Yes, this is the bread and butter on offense. Not the WRs, and it never will be while Smith is the QB.

We are back to having a bottom 10 WR corps. We have one guy and some what ifs.

Sure. But there's what's possible and what's likely.

It's possible that Robinson won the spot over Maclin outright in OTAs.


But if we're looking for a player to improve on Maclin's numbers from last year, I don't see a receiver on the current roster that is more likely to do it than Maclin. It's an unfortunate necessity given the cap situation, but that doesn't magically make the current wr corps better than what it is.

I'll continue to root for maclin when he's not playing us because he was a great teammate and helped out the rookies immensely, unfortunately it was the body and mind that let him down. Wish him the best.

Considering that the Chiefs offense is mostly focused on Tight Ends and Running backs. I expect Escobar and Hunt to step up huge this year

It's funny because during the offseason Hill and Conley were working out with Maclin

I'm not sure that has to be the line of thinking. I would like it to be true. Reality is it could just as well mean that he he is getting 1st team reps because the other options are an incredibly inconsistent Wilson and a rookie WR.

Maybe a little but in the end unless Robinson and Conley make ideal leaps forward this will be a one step back, two steps forward move long-term for the team.

That's fine, and it's probably the right move. But in the short-term I think this offense will not be as good as it would have been with a healthy Maclin. In the end, I believe in Conley and I will hope the ever-usual camp hype on Robinson is true. Also the reality that Alex will be Alex either way.

I believe it was PICKS as in multiple picks, not one. :hmmm:

I'm saying this as somebody who's watched Robinson going back to HS, and was already sold on the talent long before we drafted him.

Totally understand why some of you are hesitant to buy into him though.

Sigh

Because the Seahawks had such a great receiving corps when they won the SB. Stupid.

I just don't know enough about him to know either way. Conley I have seen enough to have hope that he could be a solid #2.

It was a third iirc

His YAC ability is ridiculous which is why I think he's a great fit in this offense.

I really like the work he put in on ST too. That showed me he's got the work ethic necessary to reach his potential.

That's awful in a passing era where NFL teams put a premium on defensive secondary players.

Do you feel confident in those 3 WRs going up against The Patriots secondary of Butler, Gilmore, McCourty etc?

I don't see where we have an advantage

I'll just add:

1. One more "wow", didn't see this coming

2. Never understood the hate for Wilson although I agree he's not a #1 but also isn't paid as such

3. This season is going to be like watching one of your buddies go through the first 6-7 months of a divorce. If you have to ask what that means...

The exact reason they picked up Chesson. Watching his game film the guy could snatch the ball and take off.

A 3rd and a 6th

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...e72502047.html

One thing that has always been a pet peeve of mine is the thinking that teams can just double team player X, and player Y, etc. and be just fine. It doesn't work that way. You can only truly double team one guy.

If you play single high and roll a safety up to bracket Kelce, you're taking the odds that your corners can handle the sidelines to themselves. And maybe they can, that probably depends on the personnel. Unless the single high safety has elite range, teams are not counting on him to cover from sideline to sideline.

If you are playing two high, you will more than likely account for the deep parts of the field (though the Reek TD vs. Oakland and the famous wide open GIF vs. PIT came against two high shells). However, you are leaving Kelce to be covered by linebackers or slot CBs, and that typically hasn't worked well for defenses.

My point is, the situation isn't near as dire as some would make it seem. Did our offense get worse losing Maclin? Yes. But long term, this will benefit us most as we head into the Mahomes era, and hopefully see that Robinson, Conley, or Chesson have legit ability.

Wilson showed again in the playoff game why he is never going to be anything more than a high 4, low 3.

We'll now have a ton of 4th string guys starting.

At both WR positions...

Seattle, Pitt and Atlanta have had great success using the run game to propel the passing offense. Matt Ryan put up career numbers when they paired Freeman with Coleman. Even better than when he had TG, Douglas, Julio, and Roddy White. Both Atlanta and New England saw 20% of their pass production come from running backs last year. KC is headed that way also with the Hunt pick.

This is pure and utter speculation.

The Chiefs won 12 games last year with Maclin playing like ass. He was targeted 15 times in the Texans game and caught six. That's pathetic. He was awful in the playoff game and missed 4 games entirely with a groin injury.

