Dude....

Weapon X.

This is gonna sound silly - maybe it is.

But he doesn't look to play 'record setting' fast to me.

Don't get me wrong, he's !@#$ing fast. He plays like a fast player. But he plays like guys who are in the 4.3ish range to my eyes.

Watch Hill and he looks like he's at 1.5x speed and everyone else is at 1. Worthy looks like he's at 1, but just faster than those guys. I didn't expect that. I figured when you see 4.2 speed that this guy is DUSTING dudes and not just pulling a half a stride on them on a vert route.

So I do kinda wonder if the rumors that he cut a bunch of weight to speed up his 40 time have some legs to them. He plays a little more like a 4.3/165-170 lb player to my eyes.

Now what I do really like about him is his footwork. He does some of the footfires and such but they're all with purpose. And he does a real REAL nice job of using his upper body to sell routes and gain/lose momentum. I mean there's some real textbook arm action stuff he does on occasion to help him sluff off speed and make a sharp cut. And then he'll do the same sort of thing but use it as a deke.

He's pretty polished as a route runner. And it's not in those silly flashy ways that got people hot and bothered about Moore - it's in the real ways that actually help dudes get open. The subtle hip fakes to get a DB to turn just a little before you go the other way on him and find a little space and time.

I do kinda feel like the Flowers comps might be pretty legit. He may not have the pure physicality of Flowers (relative to their size, of course), but he doesn't shy away from contact.

I like him. He's a fun player. I'm not sure if he'll be the 'best' player to be taken from this block of guys but I think he'll be productive. I hope we have some plans to really use some 11 personnel and get nasty out there rather than just use him as a rotational piece designed to supplant Brown next season (i.e. the FAU model). I feel like he's polished enough and has that stand-out speed that we almost certainly can/will do so.

The Jets cornerback Brandin Echols, who was speeding and driving recklessly and partially paralyzed another driver in a wreck was suspended 1 game. However, the incident took place in April of 2022 and he wasn't suspended until the start of the 2023 season. Depending on the legal process, Rice may not be suspended, likely 2-4 games, until the start of the 2025 season.

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I just want to again point out that the University of Texas ain't exactly Pittsburgh State, fellas.

Their facilities are friggen state of the art. They're the best of the best. Almost certainly better than ours.

You draft a guy from Texas and you're probably not doing it thinking "Man, if he had a nutritionist we'd be ready to rock!"

Because at UT he almost certainly did. A couple of them in fact. Does that mean he had the maturity to take full advantage of them? Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say.

But I don't think we should still be drafting guys from power programs thinking we'll fundamentally alter their bodies. We probably won't. These guys have been working the hell out of themselves for at least 3 years by the time we get to them. They're probably pretty close to what they're gonna be.

8th grader.....

"Vikes had a good draft.

But who got X Worthy?"
....I raise my hand and say-yup, the chiefs got another and better WR. And smile.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ.

Rashee
Hollywood
Worthy
Kelce
Pop

And just for good measure could you IMAGINE if by some act of God Kadarius un****s himself?

The amount of talent on this offense is outrageous.

Yeah, but he is still 20 years old. (Think he turns 21 in the next week) Bodies change with age as well. Where it might be impossible to add much weight as a teen/20 year old he could add some pounds over the next couple of years. I wouldn't draft him counting on it, but I'd bet it's more likely than not to happen.

I agree, the only caveat to that would be his age/physical maturity as you said, with him just turning 21 this upcoming weekend that would allow some additional girth.

Don't forget Skyy Moore.




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this pick is even more exciting after sleeping on it

his upside is so high and hes coming into a perfect situation where he’s insulated by a lot of talent around him. rice/worthy is a DISGUSTING 1-2 punch moving forward, and having all of brown and them for next year means we’re gonna be back to maybe even 2018 offense levels

like i’d place a pretty hefty bet on Mahomes going for 45+ TDs next year.

He’s just 20 years old… so he’ll naturally add more muscle/weight.

I'd still add another RB. Not a "bruising back" like some want, they need a guy that can separate and run away from people.

Is the RB from Tennessee good enough to take in the 2nd?

Mahomes wants another league MVP on the way to the 3 peat.

This argument is all over the place. You contradict yourself in your own post.

