Ancient history. Jones is our best player on defense and well worth every penny. Focus on the here and now. Check out what he did to Dallas.

Well, having a broken hand will do that.

Once it was mostly healed, he resumed wrecking opposing offensive game plans.

Can’t throw out those examples without acknowledging that Jones was the defensive MVP in the previous Super Bowl and had a real argument to be the overall MVP.

Dilphag9's been on a hilarious mission to try to vindicate a dumbass take he had when the team was shopping Jones at the time the Mahomes deal was getting done.

So now, every flicker of a good game Jones may have, little dilphag9's pecker gets harder than when he saw CJ's cock flop out of his shorts at the combine and he rushes to his keyboard, fingers still sticky, to take a shot at me for ever being fine with Jones being traded at the time, and disagreeing with the notion that the Chiefs should make Chris Jones the highest paid defender in the league.

It's a weird, sad little fixation he has. Admittedly I do take just a tiny bit of joy spritzing some gas on the fire each time he comes out of his closet.

Lmmfao.

Overall mvp for a couple batted balls. K.

Damien Williams should have been MVP, but Mahomes scoring, and Wasp, and the dime to Sammy overshadowed it.

Jones and his tipped passes had no shot at SBMVP.

Barber made a point on 610 yesterday about Jones that I have never heard.

He said that since Jones is nimble, quick and has a long upper torso- he has an uncanny ability to slip between double teams. It makes it very difficult to double him. Not many Guards can handle him one on one.

3 tipped passes, two that prevented throws to wide open receivers in the 4th quarter (forcing a 3 and out to give us back the ball down 3) and a QB hit that forced an INT in the first half. Arguing that any defensive player had a more decisive impact at such a critical time in the game is going to be an uphill battle.

But hey, whatever suits your narrative, my dude.

I think if we were to be honest about this discussion, we would have to acknowledge that while Jones is at times absolutely dominant, he also often just disappears for long stretches of season.

Not just this year, or you could make the argument that he was injured and/or out of position.

But pretty much every year.

Right now, he appears to be working up a head of steam, and he is indeed a force when he's playing like that.

Let's hope it continues.

Ok, "my dude".

If you think that forcing a first half INT, and batting a couple balls overshadows SCORING TOUCHDOWNS in a game where the offense is down 10 points with 6 minutes left, then you're as ate up with dumbass as dilphag9 is.

Mahomes took one in for a score, threw two more, including amazing plays to Tyreek and Sammy on the way to those.

Williams overall production was the only rival to what Mahomes did.

Jones and his batted balls ain't NEVER winning mvp of any contest, let alone superbowl. Sack the qb. Score a td. Dominate every aspect of the game on defense if you want to snag an mvp.

Chris Jones was clearly the defensive MVP and was the was the only player on defense with an argument for the overall MVP.

Without that tipped pass with 5 minutes left, there is a real chance Mahomes wouldn’t have seen the ball again (2018 AFC Championship style). Or, if Mahomes did get the ball back, it would have been with KC down two scores.

Here’s a breakdown from about why Jones performance was so stellar just in case anyone else mistakes “a couple of batted balls” as not having a critical impact on Super Bowl 54: https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/2/...fl-free-agency

Exactly. And shit like that doesn't put you up for highest paid defender on the league, and will have some questioning an 80 million dollar deal.

But you can't say anything negative about Jones performance without his knob sobbing ballwashers going apeshit.

My original point at the time Jones was not extended yet, was we had just come back from 24-0 in the divisional without this dude even on the field.

Jones was a luxury, not a back up the brinks truck and keep him at all costs guy. I was fine with him being traded if we got fair compensation.

Mahomes was the priority, and only guy worth an at all costs deal.

Literally nobody is dumb enough to think Jones is a "luxury." Not even your dumb ass.

Crawler embarrassing himself on turkey day. Drinking Old crow?

lol - Chiefs have a bottom 5 DL without Chris Jones

does no one remember how bad it was when he was out?

Says the guy who can't ****ing follow the conversation. Probably sit the next few plays out champ, and back down the insults to someone else's intelligence if you really are this ****ing slow.

When you haven't signed the best qb on the planet yet, and CJ wants the bank, yeah, he was a luxury. Not a back up the brinks truck guy. The guy was on the sideline for one of the greatest comebacks in nfl history.

Try to keep up with the ****ing conversation if you're gonna post.

Your fingers that typed that post need to file a lawsuit against your brain for non support. It's hilarious.

He wanted the bank and got the bank when the Chiefs, correctly, backed up the brinks truck.

Honestly, I'm just glad you idiots aren't the Chiefs' GM.

This board is embarrassingly bad at evaluating players.

