Mike Kafka

Whomever Patty Mahomes wants I would wager.

**** MY ANUS I KNOW JUST THE GUY!

(I'd post a pic but I still can't figure out how)
Jason Garrett is available now!

You seem nice.

I wanted Sutton fired in 2017, you ****. Go **** yourself.

You make shit up and copy/paste bullshit from sportswriters that happened 15-20 years ago. You have no opinion and you're too ****ing scared to definitively say, "I want Andy Reid fired."

You're a ****ing vagina. You sit here and predict the worst because of shit you made up like "clock management" and then won't even offer a solution to the problem because that would mean people could laugh at you when you're wrong.

This isn't hard, dipshit. Do you want Reid replaced as head coach next season? If he's the unchangeable idiot whose clock management issues are supposedly insurmountable obstacles to winning a Super Bowl, then ****ing say, "I want Reid fired."

Put it on the line, you pussy.

It's gotten to the point where the guy literally NEEDS the equivalent of a Marcus Allen/Barry Sanders with glue hands to make it happen in any convincing manner. Mahomes is incredible no doubt, but having Hunt( briefly )was God's gift to Reid AND Pat.

To your point on the red zone:
All I know is that prior to Mahomes, the red zone might as well have been the nosebleed section shitter for all the good it was worth. "The field goal quadrant" or "rectangle of rectumology" was as pertinent as a Timex endorsement for the head coach.



He might win one, who the **** knows?( no one on this site for 100%, I can guaran****ingtee THAT. )
I guess it all comes down to who do you want to hope in one hand and shit in the other with.
I wasn't a fan of the hire from day one because to me, it represented the potential return to a "new Marty era" but with an offensive-minded head coach instead.
And I'll be good and goddamned if that isn't EXACTLY what we've reaped thus far.
( and no, that's NOT a good thing )

We're it not for FINALLY drafting a ****ing QB after 30 plus years, I would have written off Clark Hunt, his vision, and his family's football enterprise two years ago without looking back, my only regret too many precious hours of my life wasted.



Dawkins nailed it and I'll take the word of a multi-year Reid player over the emotional gushings of the "Happy Playoff Time Reid m00b-Massaging Association".
I mean how the **** do you coach for that many years at that level and NOT master the details of your craft?! People who take pride in their careers and work don't play that shit. Period.

Yes, yes; no source is ever good enough when it comes to Holy McFatty. We ****ing get it already, thanks.


Dead.
****ing.
Serious:

Who's on the market? Would we have some legit choices?
A cow this mother****er may be, but sacred he is NOT.
Not yet anyway.

How the **** you manage to be a perpetual 12 year old "Ralphie at Christmas" about this team AND Eyeore simultaneously, is absolutely ****ing amazing.
And strange.

Sweet! An eleventy billion word dissertation just to say "Alex sucks".
Next time just say, "Alex sucks".

You get the same candidates everybody else does. Whoever is available and willing right now is an option to you in this hypothetical.

But you said 'at the end of the season', so we'll just have to revisit this. And yeah, I AM bold enough to pull one up from University.

[Sigh]. You know damned well I can't just say "Alex sucks" (which I never said btw, what I said was that Alex didn't play up to his opportunities on that drive).

If I just say "Alex sucks," then you and your Andy-haters club just come back with the same nonsense Jimmy posted, just a non-evidenced-based "feeling" that you and they came up with, and some old article by some ESPN/FOXSports talking head.

To argue against this obstinacy I'm forced to break down a 16-play drive from 2016 to disprove the idea that Andy called that monstrosity because he lacked the situational awareness to know there was only 6 minutes on the clock.

I have to break down these dumb ideas piece by piece in triplicate, before any of you will even try to see reality.

But I'm glad you finally are beginning to see the light. One tiny step for you, one giant leap for Andy-haters on CP.

Andy absolutely lacked the situational awareness. You are arguing against Andy himself. Andy himself defended this drive by saying that it was not too slow and that it was more important to call the right plays than to do it quickly. What the fat tard failed to understand (and still fails to understand) is that he needed to do both since a score is pointless if it takes up pretty much all of the remaining time.

If Andy did not lack the situational awareness, then he could have easily said his same old crap like "We needed to get the ball down the field quicker. That's on me. I'll get it fixed." But no, the idiot defended that drive proving that he still does not get it.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dled-it-right/

Oh for Pete's sake.

