Seems like a pretty lame deal for a shutdown corner and being moved off the tag. The Titans either just hit the jackpot or screwed the pooch I'm guessin'.

I don't know what steps 4-8 are for this team. Maybe Veach wanted to make a trade for a LT/G/WR and couldn't do it with Sneed's money tied up. Maybe he's waiting for the price on someone to come down.

I'm not saying he couldn't have done something only that he clearly didn't want to wait around until TC with Sneed on the books. That's just a fact - he pulled the trigger and took the deal. Why?

I don't know. Hopefully for something that makes us all happy soon...

What? Sneed's contact has $10 million more guaranteed than the next CB contract. Sneed better have three really good years or this is a complete disaster for the Titans.

I said earlier, they had not intent to paying Sneed $19.8. If they didn't have a deal for a 2025 3rd or better , which would be better than a comp pick that isn't guaranteed and unlikely, they probaby rescind the tag. Veach has a plan, in fact, it's probably 2-3 years out. Of course it requires deviation, but Veach was never going to pay a CB.

Not being sarcastic.... Do you really think without Sneed, or at least the Sneed we saw last year, this will be top 5 D?

….and now veach has money to work with to fix other gaps, and work other pending extensions.

He will, and this take is ridiculous.

Yes, we were 1/2 last year and we have good CB Depth.

Watson and Williams are studs, we will be fine guys. If there is one position where I trust Veach with my life on, it’s the CB position

Watson and Williams are solid pieces but calling them studs is an overstatement

The extensions part is crucial! Creed, Trey, Bolton, Reid all have contracts that are expiring

…and Connor, and they were supposedly high on N Johnson before he got hurt.

There is young talent and depth in the corner room.

Watson and Williams make plays, that’s all they do. They are indeed studs!

Connor is a safety but yes Nazeeh Johnson and Nic Jones are some great depth as well

How far up could that 2025 3rd allow us to move up from 64?

Straight up salary dump by Veachy.

Clearly the team values adding 4-5 high quality bargain FAs over Sneed.

I do.

Sneed's a really good player, no doubt. We still have a loaded secondary, and IF they bring back Danna (or a comp player), the only big missing piece is the one spot where we're stacked with good young talent.

Combined with an offense that just added a legit WR, year two of Rice, which should have the defense in better position than they often did this year, and yeah, I think it's a top 5 unit.

Hate to see Sneed go. He's earned a chance at generational wealth for his family and I'm happy for him. That being said, I hope this is not a bad transaction. BV has been amazingly astute up to this point, but every time you throw the dice, occasionally you'll get snake eyes. We let Thornhill Fuller and Ward leave as FAs, and overcame all that just fine. You can't have an all-pro at every position. The economics of the NFL doesn't allow it. You know other teams covet ALL of our starting players because they have the rings. Teams that are trying to compete want guys who have been through the big battles. I also wish BV would have sent him to the NFC, but maybe that just wasn't possible. There's still a lot of wheeling and dealing to go before August training camp. Let's hold judgement until we see the whole picture.

I guess we're about to put that statement to the test.


I'm not pleased with the return for the trade, but is anyone shocked that no other team out there wanted to give up big compensation to a team coming off back-to-back Super Bowl wins for a player that ultimately ended up getting the most guaranteed money EVER at his position by a wide margin (and that's not even bringing up potential health/knee questions)? Someone said it earlier in the thread - the Chiefs chose Chris Jones over LJ here, and it really is as simple as that, especially considering the glaring upgrades/replacements that are needed around their generational franchise QB.

As much as we all collectively loved Sneed and saw his value, and wanted the compensation to match his obvious value, this was inevitable. Especially when they obviously decided he wasn't going to play on the tag (or didn't want to play him on the tag).

I wish Sneed all the best moving forward and hope he enjoys that bag of money in a state with no tax on personal income. Get some pick sixes against Richardson, Lawrence, and Stroud. But may he shit his drawers against Rice and Brown.

A nice voice of reason and some perspective

How quick we forget..... Everyone or most posters were up in arms over the Hill trade. No way you make that trade? Trade the #1 receiver? Never under any circumstances. How'd that deal work out? 2 straight ****ing SB's. Also one of the best corners in the game. $30 million in cap space.