Wallcrawler is so mad that he was wrong about Jones and his contract that he's going to keep making shit up to validate his low IQ opinion. Dude was 2nd team All Pro last year and was one of the best pass rushers in the league, but that ****ing idiot is going to down play all of that. He also had 5 tackles in the SB. You're an idiot Wall Crawler and can't even come up with any type of argument to back up your shitty takes, you just keep doing the same shitty Dilphag (hahahahaha!) joke. Idiot.

First of all, dilphag9, I'm not mad about anything. It's not my money.

Next off, if you believe 80 million dollars given to a dt to be SECOND TEAM all pro is satisfactory production for that big of a cap hit, then you got some low expectations. How much for first team, then? 100? 120? Lmmfgdao.

So fap to his 5 tackles in a losing superbowl effort unable to sack the oldest most unathletic qb in the league, and tout that legendary second team designation and call it 80 million well spent.

I disagree.

Like it or not, Jones is inconsistent, and inconsistency isn't something you pay that much money for. 80 million, you damn well better be wrecking shit on a weekly basis, not taking 11 games to show up, you damn sure better make first team all pro, and for ****s sake, you better muster more than a 5tkl stat line in the biggest game there is against the oldest slowest qb there is.

It is entirely clear from the above that you have no clue who in the NFL is paid 80mm and above if that is what you demand.

I look forward to Melvin Ingram's 80 million dollar extension then. It appears inflation is worse than I thought if we're just tossing out 80 million dollar deals in the NFL and elite production is not expected in return at that price.

Nice non sequitur to distract from the fact that you say dumb shit.

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You're saying my expectations for 80 million are too high. Your post implies that a shit ton of players make 80 million and higher, and are not expected to produce elite results for that price.


If so, given the instant impact Ingram has had, in so few games no less, inTwistedChiefs fantasy world, Melvin has a big payday coming.

And Idiot.

based on his history (see any of his dumb posts about andy) jones will shove this thread even farther up wallcrawler's ass against DEN with 3 more sacks

Wait wait!

The Melvin Ingram who has a total of 0 sacks and 3 tackles in 3 games?

Apparently you seem to believe Jones has no value beyond his most basic stats, so I wouldn't see why that same logic wouldn't apply in evaluating Ingram.

How many of these 80-90mm defensive players would you clearly want over Jones?

Bud Dupree
Byron Jones
Chandler Jones
DeForest Bucknker
Landon Collins
Arik Armstead
CJ Mosley
Dee Ford
Trey Flowers

He is the 3rd highest paid DT by yearly average in the league, so I'd say being 2nd team all pro is perfectly fine. Jones is not inconsistent. Since 2018, when he became the player he is today, he has a sack in 28 out of 53 games. He had a pressure in 50 of those 53 games and has 144 pressures in those 53 games.

You're just an idiot. No one "wrecks shit" every single week. Everyone has bad games, moron. There's only 1 player better than Jones at DT and that is Aaron Donald and he got $135 mil and is guaranteed to get $85+ mil of that.

Way to catch the sarcasm, bruh. Honestly. Well played.

Yes, I really thought you meant Ingram was going to receive a large payday. I had no idea you were using this thing called "sarcasm."

Still waiting for your list of which of those players - all paid more than Jones - are clearly superior.

I think the reality is somewhere between you undervalue Jones on an outright basis and you don't quite appreciate what the going rate is for a top-5 NFL DT.

WHAT?

You mean to tell me that Chris Jones averages 2.7 pressures per game?

What a ****ing destroyer of worlds. 2.7. I had no idea.

My God.

And we gave Mahomes 500 million. What a ****ing travesty.

I am in awe of the sheer numbers Jones has accomplished. I rescind all criticism, and may God have mercy upon my soul for blasphemy against the almighty flopping peni.

GIV MOAR MUNNEH BART VERCH!

Do some of you even watch the NFL ROFL Good grief. You realize 2nd team all pro is the 3rd or 4th best player at his position right??? You do realize that??? And he's the 3rd highest paid player at his position. That seems good value ro me.

Since advanced stats were available on PFR in 2018

TJ Watt 187 pressures in 55 games = 3.4 pressures/gm
Joey Bosa 140 pressures in 45 games = 3.1 pressures/gm
Khalil Mack 132 pressures in 53 games = 2.5 pressures/gm
Myles Garrett 150 pressures in 51 games = 3 pressures/gm
Chris Jones 144 pressures in 53 games = 2.7 pressures/gm
D. Buckner 105 pressures in 58 games =1.8 pressures/gm
C. Heyward 110 pressures in 57 games = 1.9 pressures/gm
A. Donald 191 pressures in 58 games = 3.3 pressures/gm

Yeah, 2.7 pressures per game is really ****ing good, especially coming from a DT. So choke on another one, you braindead scab.

