Aman-Ra St Brown DID set the league on fire this year, definitely got snubbed by ProBowl.

If we could add a St Brown to this squad we'd be on fire!!!

1,500 yards & 10 TDs!!!

I'd say Egbuka is alot more like your boy Aiyuk than St Brown. Way faster than St Brown.

Sign me up!

Carol's stepping down in SEA and Vrabel's gone from TEN... maybe vets Locket and Hopkins do become available. Interesting.

Yeah, I mean even with that statement I'm not giving Egbuka enough credit. St Brown is like a 4.6 guy and Aiyuk is a 4.5 guy. Egbuka likely runs in the mid 4.3s.

Jordan Reid on ESPN has us taking...

Brian Thomas, LSU, 6-4, 205, 4.47 in the first round

Reminder: Pick Nos. 19-32 are based on ESPN's Football Power Index projections for the playoffs, and the order won't be final until after Super Bowl LVIII on Feb. 11.

25. Kansas City Chiefs
Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU

Outside of Rashee Rice, the Chiefs' pass-catchers have had a disappointing season, from a league-leading 38 drops to an ineffective downfield passing attack. At 6-foot-4 and 205 pounds, Thomas is a fluid mover, getting in and out of his breaks with ease and showcasing the speed to race past defenders. His 17 touchdown catches led the FBS this season, and 10 came on vertical routes. But Thomas can also use his frame in contested situations to make tough catches, which would make him a favorite of quarterback Patrick Mahomes.

Team needs: WR, IDL, EDGE

Not trying to stray from the OP but here is the full list Jordan Reid has for his first mock...

1. Chicago Bears (via CAR) Caleb Williams, QB, USC
2. Washington Commanders Drake Maye, QB, NC
3. New England Patriots Jayden Daniels, QB, LSU
4. Arizona Cardinals Marvin Harrison Jr., WR, Ohio State
5. Los Angeles Chargers Malik Nabers, WR, LSU
6. New York Giants Rome Odunze, WR, Washington
7. Tennessee Titans Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame
8. Atlanta Falcons Laiatu Latu, EDGE, UCLA
9. Chicago Bears Dallas Turner, EDGE, Alabama
10. New York Jets Olumuyiwa Fashanu, OT, Penn State
11. Minnesota Vikings Jer'Zhan Newton, DT, Illinois
12. Denver Broncos J.J. McCarthy, QB, Michigan
13. Las Vegas Raiders Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB, Alabama
14. New Orleans Saints JC Latham, OT, Alabama
15. Indianapolis Colts Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia
16. Seattle Seahawks Troy Fautanu, G, Washington
17. Jacksonville Jaguars Keon Coleman, WR, Florida State
18. Cincinnati Bengals Amarius Mims, OT, Georgia

Reminder: Pick Nos. 19-32 are based on ESPN's Football Power Index projections for the playoffs, and the order won't be final until after Super Bowl LVIII on Feb. 11.

19. Green Bay Packers Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jared Verse, EDGE, Florida State
21. Pittsburgh Steelers Taliese Fuaga, OT, Oregon State
22. Arizona Cardinals (via HOU) Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama
23. Los Angeles Rams Tyler Guyton, OT, Oklahoma
24. Miami Dolphins Jordan Morgan, OT, Arizona
25. Kansas City Chiefs Brian Thomas Jr., WR, LSU
26. Houston Texans (via CLE) Byron Murphy II, DT, Texas
27. Philadelphia Eagles Cooper DeJean, CB, Iowa
28. Detroit Lions Bralen Trice, EDGE, Washington
29. Buffalo Bills Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas
30. Dallas Cowboys Graham Barton, C, Duke
31. Baltimore Ravens Chop Robinson, EDGE, Penn State
32. San Francisco 49ers Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo

I don't really know that he plays to THAT though

Well Egbuka is returning to school and not declaring, so much for that. Probably a good idea on his part.