What do you think he was going to do? Throw Alex under the bus? He couldn't say "well, we missed some opportunities to get the ball into the EZ quicker," or something similar, because then what he'd really being saying to his own team would be "Alex and the offense folded under pressure." And Andy is never going to throw his QB under the bus. He didn't with McNabb in PHI when it was obvious that Don made bad decisions/throws. Never.

Again, all you have to do is look at the actual drive. Don't look at where Alex throws the ball; look at the play design and see who's open.

See where the the play itself dictates where the ball probably should've gone. Look at the pressure or lack thereof, and see how Alex reacts.

On almost every play there was a much better option than where Alex actually threw the ball. Alex literally bails on the play as designed at least three times on that drive; he never gives the play a chance to develop. And on another play, he bails out to his right when he clearly should've simply stepped up into the pocket to avoid the pressure off the edge.

If Andy meant for that drive to go 16 plays, then why did he even include all of those plays in the first 6 that would've put them on the GL or in the EZ? Why not simply run 16 plays very similar to the 9th play that featured all short comebacks?

Does it make any sense at all to feature 6 plays in a row that create wide open opportunities for receivers at least 20 yards downfield if you really want to matriculate down the field 7 yards at a time?


Put it to you another way. With about 6 minutes left in the game, have you ever heard of a coach say, "lets' take 5 minutes to get a score so we only leave ourselves 1:30 to get the ball back and score again." Ever in the history of football at any level.

Use your eyes, people. Don't take the word of some pundit or believe some coachspeak after the fact.

You absolutely just said that Alex sucks.

In a very, very, very long and roundabout way, but yes indeed you did. And that's quite okay because Alex Smith did, does, and always will suck.

As to this "light" you speak of, the onry right I shee ish oncoming right at eend of tunnel, where "Fatty-Fatty-Boom-Ba-Ratty Express" rhuns ALLLLLLLL ovah Riddle' Cheefy when Ahndee vineesh-a croaching prayoff game!

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't know that I'm Korean.

Oof maybe that Engrish wasn't the best idea SDH

This was NOT coachspeak. I already told you what he could have said. He could have admitted that the drive was a failure without throwing Alex under the bus. He routinely does this by saying that whatever the failure is needs to improve and he will fix it. Same thing here - just say "We took too long to score there (or we need to score more quickly in that situation) and that's on me. I'll get it fixed." That takes responsibility for the failure without throwing the QB under the bus. Andy knows how to do this as it is his trademark.

What is crazy is that Andy actually goes out of his way to defend how long it took to score. This defense was not needed at all to keep from throwing Alex or anyone else under the bus.

Usually, the man takes responsibility even for things that are not his fault. What does it say when he refuses to take responsibility for something like this? It shows that he truly believes that there was nothing wrong with taking that much time, which makes sense because it explains how he can coach for 20 years and still screw up time management.

All these years, I've heard Eagles fans and Chiefs fans say "How can he coach that long and still screw up time management?" The answer is that he doesn't recognize there is a problem and thinks his approach is right even after numerous failures. Let's just hope we beat teams solidly and do not need some great time management on our way to the super bowl this year because there is no way Andy has learned his lesson when he wouldn't even admit the problem.

You're not using your brain.

Think about it. No one designs a 16-play drive.

NO ONE.

Not ever in the history of professional football has anyone ever decided "let's move the ball 4 yards at a time to score."

What you're arguing is that Andy is insane. And the evidence that he wasn't trying to move the ball 4 yards at a time is right there in color on film. All you have to do is watch the tape, and understand how to analyze it.

They've won 11 games/season over his 7 years in KC.

So I guess the problem is that he just doesn't get as many learning opportunities as the other guys...

You people are ****ing idiots. Reid will eventually go down as one of the 5-10 best coaches in NFL history and that will likely be selling him short. The guy is an offensive mastermind, an exceptional teacher/leader and one of the most prepared coaches you'll ever see.

The fact that there are still people who think he's even a merely good head coach is an indictment on this fanbase. The fact that there are people who think he's an actively bad one is an indictment on humanity itself.

And look at the teams he took over!

He's never walked into a truly good situation. He took over a 3-13 Eagles squad and a 2-14 Chiefs team.

