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Sassy Squatch 07-18-2023 08:00 AM

So when does the conversation shift from cutting him in 2025 to extending him until retirement? Because he's a top 5 player on the roster currently and has shown absolutely no sign of slowing down any time soon

Tribal Warfare 07-18-2023 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 17020448)
I was wondering that too

Len Dawson
Priest Holmes
Mitchell Schwartz
Tyranny Matthieu

Who else is on the list? I'm bad at remembering how we got guys.

Willie Roaf and Joe Montana

RealSNR 07-18-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17020494)
So when does the conversation shift from cutting him in 2025 to extending him until retirement? Because he's a top 5 player on the roster currently and has shown absolutely no sign of slowing down any time soon


Creed is the priority OL extension in my opinion. If we can get Thuney as well, so much the better.

penguinz 07-18-2023 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 17020497)
Willie Roaf and Joe Montana

Both of them were traded to KC. Not free agent signings.

Sassy Squatch 07-18-2023 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17020498)
Creed is the priority OL extension in my opinion. If we can get Thuney as well, so much the better.

Of course. But I've seen hypotheticals where Thuney is cut to keep guys like Gay and Smith. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Tribal Warfare 07-18-2023 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by penguinz (Post 17020501)
Both of them were traded to KC. Not free agent signings.

James Hasty,Marcus Allen, Mike Pennel then

Bl00dyBizkitz 07-18-2023 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17020494)
So when does the conversation shift from cutting him in 2025 to extending him until retirement? Because he's a top 5 player on the roster currently and has shown absolutely no sign of slowing down any time soon

Does Cincy have a Thuney equivalent? Cause if not, I feel like Brown is about to be exposed without someone chipping for him all game long.

Dunerdr 07-18-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17020513)
Does Cincy have a Thuney equivalent? Cause if not, I feel like Brown is about to be exposed without someone chipping for him all game long.

He's going to be exposed no matter what. He's got to see Myles Garret and T.J. Watt twice each.

Sassy Squatch 07-18-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17020513)
Does Cincy have a Thuney equivalent? Cause if not, I feel like Brown is about to be exposed without someone chipping for him all game long.

No. Their LG situation is actually quite dire. Vollson or Carman

Bl00dyBizkitz 07-18-2023 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Snatch (Post 17020517)
No. Their LG situation is actually quite dire. Vollson or Carman

Tough. Kind of amazing how Thuney and the Chiefs organization as a whole made up for OBJ's weaknesses.

RealSNR 07-18-2023 08:33 AM

Sandy Angeles
Pittsburgh
Cincy
Minnesota

All of these teams have needed an OL remodel for years. And all of them have yet to actually fix their shit.

KC did it in one offseason.

Praise Butt Vulture!!!

smithandrew051 07-18-2023 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17020513)
Does Cincy have a Thuney equivalent? Cause if not, I feel like Brown is about to be exposed without someone chipping for him all game long.

Important point that doesn’t get brought up near enough

RunKC 07-18-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kysirsoze (Post 17020448)
I was wondering that too

Len Dawson
Priest Holmes
Mitchell Schwartz
Tyranny Matthieu

Who else is on the list? I'm bad at remembering how we got guys.

Marcus Allen

Urc Burry 07-18-2023 08:52 AM

The Thuney signing helps reinforce anytime there is doubt in my mind about Jawaan Taylor making 20m. He was seen as a very good player, not quite an elite one iirc. I remember refreshing twitter hoping we land Trent Williams and seeing we got Thuney for the price we did. Immediate pit in my stomach, and I could not have been more wrong

O.city 07-18-2023 09:00 AM

Yeah, I'd let Smith go and keep Thuney with having the LG surrounded by Creed and now Taylor.

tredadda 07-18-2023 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17020317)
Ranked as the 2nd best IOL in football on ESPN's rankings from league personnel. The guy is Mitchell Schwartz, except he plays G. He's worth every penny. He's an iron man who is the same guy every game. An outstanding technical savant.

Plus he makes every LT we have look better.

DJ's left nut 07-18-2023 09:32 AM

The good news, such as it is, about the possibility of extending Thuney would be that his contract re-set the market but then the market didn't really explode beyond it.

So yeah, Veach may have overpaid there if 2-3 years later he's still at the top of the market. Lindstrom's deal is pretty insane on paper but realistically it's about 4/$75 million. Nelson's deal is in a similar ballpark.

I dunno - I'm still not sure I'm all that enthusiastic about a $20 million guard and with the cap expansion, that's probably where he'd be headed.