Let him cook. Veach has earned the right to get the benefit of doubt.

Yes clearly it was a matter of choosing Stone Cold or Sneed. It's gonna be interesting to see how we move forward. I think it's a bit presumptive to assume all of Creed, Smith, Bolton, and Reed are getting extensions. We'll probably get a better idea of soon of what they're thinking and if they are gonna target a corner early. Any discussion about how good the defense is gonna look hasn't had any mentions of FAU included....

Veach had more than earned the right to do what he thinks is best. We all should let him do his job and be thankful for our SB wins.

The only indispensable individuals on the Chiefs are:

1. Mahomes
2. Kelce
3. Jones
4. Reid
5. Spags

This move is about future team building and this years draft. Trading Sneed will allow Veach to sign a veteran OT and maybe another WR. That allows him to not be backed into a corner at draft time and he can select the BPA. He can also start discussing an extension for Creed and Bolton.

"A lockdown corner takes away a receiver. A dominant pass rusher takes away all of the receivers."

I hope you’re right but…shut down corners don’t grow on trees. Veach is the best GM in the NFL so I’ll remain optimistic about our situation. The bottom line is how many more points we score and how many more points we give up unless we find another shutdown corner in the draft.

They got much better compensation on the Tyreek deal.

McDuffie is a shut down corner too. Hard to keep two on your roster and QB1 and the current most dominant DL.

Echoing staylor’s earlier post. The Titans 3rd is gonna be far closer to a 2nd than 4th. First year team in a division with all winning teams last year and a tough schedule.

They will be a mid 3rd at worst IMO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach knowing he has an extra mid 3rd round pick (at worst) next year will probably give him the green light to use a 2025 2nd in a trade up in the first round of the draft if needed.<br><br>A good contingency to have in a class with great players at Chiefs positions of need.</p>&mdash; Conner Christopherson (@Conner_DKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/Conner_DKC/status/1771566699445108927?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Probably not. But defensive success from season to season is incredibly volatile anyway, so the odds weren't in our favor that we were going to be a top-5 defense again even if we ran it back. This obviously reduces the odds of that even further as the scheme is going to have to change on some level, but the counterpunch is that the offense will be improved. And that's called 'team building.'

I sat this thread out last night bc I knew it would be a blood bath.

Am I sad to see LJ leave and him not be worth what we hoped? Sure.

Am I damn happy he made the right call to secure generational wealth? **** yes.

Do I understand why the Chiefs are here and continue to build their roster in a more dynastic way that is reminiscent of the only other dynasty we’ve seen in the last 25 years? Yep.

That $20 million is gonna be used to fill the rest of the roster and go into the draft with absolutely zero holes. And in the draft, we are only gonna get better.

They’re making the choice to extend some younger pieces — I believe Creed, Bolton, and McDuffie will all get paid ultimately. You can’t pay em all and not expect it to bite you in the ass. Have to keep getting younger and cheaper in certain spots.

Three-peat is still on and so is the massive Super Bowl window for the next many years that hopefully puts the Chiefs past all other franchises in total Lombardi’s.

Teams overvalue picks too much nowadays, IMO. A 3rd round pick is more likely to become KeiVarae Russell than a star player.

If I'm a GM in the league, I would give a mid to late 2nd rounder for an established star CB who is only 27. Provided the contract asking price wasn't too high, which seems to be the biggest hurdle here. If Sneed went down on his asking price, we'd get a better haul.

We shouldn't be thrilled with this trade but that's just the market. The price wasn't going to improve next year either. Nobody was happy when Tyreek was traded but they used the money and picks wisely.

And fans over value the players on their own team. So these meltdowns by certain people, not you but others, are over a trade value and market that didn't exist. Pure fantasy.

Most teams, probably so. But teams that manage the draft well and have a generational, but expensive QB, are the exception imho

Sneed was a really good player. I'm bummed we didn't more for him, but whatever.

Glad we still have McDuffie.

Veach is attacking the WR problem, just as he did the o-line and defensive backfield before.

The $20M not paid to Sneed in 2025 can instead be used to pay Hollywood's new deal should he earn it in 2024. Draft a good WR in a great draft class and, barring injury, the weakness becomes a strength and bolsters the offense for life after Travis.

