2 games
2020 -- off-season surgery, was 'limited' in a couple of games; fairly healthy
2021 -- Missed a game due to a soft tissue injury; limited in others.
2022 -- Soft tissue injury early; IR for foot fracture late
2023 -- Dealt with a heel injury all year; limited most of the season and missed 3 games (pulled from two others).

He's just not an iron horse fellas. Is what it is.

But yeah, there was nothing to suggest at some point our All-World QB would throw a stupid interception then recklessly hurl his body into our WR1 who's trying to strip the football after the pick.

THAT one is fluky as hell. No two ways about that.

So 4/6 seasons he's played atleast 14 games in the league.

You wouldn't say he's had issues with injuries in that time?

Minor issues.

This is by far the worst injury he's had, and it'll be the only season he hasn't played at least 10 games. It shouldn't have kept him out for longer than 2-3 games, but again, not healing correctly is the epitome of "freak deal" moron.

He's missed snaps/games due to injury every season of his NFL career. And even when he's played, he's often been on limited snap counts because of this history of nagging injuries.

It's not just a question of looking at his GPs stats. You can look at his targets. A 1st round pick who was TRADED for a 1st round pick and who's been counted on as a primary receiving option for every team he's been on has averaged about 105 targets/season over his 5 seasons in the league. And in the one season where he was reasonably healthy, he had 150.

the 150 is where teams WANT him to be. The 100 is what they're getting on average. So he's out there giving about 2/3 of what teams are looking to get out of him in large part due to a lengthy injury history.

That matters. We risked it, it was a worthwhile risk, but it bit us. Shit happens.

You seem hung up on arguing if this is a freak deal or not.

It is.

What's it matter, in the end, he's hurt again.

But this idea that we should've known Hollywood wouldn't be available is blowing that injury history way out of proportion. This unlucky shit is by far the worst he'd had, and it was clearly not the type of injury that has anything to do with being injury prone.

Because you act like we should've known we wouldn't have Hollywood all year when even his injury history would suggest he'd be available for the majority of it, even if he missed some time.

Kid had screws put into his foot to deal with a foot fracture in 2020 then had a similar foot fracture in 2022.

He's had a history of fractures. And sometimes if something fractures, it doesn't heal as you'd like. That's the nature of the beast. It's a but/for causation thing.

Is it a fluke that the bone didn't heal right? Maybe - but without the fracture it's not an issue. Is it a fluke that Mahomes drove himself into Rice's knee? Yeah, but without the interception, that's not an issue.

Guys that get hurt...get hurt. And recoveries are vague and unpredictable. I don't think you can hand-waive it when a guy who's had multiple fractures BEFORE you signed him, has another AFTER you signed him and then things don't go according to script with recovery. Because things OFTEN don't go according to script with recovery.

Odds heavily say he was gonna miss some time. Hindsight is hindsight at this point.

I think the reasonable expectation was that he'd play most games, not all.

No one thought we'd lose him for the season the very first time he had any contact in a game.

It's not just the healing part that is a freak accident, the injury itself was a freak accident. It had absolutely nothing to do with him being injury prone, and it's silly to pretend otherwise.

If Hollywood had a hamstring or something that kept him out a few weeks, it would be fair to say "I told you so". This is not a scenario where it's fair to play that game. It was 100% a freak bad luck situation, regardless of your opinion on his injury history or mine.

I can't beleive how hard it is for people to simply say this.

But again, recovery is unpredictable. And the only way to take that unpredictable nature out of the equation is to not have significant injuries that require recovery.

Brown has plenty of those. So no, it's not 'expected' that he'd be unavailable to this point, but it shouldn't necessarily be a shocker either.

Lemme try it from a different angle (warning -- really overly simplistic medical example to follow). Smoking doesn't EXACTLY cause cancer. What it does is kill cells more rapidly. And in killing cells, the body then responds by regenerating them. The more often it has to regenerate cells, the more likely it is that ONE of those regenerations goes awry and thus a cancerous cell is born that becomes a tumor, etc...