He's built those programs.

And I'm supposed to act like Sean Peyton's a superior coach because in 13 seasons with possibly the best pure thrower in NFL history he managed to win a single Super Bowl? Dude goes 7-9 for 3 straight years w/ Brees throwing for 5K yards/season and we're supposed to be polishing his knob?

But Sean McVay!!!!

Yeah, gimme a call in 4 years when he's averaged 8 wins/season over that span and has maybe a single playoff win on his record.

Ludicrous.

Andy has NEVER shit the bed.

He's been a victim of his own success. The dude was out there winning 10+ games with Alex Smith and Donovan McNabb....and those were his BEST quarterbacks. Other times he's out there stealing games with AJ !@#$ing Feeley and the husk of Jeff Garcia. The guy made Kevin Kolb look like someone you should give up a high draft pick for. He had Matt Moore step away from coaching high school football to go throw for throw with Aaron Rodgers.

His BEST QBs were average as ****. Neither of them would've amounted to much of anything in this league but/for Andy Reid. Especially McNabb (dude was incredibly inaccurate). And all he's ever done is go win football games.

If he'd have just gotten out of those scrubs what their talent says they should've been, he's essentially Jeff Fisher and puts up a 20 year resume of .500 football. But because he's as good as he is, the expectations surrounding his teams get heightened and when they fail it's because "Andy's a fat idiot" and not because they were only in that position due to his excellence in the first place.

Idiots. So many idiots.

Indy game.

I know injuries hurt the team but Andy failed to do exactly what people now criticize him for doing - he didn't milk the clock when he no longer had the personnel to trade punches. At that point he needed to hang on like grim death and just hope to get to zeroes.

He didn't. He tried to keep playing it straight up.

Idiots around here say nonsensical crap like "You keep playing like the score is 0-0!!!" and it's just asinine. You get up 3 scores...PLAY LIKE YOU'RE UP 3 SCORES! The goal is to win the damn football game, not win it by 24. If Andy had treated that Colts game in Indy like they had a massive lead, they win it pretty easily. Instead he's got Smith out there firing deep wheel routes to Cyrus Gray and what not.

Andy screwed that game up. But other than that (and I've broken this shit down drive by drive on several occasions on this board, including the asinine complaints over the Patriots loss in Foxborough several years ago), Reid's been damn good.

Reid it is then.

I appreciate what you and megatron are doing, I really do. But you're arguing with idiots and you know that they're idiots. I'm not sure what you are expecting at this point, honestly.

This.

Unless the Chiefs win a SB under Reid, Reid will always suck to some of the idiots here.

And then even if they do win a SB under Reid, some of these morons will still stick to the narrative that they won in spite of him.

Facts are useless.

I will say, though, that I also appreciate the documentation that DJ and Megatron are providing. My hope would be that, in the future, we can simply link to these posts.

And the Fat Andy Lovers will love him no matter what.. Turn it to the Will Cain show.. They are doing some Reid bashing as we type...im sure that will break your heart.

You're right. And I know you're right. I probably look like an even bigger idiot than these twits do just because I'm trying to get them to use their brains, instead of believing what a bunch of talking heads say on some show that measures success based on how edgy their takes can be.

I'm done. I really have better things to do than arguing with a baboon's ass . . . two of them is even more dumb.

Outie.

He is appreciated for what he has accomplished..you know doing what he is paid to do.
He will get more appreciation when he wins the superbowl. Coached a really long time and it hasn't happened........YET! This year looks fairly promising.

Well, there's one job available. The Cleveland Browns. You can probably expect them to hire Detroit's assistant LB coach or some crap like that.

So let's just say in the case of this hypothetical that all the dudes accepting interviews with teams (Bieniemy, both Baltimore coordinators, that SF guy, etc.) and any wildcards you think would stand a reasonable chance of accepting an NFL HC job (no, Cowher's not coming back) are available for your potential selection. That includes Urban and any other rumored college guys. Hell, go nuts. If you're a huge fan of Tampa's offensive coordinator (no clue who that is) even though he isn't getting any looks, feel free to put him on the list.

Except Detroit's assistant LB coach. You can't have him. He belongs to Cleveland.

It's not about "loving him no matter what" or "breaking your heart." It's about understanding what he does/has done as the head coach. That's, literally, it.

