Yea, it absolutely is, which is why I think the strongest connection is culture.

Yeah, I had to wear special pants even as a younger kid so my giant cock didn't drag along the ground.

Everyone in the school called me tripod, it was humiliating.

What about being a pussy?

Ugh. Life is so unfair! Sorry this happened to you.

Thanks. I used to get super triggered when people would call me a giant dick for booting them out of a thread or whatever, but I've learned to cope. Now I just ban them, lulz.

I think we could resolve everything in this thread if we just allowed staylor to create a poll.

That’s always been the most effective way to end the conflicts I’ve had with him.

JFC i **** one poll up and now I'll never live it down.

Bully!

Alex Smith ended up having a great career

I don't think anyone under the age of 30 should be exposed to any part of CP. Once you've hit total emotional maturity (or at least the age you should've hit it by) then they can make their own horrible decision to spend precious time in this cesspool.

I've reached out to a couple of my Bears fan friends for their thoughts on this. Both are trying to put on a brave face. I mean, what else can they do at this point? Decades of QB futility, passing on Mahomes for Trubisky, another wasted first round pick on the broken and departed Fields, and now here comes this freakshow. One of them said that if he wins, it'll all be okay. Chicago did embrace Rodman, after all. I've just got a bad feeling that this clown will end up being the Malibu Barbie version of Johnny Manziel. Nobody will embrace that.

The good news? We now know what it takes to make Joe Burrow look normal.

You came to the right forum.


We can relate.

Ultimately, this is what matters.

If I were a GM, I'd probably take more note of his alleged comments about wanting part ownership of the franchise that drafted him than the goofball shit he wears and dresses up with for reactions on the socials.

They'll know real quickly how much respect the team has for him, regardless.

If he's good, there will be a Marcus Peters or two on the team to be offended

I think Caleb Williams definately has eye brow raising character concerns. If he wasn't a QB I could care less but this guy is going to be the face of your franchise. I'm not buying especially when the gap between him and other players is not a wide margin. Some say there is no margin.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hTg6dSzYEx0

I have no issue with this. They are just rebeling, finding their own way/thoughts different from their parents. I get that.

When I was in elementary school my classmates were listening to Bobby Goldsboro, the Carpenters etc. I was listening to Alice Cooper, Led Zepplin and Black Sabbath. They thought I was the devil incarnate. Just listening to different music got you the mark of the beast. Wearing pink or painting your nails doesn't merit the mark of the beast either.

Trivia time. Who was the last Bears QB to throw for 400 yards in a game?

It was Jim ****ing Miller, people.

When you're THAT franchise, I'll take the player who can throw the ball the best.

Jim Miller did it when the year had a 1 as the first number. 1999.

The last Bears QB before HIM? Some dude named Billy Wade did it in 1962.

If it weren't for the dumbass 85 team, I think everybody in Chicago would have killed themselves by now

He might throw the ball best, and he does IMO, but it's the question of being the best leader on his team, the best at processing the field, and the best at studying the playbook.

The most complete package in this draft IMO is Bo Nix and it's going to suck a bit if Sean Payton gets him in Denver.

What evidence do you have that Bo Nix is better at those things than Williams?

Again, I know it seems like I'm related to Caleb Williams in this thread, but from a purely football perspective, I fail to see why Trevor Lawrence was can't miss next Andrew Luck omgwtfbbq and Caleb Williams is the rocket-armed Jay Cutler who likes getting his nails done.

We're not in on the team interviews nor are we able to hear the truth from Caleb's college teammates and coaches about how he is as a leader. We know as much about him as we did with Lawrence.

And that's what matters. Bo Nix is not going #1 overall. I don't know what to tell you there.

Lol if you want to cape for Young then go ahead buddy. But THE FACTS thus far we have seen Baker, Kyler and Young all get picked number one and ALL fail to live up to the hype.

The throwing over the middle struggles are a common trend amongst short QB's and further explained in an article on the ringer called "Bryce Young and the short QB dilemma". Check it out, you might learn something :thumb:

I'm pretty sure he has a GF and that he was banging a lot of the sorority broads in Oklahoma. Or maybe he goes both ways? Hmm, who knows.

And why should anyone of us care? Far more interested with what he'll do on the field next season.