On one hand you say Hill, Chase and Jefferson got shutdown by a physical corner. On the other hand, you say you want a WR that can't be shut down by a physical corner, and those are "true #1's".

So....if Hill, Chase and Jefferson got shut down by a physical corner, then by your logic, they aren't true #1's.

And if THOSE guys aren't true 1's, then what you're asking for doesn't exist.

Your argument makes no damn sense.

I understand the want for a big bodied WR that can go up and win a contested ball, but again, the Chiefs already drafted that guy. Rashe Rice. He's already on the roster.

After watching some of his highlights it's hard not to love the pick. Kid makes some tough catches and also breaks tackle more than I figured he would.

Typically when you're 'naturally adding muscle/weight' it's coming as your body starts to fill out and often at the expense of speed.

Which gets back to my previous point - I honestly think that's more who he is. I think he's going to be a little heavier and a little slower than his combine performance.

Which has him measuring/timing out very similarly to Flowers. Or maybe Jaylen Waddle. More in the low to mid 4.3 range at more like 170 lbs.

The Eisen interview sold me.
Besides fast, quick and tough, he knows what every offensive player is doing on a play. I think being cerebral and having a great memory sold the Chiefs on him. Like Rice, he may be a quick study to get on the field.

the fact that we added so much offense while only losing Sneed and Gay on defense is masterful. pretty confident that veach will find a good CB today so I’m sort of blindly hoping losing sneed wont be that big of a blow. and losing gay isnt really a big deal when honestly tranquill/chenal were arguably better than him by the playoffs

So why are you crying then? You begged and begged for Veach to fix WR and he did with Hollywood and Wirthy...and you still cried about it

That's a pretty good point.

If the 3 best dudes in the NFL (almost without argument) can get shut down by a physical CB like Sneed, then anybody can.

And what it also says is that you can count the number of corners out there that can simply body a WR out of a game on 1 hand. You might be able to do it on 1 finger.

And now you see why we didn't spend a 1st on a CB.

We don't need to.

We have a top 5 defense and might just have our top 5 offense back...

Not to mention Pop. Oh. and Mahomes can always scramble too. If we can add a scat back with sub 4.4 speed we'll be cooking with gas then boys.

GOOD LUCK

Your opinion SUCKS, ChafedTaint. Now eat **** pie, queer!

I’m not. Veach improved the WR room and the offense.

I also didn’t “cry” when we took Mecole over DK, Mclaurin, and Diontae Johnson. Was more annoyed .

Eventually we need to draft a number 1 WR. I just preferred doing it while Kelce still playing and not waiting till he retires.

I cannot believe the NFL let Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes get Xavier Worthy....LOL unbelievable.

They don't know how bad they just ****ed up.

Defensive coordinators will be pissing themselves on a weekly basis.

Good luck.

Im not typically the type to be a dick and bring up past posts because mine are pretty self incriminating, but did any of this happen? Lol.

Also, has your opinion changed at all now that its actually happened?

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He might be facing other teams number 3 CB or safeties if we can get him out there with rice/brown/Kelce , good luck

He's gonna play at 175, and if he can avoid hits the way Devonta Smith does, and be about 80% as reliable with his hands, throw his speed on top of that, we're hitting the jackpot.

Veach has proven, conclusively, that we do not need to.

We don't need a pro bowl WR or HB. We don't even need impressive starters.

We have a top 5 defense and the greatest QB to ever play. That recipe wins SB's pretty reliably...

C’mon man, how’s that working out for both sides? We didn’t need Reek. Reek needed us. Now he gets to vacation early every offseason, and watch his former team play in AFCCG & SBs.

Never expected us to. DeJean was the only one I thought might get some attention and I don't really see him as a pure CB anyway.

He's just a hybrid DB and it would be THAT ability that intrigued the Chiefs - not some idea that he's gonna go outside and replace Sneed by bodying dudes into the core of the earth.

I was talking to my friend that was a packer fan on speaker with the tv on and sound off.

We both thought our respective teams got something useful but not a home run.

A corner would have annoyed me more than Worthy.

;)

From my limited knowledge, it seems to me that since he worked out with Mahomes in Texas for 2 weeks, Mahomes got a read on the guy. No way Mahomes spent 2 weeks throwing balls to the guy that he didn't sign off on drafting Worthy. One thing I can see is benefiting us this year is the deep ball. Worthy is famous for tracking deep balls. Mahomes see the help coming over from one direction, he throws the ball away from that threat. Worthy can adjust and go get that ball. We havent had anyone that can do that since Hill.

