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Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)
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The Superbowl SHOULD be the toughest matchups.....#1-2 O vs #1-2 D. It absolutely SHOULD be a contested matchup where big plays and great coaching make the difference.
I don't hate the way the 9ers play ball, but if you think I waited over 40 years to talk shit on super bowl week and then not do it..... |
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We rotate our safeties a bit more and mix in more cover 2 over what we’ve been running under Saleh the last two years, but Tart typically plays the single high safety roll, and Ward our FS is kind of a Swiss Army knife. Against the Rams in the first game, he played man coverage on Cooper Kupp in the slot. Weatherspoon got benched after he gave up the bomb to Diggs last week. He’s struggled badly with confidence the last few weeks. Emmanuel Moseley took his spot, and has played well all year. He filled in for Spoon in the middle of the season when he had a foot injury. The corners often press and bail, but we’ll mix in man or off coverage. I suspect we’ll mix it up against the Chiefs and see if anything sticks. |
Chiefs 69
49ers 0 And you can take that to the BANK!!!! |
On the flipside - might they just be a better version of the 2015 Chiefs?
That team was a game-manager and a creative offensive mind making things work. It was a young Kelce, dynamic Maclin, deep stable of RBs and solid OL that created a good but not great offense. Then a nice set of defenders in Houston, Hali, Poe and Howard making things difficult in the middle with solid coverage that yielded a top 5 defense. Ultimately I think this 49ers team is what we always hoped the 2014 team would be. The problem w/ '13 is that it didn't have the depth of offensive weapons that the 49ers do. And the '15 team was seeing declining returns from guys like Hali, Houston and Poe. But if you'd have combined the '13 teams defensive weapons/depth with the '15 teams offensive style/personnel then you'd have something like this 49ers team. And folks, a combination of the '13 and '15 Chiefs teams could've won a championship but '14 just didn't work out that way for a variety of reasons. Ultimately I think the Chiefs can win this game, but I hope they realize that they can't **** off this time around. |
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If the Chiefs can not step on their own dicks for almost a quarter and actually start the game out with a lead.....then I don’t think it’s going to be that close. But you can’t start out slow a third game in a row and just expect to shut down a team again. Yes I know that shit happened with the Texans and the Titans but the 49ers have an offense that has playmakers on it and a coach that can scheme an offense to beat you. |
And if I had to pick a score based off of this very moment.
Chiefs - 34 49ers - 24 |
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The 49ers excel at outside runs and that's where we're a bit weak.
We've got the beef in the middle to stop dives and other inside runs but our LBs are still slow. |
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Both teams are bound to press a little early, it’s a bunch of dudes playing in their first SB. You hope our team won’t do that, but ultimately someone probably will and it will cost us in some fashion. Same for SF.
Point being, I don’t think KC has to be perfect to win the game. They need to be cleaner in the 1st quarter than the past two weeks, but they don’t have to be flawless. Neither team is going to be. |
I would also come to grips with the fact that Shanahan is probably going to get us defensively with his opening 15 plays. He’s the best there is in that phase of the game.
You hope to hold them to 3 or even 0, but if KC doesn’t keep them out of the end zone, don’t be shocked nor panicked. The strength of this defense is their coaching staff’s ability to adjust. |
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I’m gonna have to hop on game pass and watch the 2018 game soon.
I just wanna see what kind of concepts Andy used to attack Saleh’s scheme. That will tell us where he thinks they can be attacked to some degree. |
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I think we match up well with this team. If our OL wasn't playing well then I'd be worried. But truth is the Niners secondary isn't that great. Mahomes will chew them up. And the long they're on the field the slower the pass rush will become. Their secondary honestly kinda sucks but have benefitted all year off of stellar DL pressure. Not gonna be that easy.