I love the way this guy writes and gets his points across. One of my favorite CPers. :thumb:

As I've stated before, when we win the SB, they will still find something to bitch about. Losers bitch and winners get results.

They just want love and attention...and this is how they get it.

You need to use your brain as well. I understand some people have gone way overboard in attacking Andy and you feel the need to strongly defend him, but this is something that cannot be defended. What you are trying to do is rewrite history. I'll admit that Andy reid does some brilliant things and is mostly a great coach, but he has some flaws (particularly with time management) - flaws that are fatal to super bowl hopes most of the time - and you can't just gloss over these well-documented flaws and rewrite history just because we are feeling good about our chances right now or because you want to strongly defend him to some people who have gone overboard in criticizing him. If I can admit he does some brilliant things, why can't you admit that he has a flaw with time management?

Think about it this way - a 2 minute drill is something that should be planned and practiced BEFORE the game. So when's it's game time, you do not have to think about it as much and can do it quickly. Do you think it's likely that they practiced 2 minute drills before the game where they advanced the ball quickly and then when it was game time, they just decided to do the opposite and take 16 plays? No.

What happened is that they did not go into a 2 minute drill (even though there were more than 2 minutes left, it was effectively 2 minute drill time since we needed 2 scores). They did not go into an effective 2 minute drill mode because Andy had to call the perfect plays even if it took more time. He admitted this!

And surprise, surprise - it's NOT an isolated incident (Hello super bowl failure!).

So add the pieces together - Andy has a long reputation for mismanaging the clock, it's not an isolated incident (it even goes back to other QBs before Alex), and most importantly he admitted that he thought this was the right thing. There is a long-term pattern of this and he admitted he wanted it like this. C'mon.

Even if Andy had hoped that Alex would step up and make bigger plays, he was perfectly happy to accept what happened and he was perfectly happy with it for years with Alex. If it bothered him that Alex did not run the 2 minute drill like he wanted, don't you think he would have coached Alex to do it like he wanted or made some kind of change over the years? Remember, Andy said Alex was the perfect QB for his offense. Also, this same pattern started well before Alex Smith was Andy's QB. How hard would it have been to tell Alex, "I know you are cautious and don't want to throw INT's but in this situation, you need to take shots down the field b/c if we take 16 ****ing plays to score, you might as well throw the damn INT b/c we're going to lose anyway!"

For the bulk of Andy's career, McNabb and Alex Smith have been his QB's. If they were incapable of running the offense like Reid wanted and if what you are saying is true that it was the QB who didn't execute and caused the long drive, then Reid is even dumber than I thought for sticking with an incapable QB for so many fruitless years. Your argument, if true, is an even bigger indictment on Reid.

I wasted 5 secs of my life reading this nonsense. Where do I get a refund?

I just assume everyone I talk with on this site is a 48 year old white male.

This simply is not true and it is not just our fanbase. Ask any Eagles fan and they will tell you that Andy is a solid coach who will get you to respectability but has flaws that make it extremely difficult to get over the hump. I'm not one of the people saying he is a terrible coach - i think he's mostly good - but I'm not sure why so many are trying to paper over his well-documented flaws.

I think you would be in the minority of most NFL fans in claiming Andy is a top 5-10 coach of all time. I'm not sure he is even top 5 in the NFL right now. I'd take Belichick, Reich, Shanahan, Pederson, and maybe even Harbaugh over Andy (it's probably about even with Harbaugh).

Yes, I realize some of those coaches are Reid disciples, but this makes sense b/c as I've said, Andy is mostly a great coach with the exception of a couple flaws that tend to be fatal to super bowl hopes. If you can find coaches who have trained under Andy and learned the good traits and who can correct the flaws, then that leaves you with a pretty good coach.

I do agree with you on Payton, by the way. He coached an awful game this weekend and has been mediocre for years.

So Andy's flawless with time management and doesn't have a history of blowing big games with poor management?

Again, I'm not one of the people saying that he's a bad coach, but i can admit his flaws.

I think you have the wrong guy/post. Actually on your side. It's the Three Stooges in this thread that owe me money. :)

So, you’re an Eagles fan?

Andy really needs to at least get us to a Super Bowl in the next 3 years. He’s got the best QB in the world and he now has a quality defense.

