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O.city 09-23-2014 09:17 PM

Lose to the lowely Cubs in a pennant race. Thats about how the year goes I guess.

O.city 09-23-2014 09:18 PM

In that situation, you always play in to take away the cheap hit bloop single.

jd1020 09-23-2014 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10943547)
In that situation, you always play in to take away the cheap hit bloop single.

Ummmm, ok?

Castillo at the plate. He's got some pop, but he's slow. Instead of choosing to play the infield back and the outfield at normal depth it makes more sense to play the outfield in... with 2 outs. That's an easy out with Bourjos at normal depth.

BigRedChief 09-23-2014 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10943545)
Lose to the lowely Cubs in a pennant race. Thats about how the year goes I guess.

We have won 8 of 10 prior to tonight's game. We are not exactly stumbling to the end of the season.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-23-2014 09:41 PM

That was a good pitch, Castillo just put a nice swing on it. I'm not sure why the OFers were playing so shallow, as Castillo does have pop, but that ball probably drops anyway.

Biggest problem is the ****ing unkillable Pirates. I blame this on a local radio asshole who said after the series in Milwaukee that if the Cards went 9-9 to finish out they'd win the division because there is no way that Pittsburgh could finish 15-3.

Idiot-ass ****.

BigRedChief 09-23-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10943595)
That was a good pitch, Castillo just put a nice swing on it. I'm not sure why the OFers were playing so shallow, as Castillo does have pop, but that ball probably drops anyway.

Biggest problem is the ****ing unkillable Pirates. I blame this on a local radio asshole who said after the series in Milwaukee that if the Cards went 9-9 to finish out they'd win the division because there is no way that Pittsburgh could finish 15-3.

Idiot-ass ****.

If Pitt wins the division theu have earned it. 8/11 is playing good ball. The Cardinals have stumbled in the last week or two before, but thats not the case this year.

That was a good pitch. Our pitching has been excellent. Those AB's by Adams, Peralta and Molina ended our best chance to win tonights game.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-23-2014 09:50 PM

They are mother****ing 15-3 since we swept them. Fifteen and ****ing three. Ridiculous.

Jewish Rabbi 09-23-2014 10:03 PM

The Cubs have Neshek's number, for whatever reason.

George Liquor 09-24-2014 07:19 PM

Pirates getting shellacked and Lackey gives up a 2 run triple to the ****ing pitcher.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 07:47 PM

Not PH'ing for Lackey in the 5th was a mistake. It's September and you've got an off day tomorrow. You can't only give yourself one legitimate shot to drive a run in. We're lucky that Castillo made such a poor throw.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 07:50 PM

I wonder if we could have gotten Stanton for Taveras, Adams, and Martinez in the offseason. I'm really starting to wish that would have gone down.

BigRedChief 09-24-2014 08:20 PM

Adams and Peralta batting 4th and 5th are killing the line up. Peralta is hitting .192 for the month of September. Adams is a big lumbering guy with no power. Maybe its the oblique issue. Something else thats not been disclosed.

The lineup needs to be changed for the playoffs. But of course its not going to happen. If Mo hadn't traded Craig, he'd still be out there and we would be watching the playoffs on TV.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:21 PM

****ing Descalso. Jesus Christ.

BigRedChief 09-24-2014 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by BDj23 (Post 10945446)
Pirates getting shellacked and Lackey gives up a 2 run triple to the ****ing pitcher.

Lackey did his job. 7 innings of 2 runs is a good start for a#4/#5 starter. It's the offense, not the pitching that will bring our season to a halt.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:23 PM

Don't PH Grichuk against a RHP with a good breaking pitch. Ever. He cannot hit offspeed pitches.

George Liquor 09-24-2014 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10945712)
Lackey did his job. 7 innings of 2 runs is a good start for a#4/#5 starter. It's the offense, not the pitching that will bring our season to a halt.

Granted, I made that post 30 seconds after that hit. :)

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:29 PM

Kimbrel just slammed the door. Magic number down to three.

BigRedChief 09-24-2014 08:29 PM

They need to get this win. Losing 2 out of 3 to the Cubs. GEEEZZZZ

It will hurt our chances against the Dodgers if we have to pitch Waino on Sunday to win the division.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:37 PM

Bad pitch, bad throw, bad catch, bad offense.

:facepalm: this team is just :facepalm:

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:43 PM

Horrible. Just horrible.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:45 PM

I think you've gotta try and send Pham here.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:46 PM

C'mon, kid. Show your tools.

