You’ve got a casino and shopping and entertainment and everything the industrial park doesn’t. With enough space to build the prettiest parking lot in the world for tailgating

Both may be out thanks to morons.

Maybe Clark should go back to the drawing board and trash his rich elite plan and work on some amenities that the middle class would like to see. You know, the ones filling the stadium for years

**** that, bro. We need to panic right now!

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets...sda0da0sd0.jpg

Man Nick Wright really needs to cut that hair, he looks like Station from Bill and Teds Bogus Journey.

The really weird thing with the Chiefs lately is they seem to play worse at Arrowhead than other stadiums.

You have made a lot of clown ass takes in this thread. It's made me groan a lot.

I don't exactly understand the mindset that the teams should be here for free and the owners should foot the bill for everything.

Having pro sports is a privilege (one that many cities would gladly pay for) and not a right.

Pro sports is an amenity for any city. Why should it be free?

Chiefs might end up in Kansas which greatly pains some Missouri folks. Who knows what happens with the royals. They might be losing 100 games a year in San Antonio in the not too distant future

STL's Dome Center

Tell the Dolphins that.. It will make them feel better..

Outside of the location, what's so bad about the K anyway? I think it's a fine stadium.

God, did anyone go to a game in the 90s there? It looked like a soviet rendition of a baseball stadium.

Yeah an peoples property taxes won't have gone up 200% like this years maybe they have a chance

The owners took Kansas Citians for granted they thought they could roll out a bad plan that was lacking in pretty much every single way. They wanted billions of dollars of our money and did not even begin to do what was needed to justify it.

Kansas City is sports crazy. This should be a message to do better. Lots of no votes from people who would have voted yes if the teams had done the right thing for the community that allows it to make so much money.

Hey come what may.

Exactly.

This was a shite proposal. Just awful. And the fact that a SB championship team at the height of its popularity in this town got steamrolled shows what a shit measure this was.

If this was the best they can/will do, then Hunt threw the match. He tossed something out there he knew would fail so he could go to Legends with a PR excuse.

This lost because it should. If the Hunts want to offer a serious proposal it could actually go somewhere.

When the ones fighting for yes are Red Dawg &KCChiefsFan88 you knew this thing was cooked

Royals have playoff droughts, can't deny that, but their World Series winning droughts are nothing compared to half the MLB. Their division alone is Cleveland 75 years, Detroit 39 years, and Minnesota 32 years. The White Sox went 87 years without winning a championship. It's just crazy seeing some of winning World Series droughts in MLB history.

I think Carl Peterson was right the entire time of just being .500 is what people want.

It Arrowhead were Terri Schiavo the Chiefs plans were some Dr Scholls shoe inserts level of effort to save it

Only two things could be true: Chiefs want all the Jackson County money if the Royals move, and may even ask for more as the leverage would be strong.

or

They prefer to move to Kansas and have a bright shiny new facility.

If they were serious about wanting to win this vote, it would have been a bigger push by the Chiefs side.

He might do that but he doesn't have to. He's got one of the most valuable and well known sports franchises in the world in a sports league that prints money. This franchise will never be as big as it now. Mahomes, Kelce, even Taylor Swift has brought a level of worldwide fame and value to this organization and Kansas City that we'll never see again. He can do whatever he wants with this team basically. We aren't going to stop him, Frank White isn't going to stop him. Nobody has leverage on the Chiefs. I don't know why he wouldn't take this as a chance to do whatever he wants. Loyalty to his dad might be the only reason he doesn't.

Said at the time that the royals had to be pissed at the chiefs reno plan.

I really hope they don't go to Kansas.

You seem to be making assumptions that don't even make a little sense when you consider the measures passed 20 years ago when both teams were shit... and that plan didn't pass the first time either.

Consider it's not about fans hating the Chiefs despite the dynasty or about wanting something for free.

It is almost like people who live in this community did not want to be told what was best for us by dipshits from Florida.

I’m sorry, it all just makes me kind of sad. Yeah, the Royals have been shitty, but they’re OUR shitty Royals. These are teams that were here long before I was born. Teams that I’ve watched since I was a three year old sitting on my dad’s lap.

I don’t care if they suck, I love going to Royals games and enjoying the entire atmosphere. It just kind of sucks, in my opinion. And, honestly, it’s kind of stupid for people to be giddy about the possibility of them not improving things, or worse, moving elsewhere.