With some of the moves we've made to spread his money out, cutting him next year only gains us about $9 million in cap space - I don't think I'd do that. Then the year after would gain you about $16 million.

For $9 million I keep him. For $16 in found space, it's a closer question. And an extension that starts when he's 34 years old? Eh...not sure that's something I'm willing to do.

Bruce Matthews was still kicking ass at 38/39 yrs old. Larry Allen's last great season was 34. Mike Munchak retired after his age 33 season. Will Shields peaked at 33 before retiring at 35.

He would probably still have 2-3 pretty good years in him (Yanda was still excellent through 35; Zack Martin seems to show no signs of slowing down at 32) but that's still a heck of a big investment in a guard.

Toad 07-18-2023 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17020516)
He's going to be exposed no matter what. He's got to see Myles Garret and T.J. Watt twice each.

That makes me smile

O.city 07-18-2023 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17020598)
The good news, such as it is, about the possibility of extending Thuney would be that his contract re-set the market but then the market didn't really explode beyond it.

So yeah, Veach may have overpaid there if 2-3 years later he's still at the top of the market. Lindstrom's deal is pretty insane on paper but realistically it's about 4/$75 million. Nelson's deal is in a similar ballpark.

I dunno - I'm still not sure I'm all that enthusiastic about a $20 million guard and with the cap expansion, that's probably where he'd be headed.

With some of the moves we've made to spread his money out, cutting him next year only gains us about $9 million in cap space - I don't think I'd do that. Then the year after would gain you about $16 million.

For $9 million I keep him. For $16 in found space, it's a closer question. And an extension that starts when he's 34 years old? Eh...not sure that's something I'm willing to do.

Bruce Matthews was still kicking ass at 38/39 yrs old. Larry Allen's last great season was 34. Mike Munchak retired after his age 33 season. Will Shields peaked at 33 before retiring at 35.

He would probably still have 2-3 pretty good years in him (Yanda was still excellent through 35; Zack Martin seems to show no signs of slowing down at 32) but that's still a heck of a big investment in a guard.

I've just kinda come to the conclusion that.....well give me elite players and I'll pay them and move on.

Just not at RB.

Tribal Warfare 07-18-2023 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17020740)
I've just kinda come to the conclusion that.....well give me elite players and I'll pay them and move on.

Just not at RB.

after the Bucs SB, won't **** around rolling the dice anymore with OL talent

Balto 07-18-2023 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17020598)
The good news, such as it is, about the possibility of extending Thuney would be that his contract re-set the market but then the market didn't really explode beyond it.

So yeah, Veach may have overpaid there if 2-3 years later he's still at the top of the market. Lindstrom's deal is pretty insane on paper but realistically it's about 4/$75 million. Nelson's deal is in a similar ballpark.

I dunno - I'm still not sure I'm all that enthusiastic about a $20 million guard and with the cap expansion, that's probably where he'd be headed.

With some of the moves we've made to spread his money out, cutting him next year only gains us about $9 million in cap space - I don't think I'd do that. Then the year after would gain you about $16 million.

For $9 million I keep him. For $16 in found space, it's a closer question. And an extension that starts when he's 34 years old? Eh...not sure that's something I'm willing to do.

Bruce Matthews was still kicking ass at 38/39 yrs old. Larry Allen's last great season was 34. Mike Munchak retired after his age 33 season. Will Shields peaked at 33 before retiring at 35.

He would probably still have 2-3 pretty good years in him (Yanda was still excellent through 35; Zack Martin seems to show no signs of slowing down at 32) but that's still a heck of a big investment in a guard.

I could see an extension that's a little on the team friendly side that makes sure he retires in KC. On those lines Veach would of course have to have either LT or RT on a rookie deal.

After this season give him a 2 year extension that runs out in 2027. With that, Veach also spends our 1st rounder coming up on a OT that signs a 4 year rookie deal and will end the same time Joe's new extension deal ends. Thats when that rookie gets a new contract and Joe falls off the books and of course Veach already has Joe's cheap replacement ready to go!

Pitt Gorilla 07-18-2023 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17020598)
The good news, such as it is, about the possibility of extending Thuney would be that his contract re-set the market but then the market didn't really explode beyond it.

So yeah, Veach may have overpaid there if 2-3 years later he's still at the top of the market. Lindstrom's deal is pretty insane on paper but realistically it's about 4/$75 million. Nelson's deal is in a similar ballpark.

I dunno - I'm still not sure I'm all that enthusiastic about a $20 million guard and with the cap expansion, that's probably where he'd be headed.