The Chiefs weren't getting a 27 year old Maclin that put up 1,088 yards in 2017. He's 29 and declining rapidly. It's also clear that the Chiefs thought that their younger guys are capable of filling the 530 yard void left by releasing Maclin.

The bottom line is that this move allows the young guys, be it Chesson, Robinson or even Seantavious Jones, an opportunity to step up and contribute.

I think this move has very little, if any, negative impact to the offense.

WR production often has more to do with QB than it does with WR. There aren't really that many Calvin Johnson calibre receivers out there. That's why teams like Pittsburgh, New Orleans, New England and even San Diego have managed to excel consistently for years on offense regardless of who they put on the field on the outside.

That said, this is still a bit of a head-scratcher.

The texans have both a legit D and a legit CB.


Injury is definitely a concern for Maclin.

His production in the Steelers game was 100% on Smith's shitty performance.

TWICE Hill was wide open deep and he never saw it. The one deep pass he attempted to Maclin was thrown out of bounds on purpose. Go back and look...

The Chiefs weren't getting a 27 year old Maclin that put up 1,088 yards in 2017. He's 29 and declining rapidly. It's also clear that the Chiefs thought that their younger guys are capable of filling the 530 yard void left by releasing Maclin.

The bottom line is that this move allows the young guys, be it Chesson, Robinson or even Seantavious Jones, an opportunity to step up and contribute.

I think this move has very little, if any, negative impact to the offense.[/QUOTE]

They won with top 5 defense and a top 10 QB. Neither of which we have.

Hill is a 4th string WR? Conley isn't either. Whatever point you had gets lost with the massive exaggeration. Would you take 4th string WR compensation for Hill? Cause 31 teams would probably be willing to give us 4th string value for him.

No it isn't. The Chiefs cut a good WR and replaced him with no one, therefore they got worse.

I get the move. Gives the young guys a chance to get experience and prove their worth before they play with Mahomes one day. Gives us the necessary cap flexibility that is needed before the season. But the 2017 Chiefs absolutely got worse yesterday, as the WR depth and experience took a big hit.

There is no us.

When are you going to get that through your head?

Give me a break. Maclin dropped perfectly placed balls in that game, period.

Maclin tried to blame his slump on the loss of his best friend that week but he played like shit the rest of the season.

Pure and utter speculation

Hill might be the most perfect slot guy ever born.

Conley isn't able to get seperation. He doesn't get open. Period.

So are you suggesting that cutting Jeremy Maclin was addition by subtraction? Because that is the only way that the 2017 Chiefs didn't get worse from this move..

Watch that Denver game again...

We do get worse.

Period. There is nothing we have on the roster that is close...

Smith interview on the release

https://twitter.com/RMarshallSports/...37902905540608

And if I haven't clear enough, I ****ing LOVE this move.

I've been calling for Maclin to be cut as soon as the season was over and I'm thrilled that
Dorsey and Reid had the BALLS to move on from an overpaid, off-injured, declining, 29 year old free agent acquisition.

**** yes.

From a cap standpoint, yes

I don't think it's goimg to impact Even Steven all that much.

Maclin has been injured at some point nearly every season in his career and is approaching 30. He absolutely wasn't in the longterm plans.

If there was an actual head-scratcher, it would be wtf is Jah Reid still on the roster for.

Wait how tf does Conley not get open? He has probably the best hands on the team

You can't make the declaration that the Chiefs offense is "worse" this season because the season hasn't been played.

Ty Hill was the best WR on the team last year and he was a 5th round pick. The Chiefs have Robinson, Chesson and Conley, all of whom are far from their ceilings.

Conley had as many yards last year as Maclin and it's not a stretch to think that Robinson and/or Chesson fills Maclin's void as Hill's touches on offense increase big time.

That's still bottom 5 in the league.

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That said, Who do you promote out wide?...

Why would you think these two things are related?

And no, he DOES NOT HAVE GOOD HANDS, let alone the best on the team...

LMAO

Tyreek Hill: 61 catches, 593 yards, 6 TD's
Chris Conley: 44 catches, 530 yards
Jeremy Maclin: 44 catches, 536 yards, 2 TD's

Yep, nothing close.