There is nothing holding him back now. He’s got everything he needs.

And I think he’ll get us there

Props to you. I only read everything in caps, and I still don't agree with whatever it was.

Sorry, yeah, quoted the wrong guy.

Andy is, like all humans, flawed.

He's also a TREMENDOUS football coach. Teacher. Leader of men.

He's not perfect. But he's EXCEPTIONAL.

Those that would argue otherwise are ****ing stupid.

If he runs the ball, and it gets stuffed while he's trying to kill the clock?

DAMMIT ANDY!

If he passes the ball, but it's incomplete and the drive sputters and we give the ball back with too much time

DAMMIT ANDY!

This conversation is ****ing stupid.

So you're argument is that Andy should've pulled Alex from that game in 2016 after Alex screwed up the first 6 plays?

You're take is completely reeruned. Stop replying to my posts.

Couldn’t agree more.

No. I am chiefs fan who lived in Philadelphia for most of my life so most of my friends and family are eagles fans. As a result, I've watched just about every game Andy reid has ever coached in his career.

I was never an eagles fan because i did not believe I should cheer for a team based on where i live so i just went with what got me interested in the sport to begin with and what I liked, and for football, that was joe montana. he was my idol when I was kid. i would VHS tape record the games and try to throw just like him.

When the Niners betrayed him by making him lose his job due to injury, I followed him over to the chiefs and have been a fan ever since.

What's completely reeruned is you posing a question to me and simultaneously telling me to stop replying to your posts. I'm sure you'd love to just keep whitewashing history and pretending that Andy reid's clock management has never been a problem without anyone to check your inaccurate (according to andy reid himself) arguments.

My argument is that Andy should have had the team prepared to do a proper 2 minute drill where Alex takes some shots further down the field because we can't afford a 16 play drive. If Alex refused to do that, then he should have found a different QB. Of course all of that should have been figured out and planned out way earlier and not in the middle of the 2nd round of the playoffs against the patriots.

So that time management failure on that drive actually goes back way before that one game. Proper time management in that situation is something that should have been planned and practiced numerous times before that situation came up in new england, but Andy failed on that count b/c he couldn't be bothered to have his players rush his precious plays.

I've admitted that Andy is mostly a brilliant coach, can you admit that he has a flaw with time management that has bitten him multiple times?

My question was rhetorical, dipstick. Look it up.

I did exactly that. I went back and actually watched the ****ing 16-play drive that was referenced by some talking head on ESPN. I broke it down, and found obvious issues with Alex's decision-making given who was open and when. I made that available above.

Point of fact: Andy's first six plays in that drive should've gotten the Chiefs inside the 5-yard line or scored, with over 4:30 minutes remaining in the game.

But Alex didn't execute the plays properly even with good protection. Just how is that Andy's fault?

Only a reerun coach or someone like yourself would've pulled Alex in that exact moment. You know, the AFC Divisional Round game?

And apparently you have no idea how games are game-planned between a coach and a QB.

Because anyone who's paid even a little attention to how that's done knows that the Coach and the QB get together the week before the game and they go over the plan and practice the plays in that plan. They also practice two-minute drills for THE ENTIRE SEASON, YOU DOPE.

Alex had his choice of plays to install for that game the week prior and practiced them until they both agreed that those were the plays they wanted to use in the game if that situation came up. Just like any other NFL football team with a better than stupid coach.

In other words, your argument that Andy didn't understand time management in that situation doesn't hold any water at all.

And never mind that Andy has proven several times in this season alone that he can execute a 2-minute drill to perfection (see Lions game, Viking game, etc.), so long as the QB executes the plays properly. But we should refer to whatever happened in a game 10 years ago before Reid was even in KC?

Damn, you don't even understand how game-planning/weekly practice works . . . why am I talking to you?

You basically act like like andy is perfect and any criticism is way off base. Maybe if you try to have a normal conversation without calling names and acting like a jerk, you might realize we are more on the same side than you think. I'm not an Andy-hater but to deny any flaw is ridiculous and child-like.

You're just not getting what I'm saying and you're actually proving my point with your "argument." First, you say Alex didn't execute and that's not andy's fault, but what i'm saying is that the "execution" should have been coached ahead of time. Andy should have coached Alex to take shots in those situation BEFORE those situations came up. That way, Alex can't dink and dunk down the field when we need to score quickly.