With some of the moves we've made to spread his money out, cutting him next year only gains us about $9 million in cap space - I don't think I'd do that. Then the year after would gain you about $16 million.

For $9 million I keep him. For $16 in found space, it's a closer question. And an extension that starts when he's 34 years old? Eh...not sure that's something I'm willing to do.

Bruce Matthews was still kicking ass at 38/39 yrs old. Larry Allen's last great season was 34. Mike Munchak retired after his age 33 season. Will Shields peaked at 33 before retiring at 35.

He would probably still have 2-3 pretty good years in him (Yanda was still excellent through 35; Zack Martin seems to show no signs of slowing down at 32) but that's still a heck of a big investment in a guard.

Agree with all of this. Will also add that he was a brilliant signing by Veach.

Coochie liquor 05-02-2024 07:52 PM

Joe Thuney has more SB wins than any other active player. If he wins one more he will have the second most all time.

Smed1065 05-02-2024 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17508042)
Joe Thuney has more SB wins than any other active player. If he wins one more he will have the second most all time.

So a team friendly 1 year deal? :hmmm:

cdcox 05-02-2024 09:31 PM

Not really interested in a Thuney extension for more than a year.

cmh6476 05-02-2024 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17508042)
Joe Thuney has more SB wins than any other active player. If he wins one more he will have the second most all time.

So after we win 5 in a row. ..

notorious 05-02-2024 10:32 PM

Dude has been phenomenal. He even covered left tackle well.

Hammock Parties 05-02-2024 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 17508127)
Not really interested in a Thuney extension for more than a year.

Mahomes just had his best Super Bowl without him.

We good.

Bump 05-02-2024 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17508042)
Joe Thuney has more SB wins than any other active player. If he wins one more he will have the second most all time.

I think he should be considered for the hall of fame. I would say that and all of his all pro's and being great every single season makes a pretty good resume for it.

ChiefsFanatic 05-03-2024 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17508162)
Dude has been phenomenal. He even covered left tackle well.

His time in KC will forever be undervalued and under-appreciated. He has been so phenomenal that often everyone forgets about the LG position. You can listen to sports talk all week during the season, and his name is probably only mentioned when stating who started.

The radio hosts might bring up his name in the off-season, but his play has been so impeccable that there is no reason to mention him during the season. It sucks, because he doesn't get the recognition he deserves, but, as an offensive linemen, he is probably just fine with that.

Dunerdr 05-03-2024 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065 (Post 17508126)
So a team friendly 1 year deal? :hmmm:

He's already on the team through 25 wtf are you talking about?

PatMahomesIsGod 05-03-2024 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17508165)
Mahomes just had his best Super Bowl without him.

We good.

Eh…..

We scored 25 and needed OT.

tredadda 05-03-2024 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17508165)
Mahomes just had his best Super Bowl without him.

We good.

We don't exactly have Roaf at LT, but have been alright and a lot of that is because of how well Thuney has been at LG. One game isn't reflective of seasons worth of excellent play. He has more than earned the contract they paid him.

Lzen 05-03-2024 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17508303)
We don't exactly have Roaf at LT, but have been alright and a lot of that is because of how well Thuney has been at LG. One game isn't reflective of seasons worth of excellent play. He has more than earned the contract they paid him.

True. At the same time, I think we need to move on after his contract is up. He is getting older and he's really expensive.

tredadda 05-03-2024 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 17508308)
True. At the same time, I think we need to move on after his contract is up. He is getting older and he's really expensive.

Correct. Not saying they should keep him longer than they must, just highlighting how great of a signing that was.

Lzen 05-03-2024 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17508314)
Correct. Not saying they should keep him longer than they must, just highlighting how great of a signing that was.

No doubt. He has been great for us.

BigRedChief 05-03-2024 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 17508426)
No doubt. He has been great for us.

Our cap in 2025 is for shit. Worse one since Mahomes came off his rookie deal. We can save $16 million in cap space if he's cut next year. But...... We also have Trey and Creed up next year. No matter what happens it will be an end of that OLine era post the embarrassment of the Tampa SB.

In58men 05-03-2024 10:42 AM

Dude fell in the laps to two of the best QBs/organizations the NFL has possibly ever seen.

What a career

Wisconsin_Chief 05-03-2024 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by In58men (Post 17508443)
Dude fell in the laps to two of the best QBs/organizations the NFL has possibly ever seen.

What a career

No shit, talk about hitting the jackpot. Dude is going to end up with more Super Bowls than any player ever if he's not careful and sticks around here too long...

alpha_omega 01-17-2025 10:23 PM

LFG!!!


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