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I’ve been seeing Bowers in the teens quite a bit. I know we’re all in on WR at the moment. But he would make just as big of an impact… in the short, and even more so in the long term

Didn't expect it. Might be that he'll be the focal point and that OSU recruited Will Howard out of the transfer portal to replace McCord. Though, hard to pass on being a sure-fire 1st round pick. He got dinged a bit this last season so hopefully he doesn't get injured or it'll tank his stock.

That's always the risk, but looks like he's banking on staying healthy and being an early 1st rd pick as the focal point in that offense now that MHJ is gone. Of course being taken later in the draft there's a good chance you're going to a better team, so if you're still likely to be a 1st rd pick then I agree it's not necessarily worth the risk like it would have been prior to the rookie wage scale.

Brian Thomas Jr. it is then...

So far we have:

1st rd prospects
Rome Odunze
Malik Nabers
Keon Coleman
Adonai Mitchell
Xavier Worthy
Troy Franklin
Brian Thomas

Day2/3 prospects
Jalen McMillan
Tez Walker
Ladd McConkey
Ja'Lynn Polk

Not bad. Marvin Harrison Jr still undecided. Has until 1/15

That stinks on Egbuka but is probably a smart bet on his part.

Other than Luther Burden, I’m not sure there a WR next year that ranks above him.

WHAT IN THE ****ING ****!?!?!?!?!

How could you do this to me, Emeka!?!?!

Did you really think you were going to get your top WR 2 years in a row?

7 wrs in round one? Really? That’s a lot? And legette would have to included on that day 2 list even with all his red flags. His comp is probably treylon burks out of Arkansas but treylon had more college production. Even so, leggette has got to be picked in the 2nd? This wr class is loaded. Maybe we should be thinking LT in the first and maybe trade up in the 2nd? One of these WRs has to fall, right?

I think the last 4 guys are just potential 1st rounders.

I need to watch more, but.....after Coleman there those others seem like fringy day 2 guys.

But that's probably what you're getting at the end of the first

Am I wrong to not have much interest in those lanky jump ball type guys?

6'4" 195 lbs and projected to run in the 4.4 range. Yeah after what he showed on tape I'm pretty confident saying today that Adonai Mitchell is a first rd pick.

His combine testing will confirm that though

Not a big fan of them myself.

I'm not particularly sure Keon Coleman is actually a first rounder. He looks incredibly slow and doesn't really get much separation against college CBs. NFL CBs are going to cover him like a blanket, which just emphasizes more on winning jump balls and contested catches. That isn't as easy in the pros either. I'm just don't know that he has that first round pedigree, despite all the pundits thinking he's a top 20 type. He sure doesn't look it. I'd say Franklin and Thomas are MUCH more of a sure thing to go in 1 than him. Then again, maybe I'm just wrong but my eyes don't like what I see from the guy.

I do like Mitchell alot the more I've watched. He's atleast got the ability to really play outside, but I'm not sure he's a big separation guy is he?

Troy Franklin

I love Franklin, but the consensus seems to be that he's not a 1st round pick. Hope that changes as we get further into the process.

As a late first round pick he would be worth it. He has speed and size. To go with a lot of college production at a high level

I agree. I'd be more than happy with him in the 1st.

Troy Franklin is 6'3 and all the hype is he is a sub 4.4 guy if he runs a 4.3 he's going round 1.

That should definitely be the thing that gives his stock a huge boost, but for now the consensus seems to be that he's not a 1st.

He'd still be neck and neck with Brian Thomas Jr. for me today, and they'd be followed by Leggette.

Tez Walker is someone I like in the second. His college career has been a nightmare to follow. But when he finally got the chance he took off.

If this class weren’t so deep at wr, and he had 2 years of playing at a school like UNC he’s probably going in the mid first.

Xavier Worthy is probably the odd man out here. He's listed at 6'1" 172 lbs and you can see how lanky he is wearing pads. He's fast but I think his weight is gonna hurt him

Yeah - he plays as light as he measures.

