If he can be Golden Tate....I'd take that every day. Dude was never a #1 WR but he was a damn good WR.

I just don’t agree that there aren’t any elite traits.

His route running and ability to win off the snap is elite, especially when you consider that he’s relatively new to the position. Do understand how rare it is for a guy to be playing the position for so little time, yet his route running be that good?

His hands are ****ing huge and he catches everything.

His 10 yard split is elite.

He’s 21 years old, and he’s only been playing the position for 3 years. He’s nowhere near his ceiling yet and he’s already VERY good.

In terms of his physical status though they aren't.

They're all above the baseline needed to be successful. He's very advanced as a route runner, but it kinda gets into the fact that he has to use that to get open at that level which may be an issue. We will find out, but generally, when guys have to use fundamentals to win, once you bump them up a level, that makes it a tough transition.

That's my own interpretation of traits and physicality etc. It's not a career ender or anything, but usually guys that win with pure physicality have the ability to refine the route running at the highest level to gain that advantage. He already has that but doesn't quite have the elite physical traits.

Neither does Emmanual Saunders or (insert WR). It just tends to cap what you can be.

I don’t necessarily think he’s going to be an All-Pro, but I see no reason to think he can’t be a consistent 1,000 yard WR, and a high end WR2, maybe even a borderline WR1.

I don't really see why not, especially in this offense.

Again, not to put words in his mouth. But if that's what you are shooting for, I think DJ is saying you could have gotten that a little later in the draft and taken someone at maybe another spot who had more upside here.

And I disagree.

He has more upside than you guys are giving him credit for.

With his physical stature, it's gonna have to be in a non traditional kind of way (Edelman, Welker etc) I think. I'm not he can consistently win outside but again, being a 2nd rounder and in this offense, I don't really care.

1,2 whatever. Get open and catch the ball. The rest will figure itself out.

He’s a little guy that plays much bigger. Maybe not like Tyreek, but with his ridiculously big hands and the way he can go up and get the football, and his ability to break tackles after the catch.

I’m telling you, you guys will be pleasantly surprised. I have no doubt on my mind.

If he turns into an 800-1000 yard receiver then this was a huge win

There's a balance between upside and a polished receiver who has the potential to contribute day 1. This wasn't the draft where rolling the dice on the Christian Watsons of the world was going to put the Chiefs in the best position for success.

I'm curious as to why it wouldn't or shouldn't be?

DeSean Jackson, Doug Baldwin and Wes Welker were around his size and they were just fine. Same for Steve Smith.

The kid was not drafted to be a number 1 WR. He was drafted to be a weapon and even if it’s complimentary that’s fine. He’s going to be a nice weapon.

I think he’s gonna be what they hoped Hardman would be

Because our WR room has been depleted and we can't afford to miss on another earlier round pick in that department?

AKA what Hardman actually is? You were arguing in the draft lounge against Hardman because he's just a gimmick weapon or whatever, now that's what we're advocating for.

Whats you issue with Hardman?

It's obviously not a size thing. Welker was a slot only player, Jackson was a 2 route guy. Steve Smith was the ultimate outlier.

I've passed the anger stage. Moved on from the grieving stage. It's now time for acceptance.

Interesting assessment. I'm on the fence with it.

2nd round picks are wildly overvalued IMO, so getting higher floor guys to me, seems wise. I get taking swings, but......I don't know.

I coudl go either way I suppose.

The majority of 2nd round players fizzle guys. If he's anywhere near Doug Baldwin....that's a slam dunk pick.

Skyy Moore didn’t start playing WR until his Freshman year. He had 800 yards (led team) and 4 total TDs as a Freshman learning the postion.

He only had 5 games in 2020, yet he still had 388 yards and 3 TDs while competing with D’Wayne Eskridge for targets.

Then he exploded this year with 1,292 yards and 10 TDs.

He’s absolutely nowhere near a finished product. He’s just getting started.

I don't really get to worked up on that, being in the MAC. He did what you'd expect him to do against that level of competition.

You don't have to sell me on him. I liked the pick. I don't care about "upside" and "development" as much as some. There's just not a whole lot of time for that in the NFL.

Lol You’re just being willfully ignorant at this point.

You’re generalizing. Not every team is necessarily generically minded when it comes to picks each and every year in various rounds. It’s situation specific. Sometimes that second round pick should be a higher floor and other times it’s a higher ceiling. Given that we lost our most potent receiving weapon - by far - and are building a stable of talent to replace him, taking a guy with more questions marks than answers probably wasn’t the direction they wanted to go.