I do not think there is a market that is that great that would not impede on another market in a way that NFL owners would not be down for.

The John mozeliak model

Or - you could actually ask that they put it to decent use before giving it to them rather than just hitting your knees and slurping down the first thing they put in front of you.

There was no reason to actually LIKE that proposal. It was little more than an attempted hostage taking.

Less than 20% of Jackson Co voted. Should put it on the Nov ballot and it will probably pass. But they need to improve the plan especially the Chiefs.

Yeah just no.

KC needs these teams a lot more than these teams need KC.

That sounded nice though reading it, I will say.

Maybe Clark should go back to the drawing board and trash his rich elite plan and work on some amenities that the middle class would like to see. You know, the ones filling the stadium for years

It wasn't just a shit proposal you're right the Chiefs didn't do much at all. I went to 2 local engagements one was for the entire Jackson County & one was for our neighborhood.

Neither one had a representative from the Chiefs. Both had someone from the Royals and not only were they short on details but they were VERY standoffish to those who opposed it. I thought the Chiefs success alone might have carried it across the finish line but I was wrong.

There's still avenues for the Royals downtown. Just today the the Crossroads Neighborhood Community signed off on the deal. I suspect we could get a vote on the Chiefs alone and a private/state funding for the Royals. OR the city could do what Sacramento did when voters voted down the arena and the city bit the bullet and spent the money themselves.

I don't think this vote had anything to do with the Chiefs. The Royals process and proposal was so poorly handled all the discussion was shitting on them and the Chiefs were barely even being discussed.

Yeah they definitely did them in.

They never put tax issues on a November ballot in a presidential election year. There is a reason most of them are in April or August, low turnout is what you really want.

Kroenke owns Ball too.

Ball is staffed by the same people that staff Empower and Coors. When you cluster the resources, the city wins.

Can you blame Clark? Arrowhead is a depreciating asset. It’s over 50 years old. There’s so much renovating that will need to be done in the coming years. Even the damn ceiling broke on Chris Jones in an interview last year.

I think Clark know that it will cost a shit ton of money to upkeep an old stadium and his thought process is that it isn’t worth it. Might as well get money for a new one in that case.

And honestly Legends is a far better place business wise. Getting a “no” vote gives Clark the excuse to move

Nashville Royals

It’s exactly this. The chiefs were an afterthought. Because they were brought in as Calvary to rescue the royals from themselves at the end.

I think the Royals could scale back and just focus on keeping businesses around and revitalize the old buildings around the area. Would be able to get private dollars plus money from the city

Will Hunt and Sherman privately fund their own stadiums?

Remember when I called that and you told me f*** you. ROFL

What? 1 of 3 privately funded... Kroenke the richest owner in the NFL and LA is the #2 market... :rolleyes:

I wonder how many percentage points the parade shooting took off, too. At least a few.

I think it’s the latter.

Just connecting some dots.. Clark’s dream is to host a Super Bowl. Like obsessed. It’s not happening at Arrowhead. Multiple years we’ve heard about how bad the practice facility has been run down. And there really isn’t an excuse for it unless…

No, why would they, plenty of options for it to be funded.

So does this mean we’re the St. Louis Chiefs? Or more like the Gladstone or Parkville Chiefs?

They could focus on turning the East Village into something instead of trying to shoehorn themselves into an already thriving district.

And just build an awesome stadium and abandon the dipshit entertainment district idea

Bonner Springs Chiefs.

The property tax scam put everbody in a bad mood, when it come ta raisin taxes.

The Royals stadium location sucked, and everbody knew it.

Wipin out section 8 houses scared the crap outta a lot of people.

If there's $ in building the stadiums, the city/county can issue tax free municipal bonds ta pay for buildin the stadiums, and pay off the bonds with alla the money .gov "makes" off the stadiums. Easy.

Cept .gov doesn't make money, it can only take money.

Fans that want the stadium built can sign a contract ta pay for a personal seat license or option ta buy season tickets at a discount, ta finance the construction.

I don't disagree.

I'd leave as well. The Independence area just never developed like other parts of KC. And most of that was bad local leadership, IMO. But some of it may have just been bad luck.

In either even, the proposal is crap. He'd probably have a better chance of getting a whole new stadium built there under a similar cost split.