Defensively it's clear the Niner dont wanna have to try to out gun sling Mahomes. Ball control offense but they will take thir shots with guys like Kittle and Sanders. But all in all, in a game like this you go with the better QB. Chiefs have a massive advantage here. And on a side note. Hear a lot about the SF DL and it's annoying. I can almost guarantee you its gonna be OUR DL imposing its will, not theirs. Not that those guys aren't an excellent unit, they are. But when it comes to Mahomes it doesn't always matter. He's so good at escaping and extending plays that a great rush often becomes a great effort because Mahomes still found a way. Jimmy G doesnt really have this ability. And though the Chiefs DL features daunting names such as Suggs, Clark, and Jones, you dont hear much about them. But you see them causing havoc every week. |
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We did a good job of defending the Vikings offense but this 49ers offense has a stronger OL. |
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Another carpetbagging Niner fan incoming. First of all, Congrats on the AFC Title and a great season. This will be the toughest test of the year for both teams which is how it should be. Can't wait! As far as the 49ers 2018 D vs 2019, aside from Bosa and Ford, Lynch added Kwon Alexander and Dre Greenlaw. Also Jimmy Ward was playing out of position at CB and Tartt was out. Other than that, totally the same. |
Key for me for Chiefs’ defense:
Can you take the middle of the field away from Garroppolo, or confuse him enough to create a turnover or two across the middle? It doesn’t look like he throws well outside the hashes, based on the numbers and also some commentary from 49ers reporters. These teams are evenly matched enough for a single turnover/play to turn things. Key for me for the 49ers defense: If they do mix up more looks, how does a team that runs zone 2/3 of the time handle playing more man, or playing more things outside their base zone? Taking a team outside its comfort zone/strength can always be dicey. The fact Richard Sherman doesn’t travel with WRs also presents some interesting matchups/chess game. Suspect we will see Hill lined up in the slot/away from Sherman the entire game, with Robinson lined up outside on Sherman’s side of the field. |
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Aside from personnel, our scheme is a little bit different from 2018. We brought in a DL coach to implement the "wide 9" technique, which caused a few leaks in the running game earlier in the season, but they've tightened up. We also brought in a DB coach to tweak the back end a bit. Stefanski just hired him to be his DC in Cleveland. |
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Gotta catch the ones that Jimmy throws at them.. |
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Garoppolo loves the middle of the field, but part of that is just Shanahan's scheme. When we run go routes, it's mostly to clear out things underneath and put safeties in conflict. We don't really ask our guys to win on the outside on streaks/fades/deep outs. When we throw outside the numbers, it's usually a deep crosser or a deep comeback route. I think Shanahan likes to counter defenders crowding the middle of the field without outside zone runs and floods. Honestly, Jimmy G usually gets into trouble when he holds the ball too long. He's good against the blitz and getting the ball out of his hands quickly. If the coverage is tight, sometimes he's reluctant to take the checkdown. Almost all of his picks have come when he's had time. |
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Yeah Foster was really good, but he was obviously a headcase. Kwon is a much more stable player and better leader. Fred Warner has also grown a lot. That was only his 3rd game as a pro. |
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Yeah, wide 9 is interesting. I expect to see a lot of screen action early in the game to try to exploit that. It’s one of the ways to attack it. It looks like Ford - when he’s not being his typical brokedick self- is primarily playing third downs? I see him listed as the starter but it seems like Bosa and Armstead are the real base/early down guys. |
How has Sorensen filled in for Thornhill?
Is he good in coverage? |
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Ford has primarily played on 3rd/obvious passing downs since coming back from his hamstring injury, but sometimes he'll play on base downs. We rotate a lot on the DL, although we lost our starting nose tackle and a couple backups, so our depth isn't quite as strong as the beginning of the year. |
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I keep seeing 49er fans say Devante Adams got his yards in garbage time. I suppose if you want to call the entire fourth quarter "garbage time" then, yes, he did. |
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The personnel is quite different to be fair. Just looking for a trend here. Expect plenty of screens early to try and slow that rush down. |
Brad Pitt with a shoutout to the Chiefs on the red carpet last night.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brad Pitt is a good sport ������<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SuperBowl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SuperBowl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotWorldSeries?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotWorldSeries</a> <a href="https://t.co/ySELUW8xNI">pic.twitter.com/ySELUW8xNI</a></p>— Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1219073369556959233?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Well, the score was 34-7 in the 4th quarter. It doesn't get much more garbagey than that. Regardless, the Chiefs' playmakers are a different level than Adams. |
Reid started the 2018 matchup with more shifts than I’ve seen us run in probably any first quarter this year.
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Chiefs just ran another screen on the 2nd drive for 17 yards. This is going to be a thing. Doubt they’re as successful though.
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I am not saying it is the same just that we went up against pretty much the same Saleh scheme last year which may help us prepare for it. |
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Chief fans, congrats to your team making the big game. The Chiefs have the most prolific offense I have ever seen. It will be very tough to beat the Cheifs, impossible? No. Just very hard. My niners will have to play perfect. I have faith that Jimmy can play a good game, the big question is can the D slow down the speed of the Chiefs?
My niners went from a pathetic joke to a actual competitor. They went into New Orleans with Jimmy and out shot Drew Brees (who was on fire that day) I'm looking to a great game and of course a niners win(hopefully). |
I see this game going like this.. mahomes will drive the field, but the physical 9er defense will buckle down in the red zone, holding the chiefs to field goals. K.C.'s speed becomes less of a threat in the red zone where the field shrinks, and that physicality of the 49ers will tip the scales in their favor. Finesse teams tend to be flashy between the 20's then stall out before punching it in.