My view at least.

I just wish he had he measurables of say a Cooper Kupp.

There's times to swing for the fence and times to put the ball in play.

With Andy and Mahomes here now, give me stability and a consistent baseline of talent. I don't need the top WR in the league. I need 4 good WR's.

Then what you really wish is that we had drafter Alec Pierce.

Well I guess they are both white but one is 20lbs bigger and runs a 40 .2 of a second faster.

I assume Hardman was a high ceiling guy picked at about the same spot and to be honest he just doesn’t seem to get it and probably never will , I have no clue if Sky will become a better player than Mecole but I think is floor is already pretty close to Mecole ceiling already as for how he can help this team move the chains , mostly based on Mecole inability to do so consistently.

Wow. He came to the perfect situation to develop his talents.

He's already a better route runner than Hardman.

Shuddup, you've never even seen him run a route.

I watched lots of highlights. His route running is demonstrably better than Hardman's has ever been.

Mecole ain’t doing this guys. It’s too easy for Skyy

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Based on the films I watched he also seems track/adjust to the ball better and makes some tough catches , Hardman highlights include sweeps or wide open catches that still look like he’s fighting the ball.

Is it weird that this pick seems a lot better with the addition of Justyn Ross as an undrafted rookie free agent? I just like having huge upside paired with immediate production. You know you're getting SOMETHING out of your WR additions, and you might get a hell of a lot more than you paid for.

Yeah those are some nice releases. I'm guessing he starts in the slot and hopefully by the end of the season he can work his way outside.

Maybe reid sees this and finally incorporates some damn slant routes in his offense

Skyy wins in the first 5 yards.

You can watch this and practically SEE Mahomes getting the ball to him in a way that his QB in college is absolutely not.

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The Chiefs waived receiver Chris Finke on Tuesday. He signed a futures deal with the team in January after spending some time with the team last summer.

Motherfinker

Be interested to see how Skyy does against press coverage.

Pre-draft writeups said he could beat press off the line. I never really understood the CP dislike towards the kid. I get the fact that he's on the short side, but other than that he checks off the boxes.

WIth regard to press coverage, PFF (grain of salt) said: "College football doesn’t use nearly as much press coverage as the NFL, so it can be difficult to look at how players performed against it. But Moore actually saw a reasonable volume of press coverage. He had a top-five PFF receiving grade in this draft class against press coverage in 2021, generating over 3.5 yards per route run on those plays. Generally, receivers that play the X-position have height and length on their side, but that’s because those are tools that typically help defeat press coverage. Quickness, footwork and expertise in releases off the line of scrimmage also help defeat it, and Moore has all of those in abundance. "

Maybe Skyy Moore is too close to Sly Morris. Beat down those old fears, because Mahomes!

(don't pick #84)

Sly was a stud out of the gate.

Andy also made a comment about this.

I wonder if Morris had come around like 5-10 years later what he could have been.

I can't remember the injury he had, but the dude just wasn't the same at all after his recovery. I know guys DID recover from all kinds of horrific injuries in the late 90s, but it wasn't nearly as systematic and ordinary as it is now.

Seems like he was just destined to be a broke dick.

"Morris' career in Kansas City lasted for a single season. He caught 48 passes for 678 receiving yards and three touchdowns in 15 games.

His playing career ended after he tore his right ACL on the last day of Organized Team Activities before his second season. After two years of rehab, Morris tore the labrum in his hip. He then went to a camp with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers but he suffered an injury to his left leg in OTAs before deciding to retire.

Morris is still decked out in all Chiefs gear on his social media pages. He attends alumni week every season and still spends time with the former teammates who were drafted the same year as him like Dante Hall.

His Super Bowl viewing experience was a bit different than Anderson's, as he cheered and watched his former team rally to a 31-20 victory over the San Francisco 49ers in Super Bowl LIV.

"Man, that was awesome," Morris said. "I lost my voice yelling that night."

Morris now does a lot of on-set design work for movies and TV productions. He also coaches at Lusher Charter in New Orleans"

knee.

Good thing that Skyy won’t be playing with Elvis Grbac as his QB and Jimmy Raye as his OC.

then there is Snoop Minnis, of course.

