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O.city 02-22-2018 02:11 PM

Draft and develop your own WR's. Andy has done it a lot, it'll happen more with a more aggressive QB.

I'd maybe take a flyer on a low end WR but meh to spending big money there.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13430301)
Sheldon Richardson is expected to hit FA:

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2018/02/...wilson-chiefs/

Would you please stop linking to fan boy sites?

JFC.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13430302)
Draft and develop your own WR's. Andy has done it a lot, it'll happen more with a more aggressive QB.

I'd maybe take a flyer on a low end WR but meh to spending big money there.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing but the Eagles just won the Super Bowl with 2 free agent starting WR's.

O.city 02-22-2018 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430322)
I'm not necessarily disagreeing but the Eagles just won the Super Bowl with 2 free agent starting WR's.

Yeah, but I think that's more outlier than anything. Plus it's not like Torrey Smith was a big role type guy there.

Jeffrey was good though.

If they wanna go big for a WR, I won't be mad. I just think it's money spent better elsewhere.

Couch-Potato 02-22-2018 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430300)
Clearly, you don't watch or understand football.

JFC.

Well, which do you prefer and why? I've seen a lot of guys on here champion Conley or Wilson on CP, we took notice when Robinson and Mahommes showed some chemistry. They're each pretty good, but none of them have done anything special yet and fanbases across the NFL are not exactly clamoring for their services.

RunKC 02-22-2018 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430322)
I'm not necessarily disagreeing but the Eagles just won the Super Bowl with 2 free agent starting WR's.

They redid like half their team. I don’t think we've Seen such an impressive offseason by a GM like this in a long time.

Nick Foles
LaGarrette Blount
Jay Ayaji
Alshon Jeffrey
Torrey Smith
Derek Barnett
Chris Long
Timmy Jernigan
Rasul Douglas
Ronald Darby
Patrick Robinson
Corey Clement

I’m wondering if Veach might take an approach like this

O.city 02-22-2018 02:27 PM

The signings like Chris Long are what the Chiefs need to hit on. Low cost effective players. Obviously.

RunKC 02-22-2018 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13426809)
If/when Albert Wilson leaves and we want a new FA to replace him, I’d look at Bruce Ellington. More athletic version of Wilson who should be very cost effective

Interesting note: the Chiefs put in a waiver claim for Bruce Ellington when he was released.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13430350)
The signings like Chris Long are what the Chiefs need to hit on. Low cost effective players. Obviously.

Well, keep in mind that Chris Long had already earned more than $70 million dollars before signing a cheap deal with the Patriots, in which he won a Super Bowl, and with Philly, with whom he won a Super Bowl. Plus, he donated his 2017 salary to charity.

Guys like that are far and few between.

O.city 02-22-2018 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430374)
Well, keep in mind that Chris Long had already earned more than $100 million dollars before signing a cheap deal with the Patriots, in which he won a Super Bowl, and with Philly, with whom he won a Super Bowl.

Guys like that are far and few between.

Yeah, but just guys that are under the radar pass rushers.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13430376)
Yeah, but just guys that are under the radar pass rushers.

It's somewhat interesting that the Eagles chose not to re-sign Connor Barwin, who went to the Rams, but signed Long on a fairly cheap deal.

Their 2017 numbers are almost identical. Same number of sacks (5 each).

O.city 02-22-2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430378)
It's somewhat interesting that the Eagles chose not to re-sign Connor Barwin, who went to the Rams, but signed Long on a fairly cheap deal.

Yeah, interesting.

I think guys like Galette are set up to provide some good value with having to pay them less, if they'll take it.

Older pass rusher seems to be a good place to find value if you have enough other guys that they don't have to play a lot.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13430382)
Older pass rusher seems to be a good place to find value if you have enough other guys that they don't have to play a lot.

And yet Veach passed on James Harrison and Dwight Freeney.

That, coupled with Hali's age and awful ROI may signal that he's just not interested in older pass rushers.

O.city 02-22-2018 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430385)
And yet Veach passed on James Harrison and Dwight Freeney.