Just too easy to body off the ball. I think he has the same issues Hyatt had last season, I liked Hyatt quite a bit more than the NFL did and he ended up going in the 3rd round.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Worthy have the same sort of slide. He's really not on my 1st round list at all. He's just too damn slight.

Nope.

If for no other reason than I don't see KC having an interest in them either. I'm hopeful we see a team or two that grabs them to push guys I like better down a bit.

Agreed.

The more digging I've done into the class, the more I'm paring that 1st round list down. There are the same 3 that I think are obvious 1st rounders, Egbuka's out so that leaves Thomas as WR4 (fairly easily, IMO) and then Walker has a shot at putting himself into consideration in the 1st round for me. Mitchell is a guy I need to look at a little more as well to decide where I stand on him.

The other guys just have issues they can't do anything about at this point. Franklin and Worthy are scrawny, Coleman is slow. Leggett's lack of productivity prior to this season concerns me, though interviews might be able to tell me the story there.

All those fringy 1st round guys don't overly excite me in that I could just wait and trade up a bit for Leggette in the 2nd.

Put some time into watching Troy Franklin vs DeVonta Smith. I think you might end up changing your mind on him.

I like Franklin.

But what I keep running into is that I could theoretically have say...Amarius Mims and Leggette or Franklin in the first.

That's....tough for me.

Mims is pretty raw and probably a best fit at RT but yeah I get it. Though, you could also postulate that you could move up for a guy like Kingsley Suamataia in round 2 or stay put and take a guy like Kiran Amegadjie. Is the better WR and a near equally as raw OT in 2 be out of the question for you?

That's to even say the Chiefs will need an OT at all or early. I don't love Morris at LT but maybe the Chiefs think he's learning in practice that I can't see or know. They could also dip into the FA waters there again.

Whaaaaat? Why!? So he can be the #2 WR instead of the #5-1 in the 1st-2nd next year? I don't understand this logic.

If he's confident in himself, then why not go in as a early RD 2 guy on a 4-yr contract and get to your first real contract faster?

If he stays and goes 1st round on a 5-yr controlled rookie deal it'll take him 2 more years to reach that contract, and every year is a risk of a career ending injury.

help me to understand this decision?

I'd say that's where I'm at also.

It's hard to overlook Thomas' length and 17 TDs! 10 of which were downfield.

Franklyn has everything you'd want, feels like an Andy Reid WR to me.

Leggette... I think he had more yards his 5th year than DK Metcalf did his whole college career, so that's something. If he turns out to be DK, he might be the guy CP says "we shoulda taken," but he could also be Trey Burks IMO. Boom or bust. But man, a DK Metcalf type playmaker would be a lot of fun in KC!

Marvin Harrison Jr in. Just declared.

Gonna see 3 WR's in the top 10 IMO

It's early, but the more I've watched and dug in on these WR's that are gonna be around our area.....I like don't love any of them.

Now with Egbuka goin back (he was my favorite), I dunno. I'd have to know who was there when we pick and or where we're picking.

If a scenario occurred (one that never seems to ) that we could trade out of the first and still get our guy.....I'd love that.

I always had the opinion that Devonta would get destroyed in the NFL...depends on he is used, I guess

Damn shame about Egbuka. It's Franklin then Thomas for me I think. I might even move up slightly for Franklin. I don't care about the weight, he plays bigger, beats the press and is generally excellent against man coverage, has incredible releases, long speed. Only mild concern is drops but they're not wild.

The Chiefs threw the shortest passes of any offense in the regular season.

Rice had the 5th best PFF grade of any rookie this season. Nice!

I don't get it either. He will turn 22 in October of this year. He was my most wanted with where kc will be drafting. Now I guess it's Brian Thomas Jr.

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Yeah.....shit I do like Franklin alot.

I'm becoming more of a Leggette guy too.