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I hear ya. Im alot higher on worthy than you, but i really liked Legette. Ultimately i dont think legette ends up as productive as worthy now though because he has been banished to the panthers.

I definitely wasnt as high on AD mitchell as you though.

Im hyped about this offense overhaul this offseason!


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People don't understand yet just how good the depth is at CB. I mean, really damned good. We need to come away with a LT or pass rusher in rounds 2 and 3. Not both, but at least one of them. Nail one of those two holes.

Of course, nailing both holes is always the goal but...

I mean, if the Chiefs take a corner that's the most sure-fire, no-need-to-second-guess pick in the entire NFL draft. You just stand and applaud.

Legette gives me some Leviska Shenault vibes. Fun to get him in space but watching him try to run routes… yuck.

It's still possible we could draft everyone's favorite white kid allowing us to push Sky and Toney both out the door...

We kinda suck on 3rd and short. We definitely need a bruising back.

The guy who will benefit the most from this is Rashee Rice. The guy is going to destroy the middle of the field from 10-20 yards over and over and over again bc DB’s are forced to defend the deep pass

Can’t believe the Bills gave us Mahomes and Worthy.

I’m starting to like the Bills, they really helped us be successful lol

The 'back isn't the reason we suck on 3rd and short. And won't be the reason we improve.

We struggled with the blocking on short yardage running plays. And that's unlikely to change. We just don't have maulers in Creed or Thuney on the interior. And frankly the OTs aren't great at preventing guys from knifing inside on them either.

Short yardage running is an OL issue on this team.

The best rb is the one that avoids contact and makes guys miss.

Not the one who "seeks out contact and runs over people"

That's probably accurate. He probably plays more at a high 4.2's, low 4.3's.

The Tyreek comparisons are just unfair though. There's NO ONE like Tyreek. I think what you're seeing, regarding the difference between Tyreek and someone like Worthy, is much more about Tyreek.

IMO, what you may be seeing is Tyreek's ability to not lose speed when the pads come on and the game wears late. Tyreek is 4.2 all the ****ing time, every snap.

With guys like Worthy or Waddle etc....i think it's fair to assume that as the pads go on and the physicality of the game wears them down from getting roughed up while running go routes all game, that the speed diminishes.

That's not an indictment on them, but a reminder of the super genetic freak that is Tyreek Hill.

We should be viewing Worthy like a DeSean Jackson or Jaylen Waddle. He's just not built like Tyreek. No one is, really.

Also, i do think there are some plays in there that really exhibit his "stupid" speed. That play against Wyoming where he took a 1 yard checkdown and housed it.....ooooof. He just broke those poor kids angles. Just blew some good angles wide open. I thought that was a great exhibit of his speed in action.

Good lord. Looks like Wasp and Corn Dog are on the menu for all games in any situation, now.

Not sure worthy fixes the redzone issues.

Yes he does… one of the best ways to fix red zone problems is to avoid having to run red zone offense entirely be scoring on explosive plays.

Worthy will help bring back the explosive plays to the Chiefs offense.

His splits alone makes him a red zone threat.

The days of fade passes to Gonzalez in the end zone are way behind us.

You must be under the impression that "fixing red zone issues" means having a 6-4" WR that you throw fades to like it's automatic or something.

That just aint a real thing, my guy.

Oddly enough, it was a touchdown that really made me cock my head a bit. The play against Houston.

What could go better for him on that play? Completely free release, DB even seems to expect an inside release and gives Worthy the outside free of charge. Worthy's going against a fairly average college DB and has a full head of steam. He pulls out by a half a stride on him?

Took a perfect ball to get that score on a play where I really would've expected a burner to just leave the guy in his wake. But that isn't what I saw. He had a forgettable college CB right there as the ball was coming in and if it's not a dime, it's probably knocked away.

I dunno - maybe you're right and I'm being unreasonable about what a deep threat truly is. But that wasn't the kind of play that made me think "yeah, this guy should be setting records at the combine..."

He just looked like an ordinary deep threat there.

Dude gets separation. At the very least that helps compared to the dudes we've been rolling with.