Then, you go on to prove my point when you talk about "game-planning." If andy and alex got together and practiced the plays for those types of situations, that means Andy didn't do a good job bc the team needed to score quickly and they did the opposite of that.

Do you really think that Andy and Alex practiced the 2 minute drill all damn season and executed it great in practice and then in the new england game, he just did the complete opposite of what he was supposed to do? That makes no damn sense.

If that's what happened, then Andy should have gotten rid of alex a long time ago b/c this was not an isolated incident. How about with Mcnabb? Do you think andy practiced a sterling 2 minute drill moving swiftly down the field all the time only for mcnabb to do the complete opposite in the super bowl?

What are the odds that Andy keeps getting QBs that practice the 2 minute drill perfectly and then do the exact opposite in a big game? Or, do you think it might be that Andy coached it that way since it keeps happening with different QBs and since Andy has admitted that he thinks this is the proper way to handle those situations? Think about that.

Also, you never answered my question - can you just admit that Andy has a flaw with time management that has bitten him numerous times in big games? B/c that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying he is terrible. If you stop acting like a douche calling me a reerun every post, then we might have been able to find common ground b/c I mostly agree that Andy is a good coach. All I did was point out that there is a pretty big flaw with him, but the problem is that you have to act like he's perfect and no criticism of him is legit and then name call someone who thinks there's a flaw and try to whitewash all the example of the flaw. Is andy reid flawless? Is there any damn flaw you would admit to?

I'm getting tired of this "debate" as well. If you can't admit one lousy obvious flaw in andy's coaching, then there is no point in conversing, especially with someone who just keeps calling me names even while he's proving my point.

We love you big Red. Thanks for coming in and removing that Pioli and Co stink.
Those that made the Andy Reid will be like the guy from the Kool-Aid commercial jokes should be chugging that Red Kool-Aid.

Alex choked. It happens. I've had students perform well in practice then shit the bed when the real deal happens. I'd guess at least 10-20% of students/rookie performers execute poorly in spite of good practice performance their first time in real life situations.

And I have been critical of Andy Reid before, most recently and specifically the Titans game. Though I was also critical of the offense at points, the defense, and STs in that game as well.

However . . .

Your take here is asinine. You in fact have absolutely no proof other than a coachspeak blurb after the fact that Andy meant to call that 16-play drive. Which no coach in that situation would ever call in the history of the league.

And Andy didn't say that he wanted that drive to last 16 plays. What he said was that he didn't want to press and create a situation where the team might try to do too much. Which is the same thing as saying, "we weren't executing properly, so I dialed things back some."

And you refuse to analyze the actual drive or any of these supposed drives for yourself, play-by-play and see for yourself what happened. That speaks volumes as to your football intelligence and analytical capabilities on the subject of Andy Reid/Alex Smith/whoever.

Look, go ahead and believe the pundits/talking heads if that's your flavor. Go along with whatever those guys say and never look at the data/evidence for yourself. Of course, that makes you just as likely to be right as Skip Bayless/Marcellus Wiley/Jason Whitlock/etc. but knock yourself out.

Well...

At least you didn't become a Chiefs fan because the Niners betrayed Alex Smith. I guess it's an improvement around here.

Yes, there's a big difference between making the greatest QB ever lose his job b/c of injury and average alex smith losing his.

I also thought I remembered a few other members here who came over with Montana in 93.

I like Andy Reid. I like Megatron because he's Korean and apparently drinks copiously and is a lot of fun at CP gatherings. I'm nearly certain Andy Reid will win a Super Bowl in the next few years. Life is good for Chiefs fans, gentlemen. We can largely thank Andy Reid for that, Super Bowl or not.

Thats the most frustrating thing about Reid. Hes a good coach. Not great. Great coaches coach the entire team, not chill on the bench with the qb when the defense is out there getting their shit pushed in.

Brilliant offensive mind, but with the regularity in every season when he just pulls the most epic display of pant shitting ever and costs us games in situations where a NOVICE Madden player has a better grasp of time management, pllay selection, and win condition.

20 plus years, youd think the pant shitting would be minimal, but he never fails to give Reidtard his time in the sun.

If the Chiefs somehow fail to win it all, Id bet good money that a FULL REIDTARD moment of just the most unfathomable stupidity on his part will be to blame.