That, coupled with Hali's age and awful ROI may signal that he's just not interested in older pass rushers.

True.

And **** they could have helped in the playoffs.

Basically anything to get Zombo off the field I'm good with. The front 7 needs remade a lot.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13426809)
If/when Albert Wilson leaves and we want a new FA to replace him, I’d look at Bruce Ellington. More athletic version of Wilson who should be very cost effective

He's an RFA coming off of hamstring surgery

RunKC 02-22-2018 03:02 PM

https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...mpression=true

Interesting article. Bad FA class should lead to more trades. We got Ragland and Erving last year.

Wonder if Veach would trade one of our 3rd rd picks for a young proven player?

Mother****erJones 02-22-2018 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13430400)
https://amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...mpression=true

Interesting article. Bad FA class should lead to more trades. We got Ragland and Erving last year.

Wonder if Veach would trade one of our 3rd rd picks for a young proven player?

I’d keep these picks because we’re already limited in draft choices. But I trust Veach in trades. He’s crushed it so far.

BryanBusby 02-22-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430378)
It's somewhat interesting that the Eagles chose not to re-sign Connor Barwin, who went to the Rams, but signed Long on a fairly cheap deal.

Their 2017 numbers are almost identical. Same number of sacks (5 each).

Barwin was an odd fit in the Eagles D after they switched to Scwartz, which is why they let him walk for a betterfit with a guy like Long.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13430460)
I’d keep these picks because we’re already limited in draft choices. But I trust Veach in trades. He’s crushed it so far.

Not really.

As it currently stands, the Chiefs have a 2, 3, 3, 4, 6, 7, 7, 7.

They’ll get a Comp Pick for Foles, too.

O.city 02-22-2018 03:52 PM

IF big if, they could get Richardson and he's the badass Sheldon, it'd be awesome.

Mother****erJones 02-22-2018 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430478)
Not really.

As it currently stands, the Chiefs have a 2, 3, 3, 4, 6, 7, 7, 7.

They’ll get a Comp Pick for Foles, too.

Eh, 3 7s are a total crap shoot. I more or less was taking about rounds 2-4 since we don’t have a first

Mother****erJones 02-22-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13430491)
IF big if, they could get Richardson and he's the badass Sheldon, it'd be awesome.

Reid’s son will have his hands full motivating Richardson and Jones.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13430502)
Eh, 3 7s are a total crap shoot. I more or less was taking about rounds 2-4 since we don’t have a first

Three 7's can be packaged up to move up in the draft or used on a Punter or on guys the Chiefs like so much that they don't want to risk losing as Undrafted Free Agents to other teams.

Multiple 6th and 7th round picks can be extremely helpful in building the roster, especially for Special Teamers.

Chargem 02-22-2018 04:15 PM

Thought I read somewhere else on here a lot of the 7th round conditional picks won't actually happen.

DaneMcCloud 02-22-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13430491)
IF big if, they could get Richardson and he's the badass Sheldon, it'd be awesome.

Richardson hasn’t had a double digit sack season since 2015 and his numbers are rapidly declining.

I highly doubt Richardson ends up with the Chiefs but if he does, it’s gonna be on a tiny “Prove It” deal and I doubt he can even prove it at this stage.

Chief Northman 02-22-2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430591)
Richardson hasn’t had a double digit sack season since 2015 and his numbers are rapidly declining.

I highly doubt Richardson ends up with the Chiefs but if he does, it’s gonna be on a tiny “Prove It” deal and I doubt he can even prove it at this stage.

Seattle likely tags him.

Mother****erJones 02-22-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman (Post 13430594)
Seattle likely tags him.

No they aren’t

Red Dawg 02-23-2018 06:53 AM

I will never understand how the hell Denver vcan pay so many players over 10 mil and have no cap issues. Two WRs and two dbs get over 10 mil per year. Von gets 20 mil and they are talking big money for Kirk. How can they do that and still keep the players they have?

RunKC 02-23-2018 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 13431492)
I will never understand how the hell Denver vcan pay so many players over 10 mil and have no cap issues. Two WRs and two dbs get over 10 mil per year. Von gets 20 mil and they are talking big money for Kirk. How can they do that and still keep the players they have?