It will still be the KC Chiefs... hell the Giants and Jets are in NJ.

Not really.

I don't really care about the Royals much. I care about losing fans if the Chiefs move to Kansas.

Jackson County voters have soundly rejected such a notion.

Moving a few miles North and West will magically make a difference?

Unlikely.

But there's a middle ground between full private funding and throwing $600 million at the Hunt family to build luxury suites and otherwise shit in the fanbase.

I voted for it.

On the other hand, it sucks that a source of pride and benefit for this entire city/ area must be funded by just one county. In an ideal world, that burden would be spread out to all who benefit.

I think there are some major issues with the EV and the highway which I'm not sure MoDot budges on. Also Cordish liked the the Crossroads because it's basically right across the street from P&L.

Plenty of other counties, and Kansas willing to have a 3/8 cent sales tax...

I think there is much more to it than that. There is a larger theme of class warfare happening. I just wish these sorry-ass poors were consistent with their poor voting and life choices

They're not going anywhere.

This was a shit plan, the marketing was extortion, it was stupid all around.

I strongly opposed the plan because of where they wanted it, but also because there's literally nothing detailed in writing other than some picture mockups and vague promises. It was a shit show.

Come back with a better plan, put the details in writing, and we'll take a look.

I'm not opposed to the concept, but this was ridiculous.

absolutely, it will be the Chiefs moving on their own. It will win in a landside on the Kansas side.

don't say things that are untrue if you don't want pushback.

Yep I am aware but I think in this case high turnout helps not hurts them. Need the more casual voter who also doesn’t want the teams to leave.

Not from the area and haven’t spent much time on this, but aren’t they locked in until 2030? Can’t they just get better proposals together by then? The arrowhead updates were the CEH of updates. And down town stadiums suck the peen. Maybe fixing a few things here tips the scales.

Let em. Arrowhead parkin lot's fulla plates from everwhere.

Your thinking is flawed.

We need teams, but we don't need any specific teams. I'd support who wants to be here. The Chiefs (hopefully just Donovan's) threat to leave pisses me off. Like Jackson county hasn't given years of support when they sucked as well as when they won. If Royals or Chiefs were to entirely leave the metro new franchises would come in and get local support. Just my opinion, I'm sure some will think it's sacrilege lol.

Well, you lot do have a history of rejecting the Royals.

pushback. I believe there are 3 privately funded stadiums. Kroenke is the richest NFL owner, or was at the time of construction. LA is the second biggest market. All true. All reasons that make a privately funded stadium feasible for SOFI. Do you think Clark has the capital or means to build his own stadium?

it's idiotic... Do you think some St. Louis fans didn't think the same when the Rams left?

https://www.nfl.com/news/790m-settle...ouis-departure

St Louis has bitched about it in the past

That is what they were doing in the Crossroads. Build an awesome stadium and let the Crossroads and PNL be the entertainment districts.

Don’t need A/C in Olathe

No league is expanding to KC if the Chiefs and Royals relocate.

They’re gonna be forced to come up with a real plan and proposal this time around. Whether it’s another county or city this shitshow they put out isn’t gonna pass the sniff test anywhere else.

Maybe actually try to win the voters over next time. They give a D- effort and saw what happened

Look at the pole up top. People that aren’t from KC will apparently say yes to anything! Let’s see if that works for the royals

correct, that's why I responded to your original post like I did. They don't have to rely on alternatives, plenty of options will be available for public funding.

Lol Rams only had fans during the greatest show on turf. Horrible example.

Yeah but people actually care about keeping the crossroads intact.

They couldn’t read the room on that one and go with the not so secret site they’ve been planning for years?

Acting like there is an equivalency between Kansas City and Los Angeles here is hilarious.

There is a reason Kroenke was breaking down the door to get to LA.

Can the lease be broken now that the money from the sales tax is gone?

As has been shared, the Chiefs wanted this to fail. This would force the Royals to leave and the Chiefs would then pass the tax and receive all the $, or it would pass in Kansas and receive all the money. That's why their effort was hollow from the beginning. I didn't want to believe they would walk from Arrowhead, but that is definitely one of the options they preferred over this being a yes vote. The sandbagged it and anyone not believing that still believes Rashee Rice wasn't driving the Lambo...(although he will be good to go)