He must not have went hunting with Grbac. Then Elvis threw him into a knee injury

Ranking the top 10 instant impact rookies for the 2022 NFL season: Skyy Moore, Logan Hall head of the class

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1. Skyy Moore, WR, Chiefs
This was a pairing decided by the football cosmos. It will become a "well, it's the rest of the NFL's fault for letting Moore land in Kansas City" type situation. He was the sixth wideout picked in the second round! How in tarnation did that happen? Moore's film was riveting, he tested like a high-caliber athlete and doesn't turn 22 until September. Sure, there's Travis Kelce, Mecole Hardman, Marquez Valdes-Scantling and JuJu Smith-Schuster in Kansas City. Moore will, sooner than later, stand out as a Patrick Mahomes -- and Andy Reid -- favorite in the Chiefs' already dynamic offense. Do other receivers have a more clear-cut path to targets? Sure. But Moore will make the greatest impact among all rookies in 2022.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/r...-of-the-class/

It was a knee injury of some sort I think.

Sly is often used as a 'bust' example, but the reality is he caught 48 balls as a rookie and then blew a knee out.

He was kind of knocked kneed, remember? Might have had something to do with it.

If it's a Sly Mo comp you want, look no further than Justyn Ross.

I thought it was a spinal injury that did him. For some reason i recall something about a back injury in TC.

Meh nevermind. Google says repeated knee injuries.

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Ohhhh he tore the labrum in his hip. I didn’t realize that. I just thought he wasnt ever able to fully recover from the ACL. I had the same labrum injury and I can’t imagine ever coming back 100% from that. Percy Harvin came back after his and actually returned a punt or a kick for a TD but he was never the same. I was amazed he was able to play as well as he was post op though.


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The Jaguars report on his press coverage ability was this:

A classic slot receiver with less than ideal height and length but plenty of muscle and the type of foot quickness that makes him hard for defenders to track down in space, it isn't hard to project a role for Moore. Moore's quick-twitch ability is most evident after the catch, where Moore produced missed and broken tackles at a high rate. Moore is stronger than he looks and can bounce defenders off his lower body, while also getting separation out of breaks when defenders have their hands on his frame.

traded down from 50 t0 54. Pickens, Thornton and Pierce went in those slots
Seems to me that Pickens or Moore were a wash at that point

If Pickens and Moore are a wash I'll take the guy who catches everything and doesn't start shit on the sidelines

Really excited about this guy. Listening to his coach right now. Was going to be a CB, but a WR left and he was the X as a true freshmen. Never played wideout before college and became the top WR for them as a true freshmen. Started off bad at getting off the line and breaking the press and now he's elite at that.

The guy is gonna be good.

If Kinnard and Moore are as good as some think they are, then what a ****ing trade.

I’m really warming up to Moore as I read and see more about him.

He's smart as hell too. Ex QB and he never went through an actual college weight training off season. This guy can put on a bunch of muscle.

Steve Smith similarities growing

I don’t think Skyy has that kind of speed

Skyy rockets in sight

One o'clock delight

Steve Smith was a defensive back that converted to wide receiver his freshman year in college.


Just want to throw that out there. So Skyy Moore can catch it in his gigantic hands.

I am buying Skyy Moore is a more finesse version of Steve Smith. Steve Smith played with flat out attitude. On top of that he could jump through the roof. That stood out on tape.

You've been razzed!

Skyy is a physical receiver, not a finesse one.

Don’t let his size fool you, he was a running back and a safety/corner before college and breaks Tom’s of tackles and gets off press with quickness and strength.

From Bob McGinn:

Bob MyChinn an really, really old Packer fluffer

Ah yes, Reek, forgot he was under 5'9". Two. In the history of the NFL. Wowee. That doesn't make it any less of a point. It's exceedingly rare. What's funny is why people can't admit that fact.

And no, DeSean was not under 5'9" and Steve Smith was exactly 5'9". Go on, search for more.

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James Jones on Moore.

https://twitter.com/bturner23/status...IBceLtaof0Vodg


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Steve Smith, Tyreek, Santonio Holmes, Greg Jennings, Wes Welker, Desean Jackson, Santana Moss were all under 6ft.

Christian Kirk or Tyler Lockett are probably the best comparisons

Steve Smith is his ceiling

I really don't care. I just thought it was funny because you made this comment after 5 years of HoF play from our 5'8" WR.

I'm not going to bother looking into it because it doesn't matter. It'd take too much work anyway. Tyreek Hill is always listed as 5'10" but he is 5'8". I'm sure there are tons of guys who were listed at 5'9", 5'10" who were actually 5'8".

Dat RAS

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