I don't think we get Franklin without moving up, but man I would love it.

I ****ing LOVE that quote from Fanklyn!!!

16 plays of 30+ yards is hard to ignore!

A playmaker might be exactly what we need.

Someone who doesn't need the ball too much.

We already have Kelce and maybe Rice is our #1 WR.

Saw projections today for Hollywood and Ridley to sign deals elsewhere on 1-yr $12m "prove it" deals.... If that's a reality I'd jump all over it.

Still amazed by how many big, fast, athletic WRs are in this draft.

All of the possible 1st RD WRs are 6'3-6'4 except Nabers.

Harrison Jr
Odunze
Coleman
Thomas Jr
Mitchell
Legette
Franklyn

Ultimately, I'd be fine with any of these guys.

Whoever Mahomes, Reid, and Veach decide is there guy.

Mitchell and Franklin are the guys most likely available or within reach that I'm most high on right now.

Both can fly, and track the ball well.

Me too. I wouldn't hate Thomas but he looks like he's rising. I think Franklin's going to test really well though and I'm concerned that pushes him out of reach.

how many WRs do you think go in the first? Feels like 6-7

I've become a big Legette guy. Swing big.

All this talk for us to draft a WR in the 2nd round. Start ramping up that disappointment.

This is probably what will happen. I think they're gonna go after a decent vet in FA with proven experience/results like Juju and then take a lineman of some sort in rd 1. Probably look for a LT if one can be had.

Not sure what would be wrong with that plan this year with such an awesome WR class that's deep in talent.

For me it goes back to the thought that generally there are often not tackles taken late in the 1st that are good fits at LT and any tackle taken there by KC is highly unlikely to be ready to step in from day 1, so unless it's just a can't miss prospect that is somehow available there I don't see it being a wise pick.

DL has been significantly invested in the past 2 years in the 1st round, specifically at DE. I'd be pissed if they took a DE rd 1 knowing that that player probably sits the bench for the whole year just like FAU did. I wouldn't necessarily hate DT as it's a huge need and needs an infusion of talent.

Not that what I think matters at all, but I personally still don't trust their evaluation of talent at WR. Yes this is a deep draft, but the longer and longer you wait the greater the variance in talent and potential for the player not working out. If they're taking a WR in the 2nd it should only be if they either traded down from their 1st rd pick (meaning the guys they wanted weren't available and they didn't trade up so they're trading down to gain more draft capital) or if they're trading up to the top of the 2nd from their original 2nd rd pick. This team simply can't afford to get the pick wrong at WR at this point.

All that being said, I see the only viable options in rd 1 being WR, DT, or OT. Yes BPA and all that, but KC should take this into their own hands and trade up/down as necessary to ensure they get the BPA pick at a position of need.

Who said anything about taking a DE in the first round?

You don't go in with the "WR or DT" stuff.

At the end of the first, you need to just keep taking BPA with some positional importance. Don't not take the highest rated guy on your board and take the 7th WR just because.

Hell, I wouldn't hate taking an interior OL if there's one there that you love.

I agree that it's WR, OT, or DT in the 1st.

Rice was a good WR eval and fit, hoping there's so much talent at WR in this draft that you can't miss.

Let Pat throw some balls with these guys and he'll tell you which he likes best.

I think it's WR, maaaybe OT. Don't overthink it - it's a LOADED WR class, make sure you get one of the, I dunno, 7 1st round talents (?), and call it good. If somehow they're all gone and there's a stud OT left, sure, but I think the best chance of getting a true blue-chip player who makes a difference Day 1, comes from picking a WR.

Normally, sure, but the 7th best WR is probably BPA when compared to the 2 or 3rd best DT. This is a good year for us to get BPA at a position of immediate need.

I'd sure as hell hate that considering you're guaranteed to take a player for the 2nd year in the row in the 1st who will be sitting the bench all season. At least at DE with FAU it's a premium position and the payoff may be worth it long term if he's a hit.

