I hope you're right but I wonder if the comments about Skyy making a leap forward and believing Toney could be our #1 were meant to boost those players confidence a bit.

They wouldn't put them on the field if they didn't think they could produce at a high level. This team expects to compete for the Super Bowl every season.

I want to believe you, but CEH is still on the team... and I still can't come up with a good reason why.

Have you ever worked with someone who joined your company with an amazing reputation and they are super likeable in person, but absolutely suck at their job? That's CEH.

Still on the team, but demoted to a minor role. There's nothing wrong w/ CEH as the 3rd back. And next year he's gone.

He's been demoted to the third back. He's fine for that. He's pretty good at the scramble drill, he's just not a plus player, so he's a disappointment as a first round pick.

I really think it's as simple as all of the youngsters were just trying too hard to make up for Kelce being out. If they just settle down and do their job, they'll all be fine.

While I didn't say anything close to that, I was a big believer early on that not having a cheat code like Tyreek on the team would actually make Mahomes even more dangerous by turning him into a spread-it-around QB.

So I don't know about Tyreek not being good. But his absence turning the Chiefs into a more dangerous team? Absolutely, I still buy into that.

Don't get me wrong, I'd take back Tyreek without a second thought, but I sure as hell wouldn't pay what we got from the Dolphins.

This. If they were forced to shoulder the load late in the season instead, it might've been different.

Now with Kelce back they can grow within the offense without the pressure of him not being there.

If they honestly thought Skyy was going to produce at a JAG/Meh level (but hoped for better), who are they putting on the field instead?

:shrug:

Skyy sucks at tracking the ball. We saw it when he was fielding punts, and when in the 4th and 25.

Oh I thought Hill had all the talent in the world. But I certainly suggested that he might become a locker room distraction at best and an on field distraction at worst.

I had doubts Miami was going to get decent return given what they paid in draft picks and salary. But so far, pretty good for them.

You’d be essentially giving up Karlaftis, Moore, Connor and Coburn

He does until he doesn't my friend. The only thing that alarms me is Patrick appeared to have trusted Pringle and D-Rob more than Skyy. With all certainty we know Skyy is more talented than those two.

Do we? Or maybe it depends on what you mean by talent.

Skyy doesn't seem all that talented attacking zone in the NFL yet.

Or for instance, D-Rob seems to me that he was more talented on the scramble drill than Skyy has shown so far.

Hopefully he improves. But I'm not super optimistic.

Chemistry between a QB and his receiver goes a long way. More often than not, the reason why there may be a lack of chemistry between the two falls on the receiver.
Skyy is what he is. A gadgety type backup you bring in to rest the starters. He won't even amount to a WR3 and unfortunately, we would be very lucky if he gave us Hardman type of production which I don't think he can. Guy was just a bad pick.

At least Toney doesn't suck as much as Skyy Moore.

Thus, the second half of that sentence you didn't bold.

Gotta love these definitive statements after one game.

I guess I Misunderstood that sentence. I assumed you were saying you wouldn’t pay what we paid to get him back.

Fwiw - I think he’s more McDuffie + a 3 rather than Karlaftis.

Read that Kadarius is injured again? Something about his foot?

“Kadarius Toney’s left foot was bothering him a little bit,” Chiefs coach Andy Reid said after the 17-9 win, via Pete Sweeney of arrowheadpride.com. “We’ll check it out. He played most of the plays that he was supposed to be in on. [Wide receiver] Justin Watson was dehydrated. He came in and got an IV, and then he was going to come back out if it went into overtime.”

We'll be fine

He still makes me nervous, especially after the catch. He does a lot of fighting for extra yardage in traffic, which is playing with fire.

At one point he fought for extra yards that I didn’t think were there and ended up eking out a 1st down, but then on another play he fumbled the ball backwards, picked it up, kept backing up trying to find a crease to get some positive yardage and risked fumbling again amidst a bunch of teal jerseys.

I suppose you just have to take the good with the bad there.

Dude has a weird style, so much so that I feel like it's hard for the play designers to figure out how to use him. Although I will say Patrick missed him wide open yesterday, I know it's not popular to criticize Patrick but he did - it's on tape.

Toney is not going to work out in the NFL. Justy my gut that this **** uppery and injury shit will go on and on. SB hero for sure but he won't last here.

Yeah I do think his injury history is going to shorten his career at this point.

Made of breadsticks

He's like Sammy Watkins, when he's out there he will have some great moments but he will be out or dinged up most of the time. He probably can't be a guy you can build your offense around.

He practically breaks his own leg every time he makes a cut. He's a tough guy to tackle though.

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I think they should put Toney on punt returns. I don't know why Richie James is the guy, he straight up dropped one against the Jags and had a history of doing that with the Giants. Toney is a legit weapon on the punt return game and it's worth putting him out there for it IMO. He isn't like a superstar receiver that you wouldn't risk him on punt returns.