No question the defense may suffer. But it would be foolish to not do everything possible to better equip the offense going forward. We have Mahomes.

It doesn't need to be.

If the issues with the horrific offense we fielded in which we couldn't reach 20 points in over half of the contests are resolved, then it won't be on the defense to win these games, and to keep us in the game as we shit our pants series after series.

The offense couldn't answer the bell when asked to score three touchdowns, more often than not. That's unheard of for an offense quarterbacked by a fully healthy Patrick Mahomes.

3 touchdowns is normally a good first half when things are working. When we see the offense return to form with competent skill position players, the defense is only going to need to get a few stops per game and it's lights out. There will be some drop-off, there will be some scores surrendered, but it won't matter because the offense will be competent again.

We needed that top flight defense with the abortion of a wide receiver corps we fielded. That will not be our offense next season.

Many also assumed that Arizona would be getting a likely top 5 pick in this year’s draft with Houston’s first round pick when they made the trade last April.

Future draft picks are highly unknown in that way.

That’s why getting zero draft capital in return to use in this year’s draft was disappointing.

Wow. I calling for a 2025 first, only getting a 3rd is a slap.

Well, highlights are it is better than a comp pick for losing him fa.

He either has some more damage than we thought and the fact he wanted to be so highly paid.

Us not paying him this year hopefully gets us and upgrade on the online. Or I hope we can talk Donaldson out of retirement for a 5th.

Agree with pugs here. Something else to keep in mind: the Chiefs moved on from good corners before. They replaced Kendall Fuller and Charvarius Ward with no issues. In fact they got an all pro, 2 solid boundary corners and developmental corner (Nazeeh Johnson) who had a similar profile to Sneed (minus height) and got 1st team reps in camp.

If there is any position I trust to be fine in this organization it’s corner. Dave Merritt and Spags have been outstanding finding and developing DB’s

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I think everything will be fine once we see some signings start dropping. As soon as they announce the first deal after this trade that we were able to make because of moving his salary, everyone will be happy again.

Are the Colts still in the mix? Can we get their 44th?

Kendall Fuller wasn't a good corner but yeah corners are a dime a dozen under this regime. Mahomes, Kelce, Jones are the only non replaceables

So, the downside is that the Chiefs no longer win games 17-10 and instead win them 38-28?

Sign me up!

A third seems low to me, but I trust Vartch to make sure this team is locked and loaded for the threepeat.

Thanks to Sneed for helping us win another title, and good luck in the future (except against the Chiefs).

I couldn't disagree more. Veech had no leverage unless he was willing to play Sneed on the tag and that only works if they rework a bunch of other guys to get more cap room to address other needs.

It would have set off a domino effect.

Sneeds contract demands also clearly played a roll in all of this.

I mean yea it sucks we didn't get more but the writing on the wall has been that is going to be a 3rd rounder for a long while now. It sucks but really there weren't many other options unless you want to scrap other plans to play the guy on the tag which they clearly didn't want to do.

So we drafted him in the 4th, got 4 great years out of him and traded him for a 3rd and $20MM in cap space.

And Ten is going to be dogshit next year so that 3rd may be fairly high.
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A third would be not so bad if it was in THIS year’s draft.

To get basically zero draft compensation in return to use in next month’s draft is the issue.

Also no way to know how good or bad this worked out until we see what they do with the cap $$.

CB are NOT as valued as they once were....IMO, and obviously Veach feels the same way. The day of OVERPAYING for a "shut down" corner are DONE if you are a smart team, the rules have changed and the NEW game is putting pressure on the qb and sacking the qb. The Chiefs choose to pay Chris Jones and NOT overpay for sneed. I liked Sneed, but in today's NFL/rules, shut down corner is really not a thing.

I was actually thinking this about the Titans. Probably they'll be better, certainly with Sneed, so it's a bummer it's not this year when we could've used it in a really good WR/OT class...but I still think they'll be terrible and that pick will be at a decent point in the round in 2025.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach knowing he has an extra mid 3rd round pick (at worst) next year will probably give him the green light to use a 2025 2nd in a trade up in the first round of the draft if needed.<br><br>A good contingency to have in a class with great players at Chiefs positions of need.</p>&mdash; Conner Christopherson (@Conner_DKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/Conner_DKC/status/1771566699445108927?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Not a thing? Did you watch this season?