Interior OL is not a premium position and taking someone who will require a redshirt year is an extremely poor use of resources.


I get it, don't fixate on having to have a certain position. But that's why I suggested they can create their own fortune and trade up or down accordingly. There is absolutely going to be someone available at WR by pick 20 that falls in the BPA category. If there is someone they feel strongly about then trading up to get that player isn't the worst idea. On the other hand, if that's too expensive and the options available at their pick aren't great then trade down somewhere in the top half of the 2nd rd. I just hate sitting at our late 1st rd pick and waiting because every year we inevitably see a run at our position of need right before we pick, time after time.

Takes 2 to tango. Can't trade up if no one wants to trade down.

If you're taking an interior OL there, he's gonna be a day 1 starter so you would probably look to trade Trey Smith at that point if there were any takers. If not, said guy can step in next year.

The problem is...once this all plays out, it's probably gonna end up being more like a normal WR year. There's 3 high end top guys, then about 7 or 8 that don't really separate themselves all that much. So take the BPA there, trade up in a Rice type situation and go from there.

I look at it in tiers. If you have a big tier, you can wait. If it's small, you can get burned by waiting.

I expect us to fill one of these positions though in FA, so I think the choice becomes a lot easier when we get there.

Like others have pointed out there's only a couple 1st RD DTs this year. So say you keep Jones, now you only need to decide how comfortable you are with our OTs and whether or not there's an immediate OT starter available at the bottom of the first. If not, well, it's pretty clear this draft is stacked with WR talent so then you take your shot and develop an OL from the 2nd or 3rd again like Morris.

Maybe Jones leaves and you pay Mike Evans, whelp, now you might look to move up to secure one of those DTs, etc...

I think the position of choice will become pretty clear by draft time.

Draft the best player. It doesn't matter what position, especially at the end of the first rd.

The Ravens had multiple first rd picks in 2021 and 2022. In 2021 they went for positional value drafting WR Rashod Bateman and DE Odafe Oweh. Bateman is a bust and Oweh only has 13 sacks in 3 years.

In 2022 they drafted S Kyle Hamilton and C Tyler Lindenbaum. Both of those guys were pro bowlers this season. Hamilton made all pro.

Yep.

In the end, if the guy is really good it allows you to fil a spot cheap and go buy another.

Again, that’s why I’m suggesting they trade up or down to find a spot where BPA aligns with need. You also conveniently left out that WR was a need for Baltimore this year and they made sure they got one.

If teams truly just take BPA no matter the position, what happens when the board falls in a way where WR isn’t necessarily the BPA in the first 2-3 rds? Really going to go into 2024 with a depth chart at WR of Rice, Mooney,Moore, and Toney?

nobody is against trading up or down, but it takes a willing partner.

Veach refers to them as pockets. With how much WRs cost in FA, it may be smart to take 2 in the first 4 rounds.

Again I don't think it'll be that difficult a decision. It's an OK year for WRs in FA but not outstanding, there's nothing for LT and there's plenty of DT options. You've gotta think they partially fix WR and sort DT, unless there are trades.

There's LOADS of WRs but as always there will be a drop off in quality somewhere in R2. I just think the smart money is still on them going WR with the first pick somewhere in R1. Even if we went for Evans in FA I just can't see Veach taking the risk.

LT we'll cobble together a solution as we did this year and get another developmental guy R2 or R3.

Last year was the best way to play it IMO. They coulda just taken Rice in the first and no one woulda really blinked, but they played the draft well.

Dont' take a WR in the first if the guy is a 2nd round prospect.

There was a lot of variance in people's opinions on Rice if I remember, but not many had him as a definite R1 guy. Yes, we'd be happy having taken him end of the 1st, but they played it perfectly by drafting roughly where people were grading him.

If guys who are borderline R1/R2 are available end of R1, and they should be in this draft, take them there.