I see the 9ers up 14-10 at halftime, and winning 28 - 24. With the chiefs getting 8 field goals |
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He's very exploitable. They're probably too smart to let that be the case, though. I bet we see a lot of 21 personnel regardless, if the 49ers are sitting in a lot of zone still. That helps the screen game (Reid loves to run screens with action to both sides and use Kelce, and Bell is a good blocker). |
Sorry Chiefs fans, I planned on coming here in peace. I quite like the Chiefs and while we are enemies for the Super Bowl, in my experience Chiefs fans are pretty great and you have a classy organization.
When I see someone wishing and celebrating injuries on people, thats just disgusting to me. I'm sure I'll get banned for the previous post and I understand why, but even watching the Chiefs win I was hoping they'd stay healthy for the big game. |
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Jeff Allen has been freakin’ nails with predictions since he stopped playing and I think he nails the key to the SB outcome here: https://twitter.com/jeffallen71/stat...977249282?s=21
Basically, he says it comes down to Pat having time to throw or not. Says SF can’t cover KCs receivers and I think we can all agree on that. Just give Pat a little time big fellas... |
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As I said, most of my experience with Chiefs fans have been great. |
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You should see some of Clay's comments about Alex Smith if you think what I posted was "disgusting". |
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LMAOLMAOLMAO
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I would play the same design of defense that Spags had done against Tennessee. Stack the box, with a single high S, and trust your secondary to take care of their man.
It has worked for the most part, outside of busted coverages. Make Garapollo beat you. |
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I really should have listened to you guys. John Q Public likes to watch finesse teams on the big stage |
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As for the game, here are my thoughts:
The Chiefs are going to win. Ya'lls offense is just completely absurd and slowing it down is no joke. That said, I'll address some of the narratives I've seen during this thread. "This team lost to the Falcons" The 49ers did lose to the Falcons, but 6 of their 11 starters on defense were injured for that game. Based on the reports I've read, only DJ Jones will be missing the Super Bowl. So it'll be a different team than the one that lost to the Falcons. The other one, and I haven't seen it a ton here, but there is a misconception that Jimmy Garoppolo can't throw the ball. This just isn't true. He is not elite, and certainly not Patrick Mahomes, but he can sling it. He is prone to a mistake or two a game though, but once that mistake happens, he is usually really good after it. The 49ers just haven't asked him to pass the ball in the playoffs, because why would they? They ran it down the throats of the Vikings and Packers. The 49ers typically always go with what is working. I did see someone mention how the 49ers haven't played anyone good this year, I don't understand that comment at all. The 49ers played the 13-3 Packers twice, the Seahawks twice, the Vikings, the Saints, and the Ravens. The 49ers are about as battle tested as they come. The other thing I've seen is Chiefs fans talking about how ya'll stopped Derrick Henry, which is very true, and was impressive. That said, the 49ers run a very different ground attack than the Titans do, its not the same beast as the one you just saw. As I said previously, the Chiefs are probably going to win this game. I think ya'lls offense is too good and the 49ers have struggled against QBs who can get outside of the pocket this year. You also have great pass protection, which will also hurt the 49ers, but by that same token, I don't believe ya'll have faced a DL as good as the Niners either. Ultimately, I think ya'll just have too many weapons and for the 49ers to win, Jimmy G is going to have to outplay Patrick Mahomes, which I just don't see happening. Best of luck though, hope we have an injury free game and may the best team win! |
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Will be interesting to see how loose the refs allow holding/interference in the secondary. Titans and Texans both paid the price for early contact on KC receivers. Will NFL let the Niners get away with that?
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As for the refs who had been told to get the Chiefs to the Super Bowl, I don't buy that one bit at all. Let me put it this way. There were no controversies at all, compared to last year's gaffes in the AFC and NFC championship games. Also, your coach bailed his running game a little too early than he should had. At least he could have improvised the running game with an speedier back to attack the outside edges or do some jet sweeps to loosen up the box. To my recollection, I didn't see much of that. Garopollo doesn't scare me. If San Francisco has a QB that is either Watson, Jackson, or Mahomes, then that's one thing. But they don't. They do have a legit defense, I will give them that, but KC has also faced good defenses as well. |
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What happened against the Saints from your perspective? |
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It's a online message board with thousands upon thousands of posters from all walks of life. Filled with ego and bravado and satire and exaggeration. Don't get so bent out of shape and feel the need to play 'defender of the realm.' It'll make it a lot easier when someone here eventually wishes AIDS upon you or implores you to drink antifreeze. We appreciate your thoughts on the 49ers and your contribution. Stick around. |
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*pats the empty seat next to me* Come on Jeffy Boy, climb aboard! |
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I also think Ford missed most of that game. In the games Ford missed, teams just doubled up on Bosa and our pass rush suffered big time. If you look at our defense in the games we had Ford and Tartt, compared to the ones we didn't, its a night and day difference. Quality of competition also played a factor, but without those two, we were very much a below average defense. |
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Have fun watching the Super Bowl from afar. You won’t come close for another two decades. |
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