I don’t know how you’re defining “shut down corner,” but Sneed was every bit the definition of it.

We don’t need to create these fantasy narratives to justify the trade. It’s not a good one at all, but that doesn’t mean they can’t retool in other areas and be every bit as effective. I would’ve preferred keeping him on the tag and dipping in via other restructures, but that has its own set of dominos and we don’t know what’s gone on behind closed doors with Sneed and his medicals.

It is what it is. Time to move on.

Carlton Davis did not require a new contract out the gate, its not apples to apples FFS.

It sucks to lose a great player like Sneed. And a 3rd round pick just doesn't sound like enough. To me it came down to what it always does, money. We couldn't afford him. Other teams know this. I don't think the Chiefs had a ton of leverage

Jalen Ramsey had a career year statistically in 2022. Career highs in tackles, FF’s, INT’s, passes defended and sacks.

He only netted the Rams a 3rd.

The trade was fair market value.

Yup. This what I said earlier. I think that 2025 2nd to move up in the 1st is absolutely on the table.

Thank you for everything, L'Jarius. Make us proud. Hope to see you banging the drum in Arrowhead someday down the road.

We signed Hollywood Brown this year. If Sneed was just released and signed elsewhere, we probably don't get a comp 3 next year. Even if we did(which is unlikely), it's not a comp 3 this year. Let's start there.

I thought we'd get a 3 this year and maybe some other low pick. I think if Sneed wasn't holding up on the contract talks so long, we may have. Other teams made moves in the meantime though and that moved other teams out of the bidding. Sneed's camp was the hold up here, not Veach.

Now, I can understand people also wanting to just keep him for a year on the tag. I'd love to keep him too. He's not completely healthy though and there have been plenty of reports that he wasn't going to play on the tag and I think that's a legit possibility because this is likely his only chance at a good contract. Injury concern is real and is one reason why I was better with keeping Jones over Sneed.

So, comp noone is happy with but at least it's something tangible and allows us to make moves. We have an extra 3 next year and that gives us extra wiggle room to move up this year if we want to. It gives us extra money to work with. Veach wants to solidify LT and this gives us the ability to do that and protect the most important position if we want to 3peat, Mahomes.

I'm not happy with the move but I understand it. I think Veach did the best he could with the situation. I understand why others won't agree with that but that's also why none of us are GMs of a ****ing dynasty like Veach is.

From the Chiefs perspective:

They believe they already drafted his replacement and he can step in and take sneed’s place while also giving team capable of getting plenty of safety help with money they save.

$55 million guaranteed is $10.5 million more than the next highest guaranteed amount for a CB in NFL history. From day one he let chiefs know he wouldn’t be giving any hometown or superbowl discounts.

He wanted as much as he could get, and for a 27-year-old player with medical question marks who has never made a Pro Bowl or All-Pro team in his career, that price was more than they were willing to spend.

Wish they could have gotten more, but better to get something instead of nothing.

If they couldn’t get deal done, dealing with Bolton, Humphrey, and Trey Smith and his contract would be too much. Just like with Jones and Sneed, Veach probably already knows who he has to get done, and who he has to tag. At least they got something, next year would be worse and walked away with nothing

It’s not comparable. The Rams were aggressively trying to get rid of salary and retool their roster and had no leverage or expectation that they’d be super competitive. The Chiefs had the ability to keep Sneed on the tag.

My point is not what we ended up getting for him. I don’t dispute that’s fair market value because that’s what we ultimately ended up with. I just think it’s probably going to be a loss versus how things would’ve played out had we kept him and moved money forward elsewhere.

No one can seriously feel good about what we got in return here, could they? We’re trying to justify it by pointing out that this allows Veach to move up in the draft more easily? The value of this pick allows us to potentially move up from 32 to 28. That doesn’t sound wonderful or exciting, even if that’s the reality.

I’m not mad or upset because I trust Veach. I just think it’s a very bleh end result here but I’ll fully judge it after seeing the rest of the offseason.