LMAO

I think it's completely fair to say that Maclin would be better in NE than Robinson who has proven nothing.

But I give credit to Dorsey here. This has all the makings of the Steven Nelson development last season. Let the vet (Sean Smith) go and trust your staff to develop a talented player.

Dorsey has been right about young players over and over and over again. Chris Jones, Dee Ford, Tyreek Hill, Steven Nelson.

Dorsey has earned my trust

You don't ****ing line up Hill out wide on a consistent basis.

We both know that and to allude that it's an option is ****ing stupid.

Conley did nothing last year. He wasn't a legit no 2 in his sophomore year and I really don't see much out of him this year. He doesn't ****ing get open...

Don't forget this guy :D

Albert Wilson: 31 catches, 279 yards, 2 TD's

Hill is gonna move into the z role I guess

The best player.

Reid has said repeatedly that they held Hill back last season because he didn't want to overwhelm him with too much and stated that this year, he'll see far more touches.

He is, by far, the most dynamic wide receiver on the roster and as such, will see increased touches which will reduce the role that Maclin would have had this year.

Reid has already stated that Hill will see increased touches in 2017 at WR.

And if Conley "did nothing", what does that say about Maclin?

Was Maclin worth $12 million dollars more than Conley?

Not good. If Hill gets hurt then you lose a primary receiver, running back and returner. Ouch.....Chiefs just got weaker

Or failed on guys like Ford (who didn't even play until year 3 of a 4 year contract,) Fisher (who only became respectable year 3 as a no 1 overall pick.)

His picks from 5-7 have looked really good.

Mostly because he applied the same approach to them as he did 1st round picks: let's look at their athleticism and ignore production.

In the first two rounds that what makes you the Raiders.

In rounds 5-7 that's how you find gems...

I'm sort of shocked only because of the questions the Chiefs have at the position. I like Maclin but he has not lived up to his contract. He had one really good season only to get hurt when they needed him most. Last year even when he played he was below average for being a #1, especially when it came to catching the football. Way too many drops. It's clear to me that Dorsey knows the value of players. He has no problems paying guys who's play earn new deals and he has no problem getting rid of guys not playing up to their current pay. Probably the most surprising thing is they didn't discuss negotiating a cheaper deal first but maybe they didn't see him being here long term regardless.

:facepalm:

Dorsey drafts for ceiling, not floor.

It's a process.

Dorsey drafting is for year 4 of a rookie contract.

That makes no ****ing sense.

The whole point is to save money by getting immediate production year one or two and to later extend that contract...

Dorsey moved up for Conley, sat on their original 4th for Robinson and moved up for Chesson.

Obviously, there's something that Reid, the coaching staff and GM like about these players.

This is absolutely silly.

The Chiefs have extended their best players after Year 3 in Kelce, Fisher and recently LDT. They'll extend Ford and Peter, too.

They've also extended Ware, West and Harris.

Get used to it.

For those suggesting that Hill can't be a full time WR, or that he can't be a #1 WR, I will bring back a post of mine from a few weeks ago.

Another way of looking at this is: From what I've read, it's gonna take $4.5M to sign our top 3 draft choices; prior to the Maclin move, we only had $3.5M available in cap space. By releasing Maclin, we now have space available to sign these draftees and have some excess cap space for contingency.

Would you rather have Maclin or our top 3 draft guys? Sure there are probably a million other ways to free up the cap space, but releasing Maclin definitely gave us some cap flexibility. Anyway, if you look at it this way, I'm not sure that the Chiefs "got worse" by releasing Maclin. Maybe their on field performance got worse (maybe), but the overall health of the organization actually improved. Otherwise, why would they have done the deal?!?!?!?!?!?

They were in a tight pinch cap-wise and it had to be addressed. I'd bet dollar to donut that the Chiefs themselves would like to have Maclin, but the harsh reality of the cap had to be addressed.

Additionally, this ultra-tight cap situation that we got ourselves in seems to lend credence to the thinking that said situation had a lot to do with the recent front office changes. My guess is that Dorsey allowed his minions to address detail contract/cap issues and they didn't exactly cross all t's and dot all i's in the process. Ergo, they were shown the door.

It's better than 2014's crew of Bowe - Wilson - Avery; but that's assuming Hill adds another ~200 receiving yards. Which I'm guessing might be tough to do only getting naked bubble screens.