Easy there, cowboy, I'm taken.

If he doesn't get it this year, will he go down as the best NFL head coach to never win a SB?

No, like when we had the league's leading rusher, and an 18 point second half lead, and Hunt and our RBs had a total of 11 rushing attempts for the game. We ran the ball 14 times in that home playoff loss to the Titans, and 2 were Smith scrambles and one was a screen to Hill that was ruled a backward pass.

Again, we lost an 18 point second half lead, in the playoffs, at Arrowhead, and the RB who led the NFL in rushing yards was not a part of the game plan going in, and still wasn't a part of the offense after building that lead.

Why is it that Reid apologists just can't seem to admit that he Reid habitually loses in the playoffs and it's usually because he didn't even try to run the ball. I get that he is a fantastic regular season coach, and he has been great in KC, but at some point his patented "We will learn from this loss and get better" bullshit lie he tells every time he loses a playoff game (or regular season game in which we lose because of his coaching) has to go.

Hopefully, Mahomes will be Reid-Proof in his second playoff run of his career.

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We possesed the ball 3 TIMES in the second half.

3.

In the first drive, Butker missed a FG that effectively ices the game. In the 2nd Smith puts a pass right into Charles chest that he just flat drops that would've continued the drive on 3rd down and PROBABLY effectively iced the game. In the 3rd Smith simply missed a throw to Albert Wilson that puts us in a position to kill clock and at WORST kick a FG to allow the Chiefs to take the lead.

Blaming Reid for the Titans game requires you to completely check your brain at the door. The Chiefs defense got moved off the field; completely dominated. And there's just very little Reid could've done to prevent that that he wasn't attempting. They were throwing the kitchen sink at Derrick Henry and it just didn't matter.

As for "WHY DIDN"T HE RUN THE BALL!!!" -- again, pay attention. The 1st drive had 2 runs, the 2nd of which was a 1st down run by Hunt for -1 yards that put them behind the sticks on 2nd. The second play was an attempt to get Hill on space on an easy pitch/catch that would maybe break open but at worst doesn't take you out of FG range, it was caught and acted the same as a run in terms of running the clock. The 3rd play a little scramble on 3rd and long that AGAIN ran the clock.

The 2nd drive started with 2 completed passes (both kept the clock running) 2 straight runs and then on 3rd down a VERY good play design where Orson Charles simply dropped the !@#$ing ball; a ball that most offensive linemen catch.

By the 3rd drive the Titans had the lead and 'running the clock' was no longer a concern.

In other words, nothing you said has any merit. At all. Literally not one single damn thing you said made any sense. It's ****ing reeruned and clearly someone who's parroting a narrative without ANY research into whether it makes sense.

Please explain away Reid's 28 point collapse in Indy. I needed a good laugh this morning, and you certainly provided it.

Well apart from the fact that I specifically referenced the Indy game as the one time in Reid's career where he clearly ****ed up, I guess you'd be on to something.

But hey, great job side-stepping the substance of the discussion. Please do let me know how Andy Reid 'mismanaged' the 2nd half of that Titans game.

One of these Andy Lovers may actually be Andy Reid... That would be awesome.....

I’m curious if all these clock management hawks can name some coaches who are considered to be good at clock management.

I don’t care who you are. You coach long enough in this league, you’re bound to get embarrassed by making poor decisions on game day that wind up as losses.

Bill Belichick has had a couple in the past two years. Mike Tomlin, too.

Oh, it’s only about results? Cool. If/when Andy delivers a Super Bowl to KC, will you fools finally shut the **** up about it?

Hell, I would shut up about it if people just stopped acting like andy is flawless and would at least admit that this is a weakness for him instead of trying to rewrite history to make it look like he's never had a problem with this issue. I know that's not everyone here - just a couple particular posters.

You're absolutely right though that eventually any coach will look stupid if he coaches long enough. Off the top of my head, I don't remember Pederson, Reich, or Shanahan egregiously mismanaging the clock to blow a big game, but of course they have not been coaching half as long as reid has. Even though belichick has screwed up, i don't remember him doing it in a big game and blowing a shot at the super bowl because of it. Same with harbaugh who has made some dumb decisions, but i don't remember any that cost them a shot at a super bowl. Also, belichick, pederson, and harbaugh have won super bowls so they have proven that their flaws are not fatal to winning a super bowl. Andy has not proven this.