It's pretty clear from the replays he can't see the ball because of the sun. I'm willing to give him a pass on this, this time.

I agree, except that when healthy Watkins was a pretty good receiver. When Toney is healthy, he can be a game breaker.

I thnk that's a terrible idea. Even the absolute best punt returners in history only score on a couple of plays a season the record is 4. He can break 4 long passing TD's in 4 games if he stays healthy. He's electric with the ball in his hands. Keeping him on the field with the offense is more valuable and he's way too injury prone.

Sadly though if he just takes that to the outside with his blockers he picks up easily the same yards, plus most likely some extra ones with the light chance to house it.

LMAO

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If he cuts outside he is right in the path of #23 and is a lesser gain. The Defender Kelce blocked had already released and would have had decent shot at the tackle as well.

See bold

I think Hardmen was a more wise investment.

What? He read his blocks right.

Yeah, surprising strong for how fragile he is though. Dude is an odd kind of athlete but an athlete none the less.

Yeah, no. that was the right read. If he bounces out to his left after clearing the blocks, that defender to his right almost certainly tackles him right there. He had to bounce back to his right to avoid that guy, and then he's basically surrounded.

Toney can be dangerous but concerns about him are still there with good reason.

If you ain't jukin you don't got no bling

I'm wondering if he's missing this next game. Sounds like James is for sure.

Should be a method for testing vision before you decide to field a punt.

Like maybe throwing some grass up in the air and seeing if you can see it or not

I dont have an easy way to post the screen shot, but he splits the two blocks, plants and cuts in. I believe if he keeps his momentum in a straight line towards the sidelines instead of planting and cutting back in, he out runs the defender releasing from the block, whether he outruns the pursuit is debatable but I believe it would have ended in the same yardage if not more.

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Or maybe . . . . . . and I admittedly am going out on a limb here . . . . . . . . . maybe he's looking to move and buy a different house in the area . . . . . . . ?

I know, crazy talk.

LMAO

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Hope not. Needs to get the **** out of that house if the Chiefs want to eclipse the bronco's in superbowls.

He's buying a wing at KU Med

Damn. Those property tax increases are just chasing everyone out of town.

His feet are shit. Always broke.

240k for a mobile home seems like a lot. I guess the views make up for it, although the neighbors tend to be loud on Sundays

Lol good times

Counting on Toney to be a 1 was a mistake. He's only gonna be a more enhanced gadget player with limited snaps to last a season. Gets hurt too much to ever be more

Nothing they have actually done suggests they looked at Toney as a #1 guy for them.

That was like the narrative that Taylor was brought in to be the LT…when that was CLEARLY never the case.

JUSTYN ROSS.......... LET HIM LOOSE!

Has he been declared out for the game?

Why would you go into this season with this receiving core if you didnt think he was then?

He practiced in some capacity today, so it's not out of the question. Honestly, though, we shouldn't be rushing ANYONE with a nagging injury against the Bears.

We almost just need to sit Toney for the regular season and just bring him back for the playoffs. Love the guy's ability, but it's pretty clear he's got a major case of injuritis.

He's never going to be completely healthy.

Because this WR corps is a developing group that the roles haven’t shaken out yet.

I’m low key excited for the opportunity that Ross is going to have against the bears.

This could quite possibly be a breakout game for the kid.

Returned to practice today. Could possibly play.

Just let him rest and let’s see what Ross and Rice can do in expanded roles.

It’s time

I certainly would like to see Rice and Ross have more opportunities & am excited about it but the coaches did not want them in these roles. It is taking injuries by James & Toney for it to possibly even happen.

You mean, other than targeting Toney the most out of all the WRs?

Not officially in those words, no. But Reid did say he thought Toney could have an increased role in the offense. And he does have more targets than any WR. :shrug:

If you look at snap counts, it's not necessarily because they're feeding him the ball. He's really good at getting open.

OK Dr BrainiacLMAO

Oh, I know. I've been saying since last season that he's the best WR we have at getting open when he's supposed to get open on his routes, but that's just my opinion, based heavily on the analyses of several former NFL QBs and DBs. So take that with whatever number of grains of salt you choose.


And I think part of the reason his snap counts aren't higher so far in 2023, is due to his preseason injury. Andy is just bringing his snaps up slowly, partly because Toney didn't get the benefit of preseason work/practice, and partly because Toney probably still isn't really in 'game shape.'

Yea, but that's because they're easing him back in after missing all of TC.

His snap count will continue to go up as long as he stays healthy.

Toney is peanut brittle.

Nah peanut brittle is tougher.

I elect we nickname him "Jenga".

Didn't you predict he'd get 1500 yards or some shit ROFL

https://www.nfl.com/news/chiefs-see-...limit-on-his-g

Chiefs GM sees Kadarius Toney as No. 1 WR: 'I don't know if there is a limit on his game'

But it seems there are significant limits on his frame.