#WallEater

Can't wait to.see what brilliant response he comes up with next. Those stats make his last post look even dumber.

Hell since his contract Jones is at 68 pressures in 23 games. Good for 3 a game. That's as good as Myles Garrett and Joey Bosa. Man, Wallcrawler, don't you feel really low IQ? Dumb AF even?

Wallcrawler probably has Spider-Man as his avatar because his penis is the size of a spiders!!!

"Most dominant DT not named Aaron Donald"="2nd-string DT."ROFLROFL

You can't make this shit up.:thumb:

You want to try again and maybe completely retract this nonsense? FFS, man, know when to take the loss.

No one was saying he's 2nd string.

I said he was 2nd team all pro. Maybe you misread that.

Also, welcome to the thread. Be sure to tell Wallcrawler how dumb he is before you leave. Thanks.

Was referring to this post, not yours.

Surely this ends the debate, yes..?

Looks like he tapped out ROFL

Looks like he...







































































CRAWLED away!

Man this post came at Wallcrawler hard like an interior DL splitting the double team in the blink of an eye and ****ing the QB.

That's not new information, though. WTF was he expecting Jones to do?

Hopefully he killed himself

Where you go little man?

How about window licker

Sorry dilphag9, I was busy drilling your mother while you were off digging up stats with the amazing amount of free time you enjoy in her basement. I'm hoping her moans of ecstasy didn't disturb you too much during your research.

So let's have a look at these stats you dug up here, that you're so very proud of, and more importantly, look at them in the context of what Chris Jones does, and the types of games he plays in.

Now Chris Jones is by all accounts, a one trick pony. He doesn't play the run particularly well from the dt spot, he's more of a "tackle the rb on the way to the qb" type guy, and at defensive end, the guy is a clown show against the run. So Chris Jones earned his 80 million dollar contract on his pass rushing abilities.

During the period in which these statistics were recorded. The Kansas City Chiefs offense, led by Patrick Mahomes, was regularly blowing the doors off of opposing defenses. To even have a chance in the game, you had to reach 30 points. If you couldn't reach at least 30 points, you had no shot.

This led to opposing offenses abandoning the run early, and going into catch up mode, which means 40-50 passes from the opposing qb.

Now, you mean to tell me that a pass rush first DT, who basicly says **** off to his run d assignments, playing against offenses in pass only mode for a majority of games, STILL ONLY AFFECTS THE QB NEGATIVELY 2.7 TIMES PER GAME?

Comparing Chris Jones to JJ Watt is hysterical. Watt with the shitty Texans wasnt playing against teams trying to come back from 2 scores down.

If you're a pass rusher, getting 30+ cracks to rush the passer, and you average less than 3 plays where you negatively affect the qb, Sorry. I don't see 80 million there.

Put up all the stats you like. It won't change anything. Jones is paid to do one thing, and if he gets close just 3 times a game, we should be hooting and hollering about that?

Miss me with that bullshit.

Wow. It’s gonna be a good show tonight!

I like CJ. He will be in the Chief's Ring of Honor one day and most likely in the HOF.

If you don’t think he’s the “full package” then go watch his combine video.


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This is the least informed argument ever made on CP.

It’s unclear whether you’re defensive and just unable to take an L or whether you actually know this little about football and how to structure an argument.

And it appears that I'm wasting my time now. You're just a bitter little bitch that can't admit that you were wrong and still are wrong.

Here's another one for you little bitch.

Defensive ranking in pass attempts

2021 - 16th
2020 - 16th
2019 - 23rd
2018 - 32nd

So outside of 2018 teams aren't just going pass happy on us. Try again you ****ing moron. Maybe if you did a quick 3 minute check, then you wouldn't make yourself look like such an ignorant bundle of sticks.

Holy shit LMAO

I think we need to change reerun to wallcrawler

He's the same guy who said (Future-Hall-of-Famer) Andy Reid is a terrible football coach. On some level, he knows how ****ing stupid he really is.

So in crawlers mind Donald sucks then too....wow imagine thinking every player gets dozens of pressures a game or he's no good....

Quote needed there.

Pretty sure rabble started the thread about that.

Any criticisms I've posted about Andy were, and are, legitimate.

I also vehemently DEFENDED Andy Reid in the superbowl loss. I gave him the blame for the dumbass defensive timeout that led to spot fouls and a score. But his gameplan was good enough to win, despite all the Britt Reid drum bangers.

If the Chiefs receivers simply catch the footballs thrown to them, or in hardmans case, just be aware of them, we win that game by 10.