The team needed its $5 million for the emergency fund, too. If and when some guys get hurt this year, we needed cap room for that event and we didn't have it whatsoever before yesterday.

No, it's not.

He drafts athletes, not football players.

Fisher is not one of our best players. He's OK. Not great - not terrible.

The rest are LOW ROUND PICKS we hit on.

You're mixing contracts yet to be extended or released and players who were signed nears ago.

One of these things is not like the others.
Can you guess why?

Or it could have got better if Maclin is anything like last year he won't be missed.

If he is healthy all season and on top of his game then you maybe right.

This isn't our year but still want to be competitive and get confidence swagger built in the younger guys.

Being a team's #1 receiver is about more than speed. IMO, for him to be considered a true #1 he needs to be able to line up at WR and play the position against all coverages and to be able to execute routes all over the field, it's not just being a deep threat or a home run threat on a screen play. It's as much about route running as anything. It's about his ability to recognize coverages and create space even when the corner has help. It's about being able to make catches in traffic over the middle. It's about being able to break contact and not going down at first contact.

He's a fine player, but his game needs to become a lot more complete before we consider him in a class where you talk about Julio Jones or Antonio Brown or ODB.

I will be very interested to see which WR teams will put their #1 cover guy on. Maclin was at the very least an expensive decoy.

The Chiefs franchise was a tire fire laughing stock for nearly 20 years before the arrival of Dorsey and Reid.

All they've done since is draft well, constantly churn the bottom of the roster and with an exception in 2014, moved the franchise forward.

11-5, 9-7, 11-5, 12-4, with 2016 as AFC Divisional Champs.

This year, they made the bold move (which I thought was absolutely imperative) to move up and draft a QBOTF.

How anyone can criticize Dorsey for providing players on a team that's won 43 regular season games during that time (and losing only 21) is beyond my ability to comprehend.

Good ****ing grief.

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I agree with all of this, however, it is his speed and quickness that already sets up his routes. Not even Talib or Harris dared to press Tyreek.

I'm an optimist, but I really believe in his ability to be more like Antonio Brown than Percy Harvin. The coaches obviously think he can be the man too, as I highly doubt they are counting on Conley or anyone else to play the Z position that Maclin is vacating.

So I take it Fatlock hasn't realized that the Chiefs never had much of a chance at a SB this year?

You do realize the only reason we're 43-21 is because of our QB play. If we still has Matt Cassel we'd be 21-43

Smith is a top 10 QB!!

Montana being knocked out of the 93 playoffs was not luck - that was football being played back when players were allowed to play football.

The 95 team would have been the first version of the RAVENS had our kicker not completely shit his pants.

No, that's pretty much exactly it.

Other than Peters we've taken a giant shit on the 1st round of the draft and made up for it in the late rounds.

BECAUSE THE LATE ROUNDS ARE WHERE YOU TAKE RISKS AND FIND RARE TALENTS...

I don't see where Whitlock is going with this.


Can someone explain to me, please?

He thinks we're bunkering $$$ for next year when 2PM might play...

Whitlock is irrelevant .

If the Chiefs feel this way then I don't know why they'd sign Bennie Logan to a one year, $8M deal.

I don't like getting rid of Maclin now. I was all for it next off-season but not now.

Despite what others are saying, this is clearly management reloading the team and preparing for Mahomes. The Chiefs aren't trying to "win now" with Alex. If they were, then they wouldn't have cut Maclin and try to replace him with Demarcus Robinson who Alex has to start all over with to gain rhythm.

If the Chiefs really needed money for the rookies, they could have let Albert Wilson walk and cut Demetrius Harris and been fine.

We will find out a lot when the QB battle is over. If Mahomes wins the backup job, I think it's entirely likely he could play at the end of the season ala Jay Cutler's rookie season.

The same guys applauding Maclin's release probably used Maclin's absence to excuse poor offensive performance in the past.

Maclin definitely had a bad year last year. It's entirely possible he is on the decline. But anyone trying to claim this is a net gain or even a break even on wr talent on the field in 2017 is crazy. The only thing that makes this move acceptable is the salary cap issues that mandated it happen. The team just got less talented at the WR position.

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