So to answer your question, it kind of is about results b/c with Andy, the stupid decisions always seem to come at the worst time in the big games. As i said before, it's a flaw he has and unfortunately, this particular flaw seems to be fatal to super bowl hopes most of the time.

I think eventually he will win a super bowl despite this flaw, but who knows - Marty had a similar situation with being a great coach with a couple flaws and those flaws were fatal to his super bowl hopes. The whole situation just makes me very nervous and i have mixed feelings about it. One one hand I'd be more comfortable with one of the other coaches I've referenced being in charge given andy's playoff history, but on the other, Andy is due and history has shown that if you are a good coach for long enough, eventually you will win a super bowl (with some exceptions) despite some flaws. I think we have a great chance of making that happen this year so i'm optimistic yet realistic in realizing that Andy's flaws could very well blow it again.

Nobody is doing that dipshit. Go back to whatever hell hole you climbed out of.

Here's another douche who can't have a simple conversation without calling people names. You must missed the entire debate I had with megatron where he refused to acknowledge that Andy has had a problem with time management. It's the only reason I jumped into this thread b/c people were going back to previous years to try to defend stupid andy moments and argue against andy's own words. Try paying attention and let me get back to trying to have a rational discussion with SNR.

I have had many conversation with people without calling them dipshits, but unfortunately for me I've read your posts dipshit.

Andy can't call the plays and throw it too. Alex Smith is your answer here.

So I'm having a conversation with another poster and you for some reason feel the need to jump in the conversation, but instead of just posting how you disagree with me, you feel the need to just call me a dipshit? You must be pretty insecure in your views and must have felt pretty threatened by my views to lash out that way.

I don't get it. why even jump into this conversation when you're just name-calling and not adding anything of substance? You're way too defensive and must be compensating for something else or taking something else out on me. Try discussing the issue like a normal civil human being or just don't jump in. you've been a worthless waste of time who has added nothing to this thread.

Mega wasn't doing this, and Mega isn't "people". The only people being one track minded and spewing nonsense are the irrational haters.

I disagree. He went back years ago and dissected a 16 play drive play by play to try to prove that andy was not at fault for mismanaging the timing of plays in that game and then argued the opposite of what andy himself said about the drive. It was so revisionist and incorrect that I had to jump in to disagree. Also, others posted their support of his arguments so it was "people."

So it seems we disagree about what went down. maybe we can leave it at that and move on from the name-calling. I'm not one of the irrational haters you reference so we'll probably end up agreeing on a variety of other topics.

Or, and hear me out on this, go to the "Andy Reid sucks" or whatever thread and post your nonsense there. This is, literally, the "appreciation" thread.

I've been a huge fan of Reid since Clark wouldn't take no for an answer to hire him. I don't think we could have done any better selecting our coach and at this point I would say he probably is a lifelong Chief. Nothing but love bad clock management and all!

I guess its all about what you want out of your team. If simply having an exciting, competitive team is enough for you, then yes, Andy Reid, and also Marty Schottenheimer were dream coaches.

However, if you want more than that, then you will understand the negativity and criticisms that come flying when Andy falls short just as he did all those years in Philly.

Better Job, look In the mirror, that shit hasnt changed anything. Eventually, this guy can get I done, or he can't.

Its just a matter of how many years of Mahomes career do you want to roll the dice on a dude who just keeps faceplanting in the same fashion.

I want a Superbowl. If Andy delivers, then yes. I will silence my harsh criticisms. But until he does that, and his weaknesses continue to remain a stumbling block keeping the team from immortality, im gonna talk shit when he shits his pants in a moment a ten year old could've figured out playing Madden.

As noted above, and several times already in this thread, this is not the "Andy Sucks" thread. Take your pals Jimmy and Limpwrist17 and their nonsense over there.

JFC, the Chiefs were an offsides penalty from playing in the Super Bowl last year during Mahomes' first year as a starter and are primed for another viable run this year in the playoffs.

You continue to showcase yourself as a mouth-breathing dumbshit with consistently terrible takes, congrats.

It's bad when even Trent Green says "maybe Andy can exercise the demons this year."... It's like we're all waiting for it to happen. :(

You're in the wrong thread.