They got guys on deals bc of Manning. Apparently Sanders, Talib and Wolfe are all getting cut.

O.city 02-23-2018 11:30 AM

Avery Williamson would be a nice signing. Only 25 and had a good year

thegame214 02-23-2018 04:56 PM

Jimmy Sexton, Dontari Poes agent, was telling my staff today how bad Poe wants back to KC. Hopefully we could work something out?

mcaj22 02-23-2018 05:13 PM

So now that the Chiefs created an unnecessary need at CB, who looks good. Kyle Fuller? Aaron Colvin?

The Franchise 02-23-2018 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13433406)
So now that the Chiefs created an unnecessary need at CB, who looks good. Kyle Fuller? Aaron Colvin?

Fuller, Butler or Melvin.

NJChiefsFan 02-23-2018 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13430385)
And yet Veach passed on James Harrison and Dwight Freeney.

That, coupled with Hali's age and awful ROI may signal that he's just not interested in older pass rushers.

I thought the chiefs were going to interview Harrison but he went straight to ne. Seemed like he passed on us, not the other way around.

DaneMcCloud 02-23-2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 13433462)
I thought the chiefs were going to interview Harrison but he went straight to ne. Seemed like he passed on us, not the other way around.

I never heard about or read that story.

We do know that the Chiefs didn’t out in a Waiver Claim for him.

KChiefs1 02-23-2018 05:40 PM

Need a CB now.

Couch-Potato 02-23-2018 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 13433488)
Need a CB now.

Wont find a better one

staylor26 02-24-2018 11:29 AM

I’m all in on getting Kyle Fuller.

Titty Meat 02-24-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13435284)
I’m all in on getting Kyle Fuller.

Me too Los Pollos

The Franchise 02-24-2018 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13435284)
I’m all in on getting Kyle Fuller.

At least Sutton won’t know when they move around to different WRs.

T-post Tom 02-24-2018 12:13 PM

Tahir Whitehead says he can play 3-4 or 4-3. Great run stopping LB. FA from Lions. Not great in coverage but improving. (Besides, we have Justin Houston for that.) :) Has played both middle and outside linebacker. Price should be affordable and better than most of KC's current LBs.

ILChief 02-24-2018 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13433654)
Wont find a better one

Obviously. There may not be a better one on the planet.

NJChiefsFan 02-24-2018 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13433470)
I never heard about or read that story.

We do know that the Chiefs didn’t out in a Waiver Claim for him.

I can't be positive. Maybe you are right.

Couch-Potato 02-24-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13435284)
I’m all in on getting Kyle Fuller.

Yup

Easy 6 02-24-2018 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13433422)
Fuller, Butler or Melvin.

I wouldnt mind Trumaine Johnson either, dudes only 28... gives us two years before the dreaded 30

Either one of that quartet, with Fuller, Amerson and - fill in the blanks - for depth looks pretty good to me

Wilson8 02-25-2018 01:40 AM

Kyle Fuller (Bears), E. J. Gaines (Bills), Aaron Colvin (Jaguars) and Bashaud Breeland (Redskins) are 26 years old have some good NFL CB exposure and might be good additions. Pro Football Focus gives Gaines an 85.9 rating with 654 snaps, Fuller 84.3 with 1017 snaps, Colvin 78.5 with 700 snaps, and Breeland 79.0 with 856 snaps. Another possibility would be Malcom Butler at 28 years old, 81.0 rating, and 1038 snaps.

The problem on all of these players will be affordability under the cap. I think their market value could very well be around $10 million per year. That was the beauty of Marcus. A very good CB and a very nice price.

If the Chiefs can work out the money, I think I would prefer Kyle Fuller from the above list of free agent CBs.

BryanBusby 02-25-2018 01:42 AM

Gaines absolutely won't give you a 16 game year. Pass.

I'd pony up the money to get Trumaine Johnson, but if they decline, I'd take a good look at Rashaan Melvin.