I've posted that at times in games, he just absolutely horse ****s what should be so simple a 10 year old Madden player would understand what do do there, and in those instances, I refer to his alter ego "Randy Reidtard" appearing. As mentioned, for example, the defensive timeout in the first half of the SB. Your team has done nothing good. The bucs are SURRENDERING their possession by running the ball, content to go to the half, and you get ball to start the third. Piss on that, let's push our luck. Oh. Down another 7? Sweet.

Boy if that doesn't light the fuse on some tampons around here, especially those of the "all is forgiven" revisionists who now that Andy has a ring, want to go out and shout down any criticism of their new fap material.

Reid is a hall of famer and Champion. It doesn't exclude him from criticism when he shits down his leg though.

As for you dilphag9, you do realize that not everyone has to jerk their dick to your hero, yes? Maybe not.

I think you'd be a lot happier if you just enjoy watching your hero play, content with the fact that his contract is an albatross that renders him virtually immovable. Worry less about convincing me and anyone else that he's worth all that money, and cheer like crazy when he hits that magical 2.7 pressures on the day.

These are great days dilphag9, try to make the best of them.

As an aside here, dilphag9, there's an awful lot of hostility in your posts lately. It's a little alarming.

Little bitch this, little man that, and don't forget the homophobic slurs, those have been extremely entertaining.

You come off like someone who would actually take a swing at me if we were in the same room, for disagreeing about the monetary worth of a football player on the Kansas City Chiefs. Like, you simply cannot abide it. You can't possibly function if someone doesn't agree with you.

It reeks of JDPrez level small dick energy bruh. It's not that important.

I eagerly await your next brutal assault on my feelings. Just let it out dilphag9. Don't keep that stuff pent up.

And if it makes your life just a little bit less pathetic, if Chris Jones gets a sack on Sunday, you come straight here and make a thread about it, and I mean you just really let me have it. If it's cool with the homosexual members of the board, go ahead and use that as a negative toward me too. I want you to really feel good about yourself man. So yeah. Nothing, outside of my kids of course, will be off limits. Go nuts.

Chris Jones will show me, won't he dilphag9?

You've been calling him dilphag for the last few weeks LMAO you are both being hostile.

I don't really care who started this shit, but you are clearly wrong on this matter, Wallcrawler. The man showed statistics, hard facts that Jones is pressuring QBs at a rate that is comparable to the best pass rushers in the league. That should have been the end of this debate.

Lmao, I'm the hostile one? You've been a douche ever since I made the Chris Jones being the highest paid defender thread. You've literally been calling me Dilphag9 for as long as I can remember. I'm bringing stats to this discussion and all you can do is come up with hilarious jokes and shitty opinions.

Did I hurt your feelings little boy? I'm sorry if so.

Goddamn this is ****ing tiresome.

What's Belichick's alter ego when he ****s up use of a timeout? How about everybody's golden boy of clock management (at least who people were championing leading up to the 2019 Super Bowl) Mike Vrabel? He's ****ed up the clock plenty of times. What's his name?

"Not as often as Reid does!" you might say.

****ing prove it. You're more familiar with Reid and his issues, and you are buying into a pre-conceived notion of Reid being awful at clock management from dumbass inbred Philly fans who are just bitter dickless morons who don't want to look deeper into the reasons why they lost so many important playoff games. That's where you got this CLOCK MANAGEMENT thing in the first place. From Philly fans. And you really kept that bullshit going.

I asked you awhile ago if you wanted Reid to get replaced as head coach, and you gave a stupid non-answer of, "I think he's great, but...." and just kept rattling off your issues with him.

Is he a perfect head coach? Clearly not. Is any head coach? No. Not even everybody's don't-you-dare-not-suck-his-dick coach Belichick.

The amount of small dick energy in this thread is wild considering the thread is about a dude who is so well endowed.

I keep clicking this thread forgetting what an abomination it's turned into. lol me

We all agree moving him to DE was dumb right?

Definitely hurt his DPOY odds out there.

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He'll go in the ring of honor, I'd imagine... but getting a single sack in the playoffs would help.

I guess we dont know what the tweet was about?

Definitely. Makes me wonder about who is coming up with these plans and what future plans they're discussing.

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Some cum worthy Jones Magic!!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Which one is Chris Jones? <a href="https://t.co/mvo35dZhKC">pic.twitter.com/mvo35dZhKC</a></p>&mdash; Theo Ash (@TheoAshNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheoAshNFL/status/1570956404076482561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Hilarious

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Until this season, Jones lacked discipline. That was his ONLY problem.

He's fixed that. He should be a Chief for life.

We need Chris Jones.

We also need to restructure his deal next year.