Drew Brees was a second round pick and was a bust with the Chargers before Payton saved him. And Caleb plays nothing like him so what's your point?

First pick in the second round.

Thanks for the correction.

yeah my guess is he's bi, not that i care.

His sexual orientation is whatever. It's more his character and whats going on between the ears.

All this stuff I've seen in this last year is... questionable.

Caleb does the Lambeau leap after a hard fought loss to the Pack

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/VyP5sRZ-W4o/hqdefault.jpg

I didn't say Nix was going #1 overall. But I do think, at this point, he's going in the 1st round.

You're right, we don't know everything and we can't. He certainly has the arm talent but is the field reading and the leadership really there? I have major questions about it with what I can see.

He doesn't seem like a poised leader. I'm not high on a QB that won't address the media. I'm not high on a QB who doesn't exhibit leadership on the sideline regularly with his teammates. I'm not a fan of a QB who doesn't look to have the fire to put a team on his back and take them the distance. He has looked like a guy out there for the fame and fortune, taking advantage of NIL over all other things. Maybe that doesn't speak to his character. Then again, maybe it does.

I worry he's a bit more of a scripted passer than people seem to think and the Arizona games this year and last year really emphasize that notion for me. I think they all are to a large extent in college, don't get me wrong.

I give zero shits if he paints his nails or cries. I think we're beyond that as a society. If he's gay, he's gay. Whatever.

I mean, you're not wrong in that the Bears almost have to take the shot on the kid. I just think he's going to be a lot less than hoped. Maybe Kyler Murray-esque. Talented but not enough.

There's a simple fix for that, you know.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...Vdu98&usqp=CAU

Unfortunately the penis reduction surgery didn't take for Bearcat. It just promoted new growth. Now he's got two heads on a massive hawg. He can get in both holes with one shaft. Quite the blessing.

“Further explained” my ass.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-draft/...ombine-outlier

Here’s what this article says about short QBs struggling to throw over the middle. Zero explanation, zero deep dive into statistics, zero citation.

I didn’t learn anything. That article sucks and so do you.

Your first comment that I responded to in this thread said Caleb Williams was “barely 6 feet”. First of all, that’s factually incorrect. He measured at 6’1 and 1/8” at the combine. Second of all, you’ve provided no actual evidence of 6’1” QBs being unable to throw over the middle because they can’t see. In fact, Drew Brees, who is even shorter than Williams, is one of the most prolific passers over the middle of the field.

In this fantasy world you’ve created in your head, does Drew Brees have X-ray vision?

We can't all be as enlightened as you, eh Komrade?

Our fanbase is a HELL of a lot closer to the mainstream on this subject than the dude that trolls Communist Reddit looking for material.

You should maybe lay off accusing people of being on their high horse while simultaneously looking down your nose at them.

In 2004, coming off an injury in 2003, Drew Brees was the NFL Comeback Player of the Year. He had 27 TD’s, 7 INT’s and threw for nearly 3500 yards (pretty solid numbers back then). He also finished 5th in OPOY voting and did this while playing in a freaking MARTYBALL offense! He was NOT a bust. :rolleyes:

The talent was always there. Playing for a coach who had a 70’s offensive mindset is what held him back.

The Dolphins and the Saints(2 storied franchises for failure). Battled for the right to gamble on a QB who was looking good. But had a very serious shoulder injury. The Saints won, twice. Sean Payton became a genius( laughable sports media been around awhile)

Holy shit.

This thread went....places.

Early on, when I (at least I thought) was early on him busting, it was because he nonchalantly thought he was every bit as good as Mahomes. His lack of awareness of just how goddamned hard it is to do what Mahomes has done.

After all this, I think it still remains the core tenet of what I believe.

Somewhere along the way I became a ****ing old man who doesn't understand kids. Accordingly, I'm not going to cast a load of stones on fashion shit, because let's be honest - sometimes Mahomes wears some weird shit.

But here's the difference - early on through his draft stuff (which admittedly was much less publicized than Williams'), dude was buttoned up - totally on his shit. He was absolutely professional and totally focused on not giving a team any red flags at all. It wasn't until he lit the world on fire that he let his personality show a tiny bit. Even still, today, as in-****ing-fallable as he is, he's still professional all the time.

Plus add in that some of the draftees - especially in the green room wear some really ****ing weird shit. Admittedly I don't care enough to go back and figure out if the weird ones have busted, but I'm going to presume they didn't.