Mother****erJones 02-25-2018 01:58 AM

Pass on Butler as he is on the decline it seems.

Chargem 02-25-2018 03:49 AM

This is complicated now, CB FA and draft D line or FA D line and draft CB?

CB FA class seems better, but I think the CB draft class seems better too? I guess I wouldn't mind Poe coming back (open up the hungry pig playbook), Sheldon seems like a big risk.

What 2018 picks are received for Peters really makes a difference I guess.

farmerchief 02-25-2018 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 13436800)
Kyle Fuller (Bears), E. J. Gaines (Bills), Aaron Colvin (Jaguars) and Bashaud Breeland (Redskins) are 26 years old have some good NFL CB exposure and might be good additions. Pro Football Focus gives Gaines an 85.9 rating with 654 snaps, Fuller 84.3 with 1017 snaps, Colvin 78.5 with 700 snaps, and Breeland 79.0 with 856 snaps. Another possibility would be Malcom Butler at 28 years old, 81.0 rating, and 1038 snaps.

The problem on all of these players will be affordability under the cap. I think their market value could very well be around $10 million per year. That was the beauty of Marcus. A very good CB and a very nice price.

If the Chiefs can work out the money, I think I would prefer Kyle Fuller from the above list of free agent CBs.

Yep, maybe he would take a little less than market value to sign and play on the same team with his brother?

Titty Meat 02-25-2018 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13436801)
Gaines absolutely won't give you a 16 game year. Pass.

I'd pony up the money to get Trumaine Johnson, but if they decline, I'd take a good look at Rashaan Melvin.

This.

Couch-Potato 02-25-2018 03:31 PM

Seems crazy to pay high dollar for a CB that will be no where near as good as Peters, doubt their looking to pay another CB.

mcaj22 02-25-2018 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 13437641)
Seems crazy to pay high dollar for a CB that will be no where near as good as Peters, doubt their looking to pay another CB.

if they get a CB on a Sean Smith 15-20 mil range type deal then it's a win.

Now which CB that is I have no idea, the FA market will dictate all of this.

MahiMike 02-25-2018 04:12 PM

Colvin is JAG. I really like Butler but if he breaks the bank, then just use a draft pick.

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2018 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 13437661)
if they get a CB on a Sean Smith 15-20 mil range type deal then it's a win.

Now which CB that is I have no idea, the FA market will dictate all of this.

$15 to $20 million on a CB that will be on the wrong side of 30 when the Chiefs are ready to compete for a Super Bowl?

I think it’s more likely to see the Chiefs take another chance on a cheap prove it deal and draft a CB in the first next year than shell out all that dough this year.

mcaj22 02-25-2018 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13437742)
$15 to $20 million on a CB that will be on the wrong side of 30 when the Chiefs are ready to compete for a Super Bowl?

I think it’s more likely to see the Chiefs take another chance on a cheap prove it deal and draft a CB in the first next year than shell out all that dough this year.

Sean Smith deal as the example from a few years ago when he signed. Not current Sean Smith. If they can get a CB in the 5-8 mil per range they could be okay.

O.city 02-25-2018 06:52 PM

They need to hit that sean smith type guy again that’s not crazy expensive but fits what they want.

H was really good here.

Out the money in the front 7.

RunKC 02-25-2018 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13437947)
They need to hit that sean smith type guy again that’s not crazy expensive but fits what they want.

H was really good here.

Out the money in the front 7.

David Amerson

BossChief 02-25-2018 07:17 PM

They need multiple CBs.

Mitchell, Gaines and Acker are UFAs and we dealt MP. Nelson is going into his last year.

Hoover 02-25-2018 07:22 PM

I think signing Mitchell becomes a priority. Still think it makes the most sense to spend FA money on a young LG

Titty Meat 02-25-2018 07:27 PM

Sign Trumane Johnson and Trent Murphy. Acquire everything else through the draft.

BossChief 02-25-2018 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 13437988)
I think signing Mitchell becomes a priority. Still think it makes the most sense to spend FA money on a young LG

I’d be ok if we sign Fulton, Daniel, Mitchell, a good LG and a guy like Kyle Fuller in FA and then draft almost all defense. Maybe a gadget guy to replace Thomas. I’m a gsmbler so I’d prefer Talib and Richardson/Wilkerson but trading Peters sends a loud n clear message that’s not in the plans.