WTF? How does "2025 3rd and 2024 7th round swap" equate to "always fine with keeping Sneed"?

We chewed our arm off to get out of paying him $20M this year.

This probably could be a separate thread, but the OT FA market is pretty thin right now. Outside of using the Sneed savings to re-sign Donavan Smith, is there any OT they could trade for that perhaps that money is earmarked for?

You make an interesting point. Disguising blitzes and sneaky bracket coverages is what Spags does so well. I will admit Sneed recieved a lot of scheme help from Spags but he was also a really good player. Him shutting down all those great recievers is slightly inflated.

All in all a third round pick is sad. Maybe his knee was worse than what was reported, IDK.

Its actually very. comparable. We fit the franchise tag in the current cap, sure, but long term it wasn't going to work. Plus, there are still holes to fill in free agency, this team has nobody at backup QB or LT. Its time to stop dreaming of draft picks and deal with the reality of the situation of the cap (which isn't a year to year thing) and current roster needs.

Not sure we win the Super Bowl this year without shut down corners


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just last season tying up that cap room on Jones tag handcuffed us. Maybe Veach didn’t want to repeat that?

No, it’s not. Teams move money around to make stuff like this work all the time. Long term it could absolutely work. We decided to go in a different direction. That’s fine.

When the Rams were trading Ramsey, they were forced to accept market value because the alternative of having him on their roster that year yielded little benefit. That’s not remotely the case in our situation. Hence, not comparable.

Remember that time we turned a 4th round pick into two super bowls and a third round pick? Yeah that was awesome.

Why do I feel like the Titans made out like bandits?

Doubtful they would move him, but maaaaayyyyybe there is a slim to none chance the Vikings would be willing to move Darrisaw given that he’s due $16M in 2025 on a club option and probably requires an extension before he even considers playing on that anyway.

Teams don’t give away stud LT like him, but he’s the only one I can think of that even sort of fits your description.


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Sneed was not ever part of their long term plans, I don't know how anyone could not understand this. So what that means is they had to accept market value and get what they could.

Fans have been fooled into this idea the only reason you tag players is to get a 1st round pick or some other large haul. In this case it was simply to get something in return because they knew Sneed wasn't going to be a Chief next year and other teams knew it too.

Playing him on the tag and letting him walk next year would have netted KC nothing of real value either.

Would you have traded a 3rd round pick and $19.8MM for 1 year of Sneed knowing what we have in the DB room already?

That is ****ing awful compensation. Good lord....we'll still probably win it all, but this is an absolutely pathetic return ROFL

They did. They have a great player who will help them compete. They had the money to do it.

Meanwhile we're stuck with knowing we drafted a player in the 4th round, he was awesome/elite for us for four years and important to delivering 2 championships, then when we couldn't afford to pay him market value he gave us a 3rd round pick on his way out the door. Poor us.

The titans are paying through the nose. And we essentially got a better than comp pick instead of a comp pick. This was always fair market and people tried pointing it out weeks ago but no one wanted to hear it. Craig Stout wrote a good article on CB compensation. We may have been in the mix before FA for a better pick but Sneeds demands likely stalled that.

I’ll put it like this:

I thought our floor was a 3. I thought our ceiling was a 2. We got a 4.

The value of the 4 allows us to move from 32 to 28.
The value of the 3 allows us to move from 32 to 24.
The value of the 2 allows us to move up from 32 to 17.

(Obviously it’s all only possible if the team will trade with us, but just speaking strictly from a value perspective.)

I’m sure Veach isn’t happy with how this wound up either. We don’t need to pretend to be.

Off to find the spin of that Colts dude that GUARENTEEED Sneed signed with Indy ROFL

Yeah the trade value is underwhelming until you see what the market was. I don’t think Veach wanted another Chris Jones holdout situation potentially happening again and we need the money to fill out the roster.

I get we could restructure but there are multiple reasons why that wasn’t an option. One could be Clark telling him no more cash. He just gave a lot to Mahomes in a restructure. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was the situation.

Agreed. There is zero way to spin this as a positive gain. It's actually kind of deflating to lose a guy I liked for peanuts.