I don't know that I'm willing to say because of the clothing choices he's going to bust. But I think the total lack of awareness with the clothes and shit supports my main tenant of he thinks he's already made it. And he hasn't.

And I'm open to being wrong. If the dude comes in and grinds like Mahomes did, he'll probably be good if he can stay healthy. But there are enough indicators that he wouldn't, that it would scare me.

What the Jesus Christ? LOL

Sidenote: I'll agree that Williams is the pick. Mostly because he's the consensus pick. GMs are well aware that if they go wit the consensus and he busts he has a built in excuse. If he goes out on a limb and it doesn't work out, he's probably ****ed.

They're picking Williams, but if I were a Bears fan I'd be shitting my pants.

It took how many years for you to understand this?

Oh look, it's the butt****ing moron that can't read again.

You don't even understand my position, because you're a borderline reerun.

Lol, why are you so emotional about this? You are the one who has irrational thoughts about some dude that has no impact on your life wearing pink nails and carrying a pink phone.

And lipstick NTTAWWT

What specifically are my "irrational thoughts"?

I'll wait...

LOL so you don't believe an article talking about the struggles of short QB's seeing over the middle but then when the FACTS OF THE LAST THREE SHORT QB'S PICKED FIRST ARE PRESENTED, YOU WANT TO MAKE FEEBLE EXCUSES LIKE THE DUMB IDIOT YOU ARE?? PLEASE!! ROFL


Of course you didn't. Cause you're a dumbass who doesn't understand the basics. If short QB's are no different than 6'2 guys then why has the majority of the short QB's either failed or been nothing but average?


HE MEASURED UNDER 6'1 AT HIS PRO DAY YOU MORON!!..so he IS NOT 6"1 AND IS NOT TALLER THAN BREES. Furthermore Brees is AN OUTLIER!!...you keep bringing up a guy who DOESN'T PLAY LIKE CALEB!!..and when presented with facts about Baker, Kyler and Young you just spew a whole load of contradictory nonsense. Why have all three struggled in the league?? Simple question.


You made a statement that Brees was great throwing over the middle so can you provide those stats smartypants??? :)

That got me curious - and I'm sure this has already been discussed ad nauseum here - but I had to look up the Chiefs 400 yard passing games before Mahomes.

2010 - Cassel threw for 469 in a 49-29 loss to Denver.
2003 - Trent Green threw for 400 on the nose in an OT win against the Packers.
2000 - Grbac threw for 504 in a 31-49 loss to the Raiders.
1983 - Bill Kenney threw for 411 in a loss to the Chargers. The Chiefs threw for over 400 in a loss to Dallas but the yards were split between Kenney and Blackledge.
1965 - Chiefs threw for over 400 against Denver but split between Dawson and....Pete Beathard?
1964 - Lenny threw for 435 and 6 TDs against Denver

So 5 times an individual passer threw for 400+ in a game in 54 years. Mahomes has done it 10 times already in 6 seasons. Insanity.

Lol dude had ONE YEAR where he didn't throw 15 picks you moron. One "good" season out of five is not good enough. But it doesn't suit your argument that he also struggled in his first five years like Baker and Kyler does it? ROFL

Are we sure about the lipstick? That somehow does tip things into a new category. That seems like the next step is just full drag queen. If that happens this show is about to get really good.

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The post that started this shitshow

Yeah I guess I was just not 100% that it wasn't lighting or natural pink color. But now that I think about it I'm sure you're right.

Ah yeah, not 100% sure

The whole photo looks off, from the hand placement, to the earring, probably fake

AI generated photo of Ryan Leaf meets Jussie Smollett

Ummm, no. No, I don’t. The article literally just says “short QBs struggle to throw over the middle because they can’t see over the linemen”. That’s it.

I can’t say definitively. You’re talking about a small sample size, which I think has a lot to do with scouting biases. That bias seems to be going the way of the dodo if recent trends are any indication.

Doug Flutie, Mike Vick, Baker Mayfield, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray, Jeff Garcia, and Tua Tagovailoa are/were all plus starters in the modern NFL who stood at 6’1” or shorter.

You are legitimately too stupid to breathe. He measured 6’ 1 & 1/8” at the combine and 6’ 0 & 7/8” at his pro day. That is well within the normal range of height variation for an individual.