Desean Jackson is a legendary vertical threat. I don’t get how every small fast guy gets the comp.

I loved Adonai but I didn’t say he was Terrell Owens.

I love Isaac Guerendo of Louisville with our late 4th.

He's going to look like a completely different player now that his QB has an arm. You'll be amazed...

That's hilarious, cuz no lie, when i read your post, i was thinking that you were thinking of that very specific play vs Houston. When you said "beaten by half a stride" that Houston play came right to mind. Because i feel you on that one.

Matter of fact, when i was looking for the play vs Wyoming i came across that play against Houston again and even thought to myself, "Yeah, I bet this is what DJ was referring to when he said, 'half a stride'.

Too funny.

I hear you though, i assumed that was the play you were thinking of because i had similar thoughts. I took it a different way though...all of a sudden i wanted to know how fast that Houston DB is hahahaha.

You know what I just realized while reading this thread? How refreshing it is to read "He wasn't who I would have picked, but I trust Veach." Just makes my day. Remember the days before Veach/Reid?

Because we now have two guys who can score from outside the red zone. We have two burners who can house it on any given play...

Who, Worthy or Hollywood?

I was on the "he's too small" train, but Veach knows what he's doing. The kid looks like a difference maker.

Oh, and the Chiefs now have the fastest WR duo in the NFL.

I dunno, still a lot of pussies in here. Probably still haunted by Moore.

Seems like we gave up a lot to move 4 spots.

Now that you mention it - both...

38 points is essentially a 6th in value, thats too much to secure the guy you wanted? :spock:

I'm not worried he'll be a bad player or not live up to the hype - I'm worried his small frame could be a problem. I think the odds are good he'll have a short career and he's more likely to get injured.

But until then he's going to rip people's hearts out...

Swapped a 3rd for a 4th and 7th pick swaps is a lot?

WR's are a crapshoot period.

The thing that I noticed when watching the videos what that he isn't just fast, he actually follows the deep ball and adjusts. He positions himself to have an advantage high pointing the ball. In his early college years, they used him much more for shorter routes and his YAC was killer. He actually CATCHES the ball! He used to point at DBs when he would get a good catch on them... it looks like he grew out of that.

I am pretty excited about seeing what he can do.

"They about to regret that trade...."

They always do good sir, they always do...

Oh you can best believe I went straight to the Houston Cougars roster and looked for #16 at CB...

Essentially....spin. we should have just given them a 6th then. We gave them a 3rd an actual top 100 for a late 4th. They got their guy and good for them. That late in the round I wish we would have just let it play out.

We didn't have a 6th round pick to give them.

Oh no...what will we ever do.

Chiefs got the guy they wanted, so who gives a shit.

I think it was even pre-Veach that I got there with Reid and his staff.

Because philosophically I'm almost 100% in lock-step with them. They see the game exactly as I do. The Reid shell concept, the idea of stressing different parts of the field, the idea of depth on defense. I just think they see the game through the exact same lens as me.

Whereas if we had someone like Harbaugh (or when we had Pioli and his lackies) I would be pulling my hair out because regardless of whether or not he executes his plan to perfection, his plan is 180 degrees apart from mine so I'd be constantly annoyed by him.

Once I was positive that Reid is a guy who just sees the game as I see it, I was more than happy to defer to the time, experience and expertise these guys can throw at these questions. And if that leads them to a different conclusion than me, at least I know they're doing the same MATH I am.

Makes it pretty easy to say that I think they may have gotten that wrong but I'll give them some rope. Unless they take Skyy Moore - where I think they just got caught with their pants down and were maybe being a little too cute with trying to game the draft.

We lost Sneed and maybe his replacement dials up some big gains or a TD but this offense is going to score a lot more points this year so that should be offset. 3peat on track.

Exactly. Remember how good a healthy Hardman was in the red zone a coupe years ago? Reid knows how to use that speed in the red zone, and Worthy's even better.

When you plant your foot in the ground and the DB goes flying off in the other direction....yeah that's good route running right there. That ability to plant that foot and explode off it....reminds me of KT.

If the Chiefs could've given them a 6th they would've, that was the cost of doing business. You're splitting hairs over some pretty low comp thats almost a wash to get the guy they wanted. They didn't feel they could stay at 32 and get the guy they wanted and more than likely wouldn't of got Worthy.