Titty Meat 02-25-2018 07:33 PM

If they dumped Peters for character issues no way in hell they are going to sign Richardson or Wilkerson.

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2018 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13437998)
Sign Trumane Johnson and Trent Murphy. Acquire everything else through the draft.

Johnson will require a huge guaranteed portion and at 28, he’ll be on the wrong side of 30 when the Chiefs are ready to contend.

Murphy tore an ACL won’t be ready to work out for teams until after the season begins.

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2018 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13438008)
If they dumped Peters for character issues no way in hell they are going to sign Richardson or Wilkerson.

Veach is going to make this roster much younger, which means low effort guys like Richardson and Wilkerson likely aren’t in his plans, as they set bad examples.

The Franchise 02-25-2018 08:08 PM

Fuller and Attachou.

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2018 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 13438059)
Fuller and Attachou.

And Norwell and Marquis Lee on a one year deal, as Conley insurance.

O.city 02-25-2018 08:27 PM

Norwell is gonna cost a lot

I’d rather put that in the defense while Mahomes is cheap but there isn’t much to pick from on d

Avery Williamson is one good option

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2018 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13438088)
Norwell is gonna cost a lot

I’d rather put that in the defense while Mahomes is cheap but there isn’t much to pick from on d

Avery Williamson is one good option

Left guard is the biggest need on offense.

I don’t care what he costs, get him.

Signing Norwell allows Veach to focus almost exclusively on defense, outside of a #2 and #3 QB.

Backup QB’s are no longer cheap, either.

Mother****erJones 02-25-2018 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13438093)
Left guard is the biggest need on offense.

I don’t care what he costs, get him.

Signing Norwell allows Veach to focus almost exclusively on defense, outside of a #2 and #3 QB.

Backup QB’s are no longer cheap, either.

Agree. I would go all out for Norwell. Protecting Mahomes is top priority. Build an OL that is a ****ing brick wall in pass pro

KChiefs1 02-25-2018 08:31 PM

The Texas punter is a stud.

Hoover 02-25-2018 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 13438099)
Agree. I would go all out for Norwell. Protecting Mahomes is top priority. Build an OL that is a ****ing brick wall in pass pro

And we also have the NFL rushing leader and Ware who can take a ton of pressure off Mahomes. I love the idea of spending money on a LG like Norwell.

O.city 02-25-2018 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13438093)
Left guard is the biggest need on offense.

I don’t care what he costs, get him.

Signing Norwell allows Veach to focus almost exclusively on defense, outside of a #2 and #3 QB.

Backup QB’s are no longer cheap, either.

He’s just gonna be expensive and I doubt they end up sinking that much more in that spot

O.city 02-25-2018 10:07 PM

I wonder if Veach tries to flip some of these picks for players.

DaneMcCloud 02-25-2018 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13438273)
He’s just gonna be expensive and I doubt they end up sinking that much more in that spot

So what’s the use of having $30 million in cap space if they’re not going to use it on starters?

BryanBusby 02-25-2018 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 13438274)
I wonder if Veach tries to flip some of these picks for players.

I think it's quite possible, if the trade market in Indy is as hot as they expect.

I bet trade haul is leaked this week, too.

O.city 02-25-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13438280)
I think it's quite possible, if the trade market in Indy is as hot as they expect.

I bet trade haul is leaked this week, too.

Yeah I was browsing around today at guys they may target for some of the picks. There’s def some options

BryanBusby 02-25-2018 10:11 PM

I haven't seen a real list of all the trade block possibilities yet.

O.city 02-25-2018 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 13438294)
I haven't seen a real list of all the trade block possibilities yet.

I was looking at guys who are on rookie deals or ha e 2 years left on their deal etc

We’ll see what happens

O.city 02-25-2018 10:13 PM

If they cut a safety or two, I wonder if earl Thomas would be up for trade?


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