Here, go ahead and read this. You might learn something.

https://www.arcjournals.org/journal-...me-3-issue-1/4

There’s a multitude of reasons Baker and Kyler have struggled in the league. I don’t think I’d put their height in the top 5 for either.

K, so you think Brees threw for 80,000 yards and nearly 600 TDs throwing outside of the hashes? Lol. Sure, chief. I’ll get right on that!

Do you have any numbers that contradicts that notion? It's easy to say "it's not true", but why don't you presents some facts behind it?


So it has nothing to do with WHAT'S BEING DONE ON THE FIELD!!..oh no it's "the scouts fault that short qb's struggle" ROFL


The majority of them never lived up to the hype and had various struggles. Which is why anyone claiming Caleb Is a "sure thing" is silly.


The numbers for qb's UNDER 6'1 are even worse than they are at 6'1 dummy. That's the point. Kyler and Young are the last two in that category.


Lol that's because you're in complete denial!!. :D


YOU said "he was great throwing down the middle" so show the stats then? What you waiting for?

You initially made the claim. The onus is on you to provide proof.

I think that plays a part, yes. From a young age, players who are not tall enough are likely steered toward different positions, which leads to fewer short QBs who make it to the league.

There’s precedence there actually in how the football world handled black QBs for decades. Coaches thought they were not smart enough to play QB or too athletic and were steered to RB or WR.

This isn’t saying much. The majority of QBs struggle and don’t live up to the hype, doesn’t matter if they’re 6’1” or 6’5”.

LMAO OK, well Caleb Williams is 6’1” so wtf are we talking about?

I’m not going to waste my time looking for splits.

You want me to do some legwork to show you that a top 10 QB of all-time, who threw for 80,000 yards and 571 TDs despite being known for having a weak arm, was able to exploit the middle of the field.

Think about that. Think about how ****ing stupid you are.

Didn't Earn It

I showed you that I'm not alone with the notion I expressed. Now show me proof to disprove it then? If what me and others are saying is so wrong then prove it??


But surely there's a REASON for that if what you say is true? And surely the evidence from shorter qb's in the league struggling also plays a part?


This has nothing to do with smarts though. This is the physical nature of a QB and what has worked and not worked. And the facts suggest short QB's are not often as successful as taller one's. Simple.


But again this is a silly comparison when there are way more 6'5 guys to choose from so the fail rate is naturally way more common.


No he's below 6'1. And qb's below that height who have Bern picked early have struggled.


Lol if Brees was so good over thr middle AS YOU SAID then surely it should be easy to prove? Lol don't tell me this coward is running from another simple request? ROFL

This is my first time running into this dude.

Is it me or is he a total shit stain of a poster?

Not you.

And who would have guessed that this clown would hide from simple questions? ROFL

Who is this chump? :spock:

I'm sure this will go over well for you.

Destroying Every Institution

I'm pretty sure that homosexual was trolling KC with that rig. The company name was "sorry in advance" and the bear was holding the flag. Troll went home with the L.

Celeb should take notes in case he ever finds himself rolling into Petty Pat's house.

Still waiting bitch

Should be entertaining

They're both gay! We get it already.

LMAO

Caleb could have the most interesting character arc of all time and start wearing a certain red hat this fall. He'd be light years ahead of Kanye at the same age

:popcorn:

I think he should have an agent. Agents do more than just get your NFL contract, they help manage all of your outside opps which will pay more than his salary with all the hype.

Next time someone complains about Brittany or Jackson. You have a response

Maybe it's Caleb, maybe it's Maybelline?

ROFL

How did this loser get the label of “cool”

That is what passes for cool with Gen Z I think.

At least he won a Natty before we knew he was insufferable.

Congrats, ladies. In a thread where you claim a QB is going to be a bust because he wears things traditionally sported by females, you compare him to an elite QB to support your argument.

Dummies.

I think wrist strength was the glue, not sure

Leave us out of it. We're waiting for our nails to dry.

On that note.

The argument that a man is less of a man because he wears pink draws on the idea that women are less strong. There are times id agree.

I've had 4 CSections, 2 with no painkillers afterwards. Went to work a week later. I was almost 40.

I think I like the internet because I can identify the little bitches much easier. They like to hide it in public.