By smoking, you haven't increased the odds of any of one of those cells becoming a mutated cell that turns cancerous. You simply spin the wheel a lot more often because you're killing cells that must then be regenerated.

Hollywoods injury didn't increase the odds that any single recovery goes sideways. But by having multiple recoveries, it increased the chances that he would eventually roll snakeyes. And in this case, that's what happened.

I'm just not buying that his past injuries, none of which were related to this one, had anything to do with how this one healed. You're reaching really hard to try and say this wasn't bad luck when it obviously was.

{shrug}

Kid who's twice had fractures in a relatively short NFL career had another fracture. Or if you prefer to refer to is strictly as a sprain (though I think we know it was probably both), he's had multiple ankle/foot/knee sprains as well.

It's not THAT fluky in relation to the rest of his injury history. It's just different.

If the odds of something happening are 1 in 6 and you roll a dice and hit the one on the first try....I guess you could call that bad luck. But hell man, there was still a non-zero chance you hit it.

And since each roll is technically independent of the next, the odds of you putting up the one on the first roll aren't any different than you doing it on the 5th.

It's just a probability thing. The odds of an injury of SOME sort were pretty high. He's always had them.

And the odds of an injury not healing right aren't nearly AS high, but they're non-zero. And with the number of injuries he's had, at some point there was a real possibility that he'd roll that one. Is it bad luck? I mean I guess - but it's still not something that should blindside you either.

Sorry, but this is just silly DJ. His past injuries had absolutely 100% nothing to do with how this one healed, and it's not just how it healed, the injury itself was bad luck too.

Injury prone type of injuries are inevitable. If that guy doesn't fall on Hollywood that way at that moment he never hurts his shoulder this season. It was all pure bad luck, and pointing to his injury history as if we should've saw it coming is just nonsense.

I'm going to stop coming into this thread. Nobody knows dick, but you'd think they'd scheduled a funeral by now and that our season was over.

So no new news?

As a Dr myself, I'm contemplating my response to the injury information we have.

What do his teeth have to do with this?

I fail to see how a guy with a history of sprains/fractures having a sprain/fracture is wholly unrelated to his injury history.

And I've already spoken to the recovery issue. The only way to avoid recovery issues is to not constantly be getting hurt in ways that require recovery.

You can act blindsided by it if you'd like - but you shouldn't be.

If someone's wife has a history of cheating on him with delivery drivers, then she cheats on him with a tennis pro AND gets pregnant...well, it wasn't a delivery driver and getting knocked up sure was an unwelcomed bonus, but shit happens when you marry a whore.

:shrug:

Silly analogy, and you know it. We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess.

Well you've blown right past the ones that make sense.

Figured I'd take a different approach.

You're a dentist not an ortho.

We are so ****ing back

The whole speculation is a bit embarrassing at this point. 2nd opinions! Good sign! Bad sign! They'd know! Even Shefters comments are as basic and vague as possible to cover any scenario. Anything that comes out and he'll appear "right". Literally everything that can be said would still range from a chance at a few weeks till a full season

WE'RE BACK

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I&#39;ll be damned. Rice likely avoided an ACL tear. This is why we confirm with imaging<br><br>Still, if has a bone bruise and/or PCL sprain, this could be a 4+ week injury <a href="https://t.co/6VDIS7NFsu">https://t.co/6VDIS7NFsu</a></p>&mdash; Edwin Porras, DPT (@FBInjuryDoc) <a href="https://twitter.com/FBInjuryDoc/status/1841135720334827622?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Boring!

HE GOOD!!!!

Go get Davante anyway!

He ain't no short grain Rice

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For those asking: <br><br>If MRI doesn&#39;t confirm ACL the next day, the likelihood of it being completely ruptured is low. This is a general sports-med rule of thumb.</p>&mdash; Edwin Porras, DPT (@FBInjuryDoc) <a href="https://twitter.com/FBInjuryDoc/status/1841137869106155701?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So we have yet another grifter irresponsibly spectating and assuming things on a medical case where he has no actual first hand knowledge. Why do we do this?

Holy shit man!!!