BigRedChief 09-24-2014 08:49 PM

At least no matter what Pitt does tomorrow, we will have a full game lead heading to Arizona.

Offense better get going. They think these Cub pitchers were tough wait until they are up there against Kershaw and Grienke.

kcpasco 09-24-2014 08:52 PM

The offense is just horrible. I hope the pitching is lights out good because that's the only way the Cards will do any damage this October.

kcpasco 09-24-2014 08:53 PM

Adams our 1st base cleanup hitter has only 3 home runs the last 2 months.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 08:59 PM

Adams is basically James Loney, a LHB 1st baseman with no power.

BigRedChief 09-24-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10945836)
Adams our 1st base cleanup hitter has only 3 home runs the last 2 months.

It's killing our mojo. He looks really bad up there too. Jay has cooled too. Taveras isn't showing power or driving the ball into the gaps but he is hitting the ball hard. Has a healthy average with RISP. Taveras needs to pick up a 1B mitt this off season and start learning.

Carpenter
Wong
Holliday
Taveras
Molina
Peralta
Adams
Grichek
Pitcher

kcpasco 09-24-2014 09:04 PM

I'd feel much better if the Pirates lost tomorrow but they definitely have the pitching match up in their favor. And the Braves might be the only team that hits worse then us.

kcpasco 09-24-2014 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10945863)
It's killing our mojo. He looks really bad up there too. Jay has cooled too. Taveras isn't showing power or driving the ball into the gaps but he is hitting the ball hard. Has a healthy average with RISP. Taveras needs to pick up a 1B mitt this off season and start learning.

Carpenter
Wong
Holliday
Taveras
Molina
Peralta
Adams
Grichek
Pitcher

Way to soon to give up on Adams but as of now you just have to pitch him down and in. I actually like his glove at 1st.

BigRedChief 09-24-2014 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10945872)
Way to soon to give up on Adams but as of now you just have to pitch him down and in. I actually like his glove at 1st.

I'm not giving up on him long term or advocating someone else at 1B. He doesn't look comfortable swinging a bat. Just move him down in the line up. Get well in the off season.

OT needs to learn 1B because he is never going to be a respectful MLB OF.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-24-2014 09:21 PM

Taveras can be a Holliday-esque OF'er. If you move him to first, you destroy his value, because that is a position where average production is .280 w/ 20-25 HRs. That's elite production for a COF.

kcxiv 09-25-2014 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10945855)
Adams is basically James Loney, a LHB 1st baseman with no power.

yeah, **** that Mark Grace no power ass first basemen! lol Loney used to make me rage when he was on the Dodgers. Big ass ****ing guy and hits like a 2nd basemen. lol


Anyways, Dodgers offense is red hot going into this shit. Going to do it again for the 3rd year in a row more then likely. Damn it!

BigRedChief 09-25-2014 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10946202)
Anyways, Dodgers offense is red hot going into this shit. Going to do it again for the 3rd year in a row more then likely. Damn it!

Unless our offense wakes the **** up, its going to be an easy series for you.

Our pitching can hang with yours but your offense will score a run or two and thats all it will need. Looks like the year you get past us. Reverse mojo intended.:D

Jewish Rabbi 09-25-2014 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10946373)
Unless our offense wakes the **** up, its going to be an easy series for you.

Our pitching can hang with yours but your offense will score a run or two and thats all it will need. Looks like the year you get past us. Reverse mojo intended.:D

What do you mean the year they got us? They beat us in 2009. Not like they've never beat us in the postseason.

BigRedChief 09-25-2014 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 10946487)
What do you mean the year they got us? They beat us in 2009. Not like they've never beat us in the postseason.

Historically, we have beat the Dodgers in playoff series way more than we have lost. !985, 1987, 2004, 2011. 3 out of the 4 victories were in the NLCS to advance to the World Series. The only loss is 2009.

BigRedChief 09-25-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10946202)
Anyways, Dodgers offense is red hot going into this shit. Going to do it again for the 3rd year in a row more then likely. Damn it!

USA Today loves your team. They even put together a list of 17 awesome things about the Dodgers.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/09/los-...st-mlb-awesome

BigRedChief 09-25-2014 01:28 PM

As of today prior to Thursday nights game.

Pirates Win the Division Outright

The Cardinals go 0-3 vs. Arizona and the Pirates go 3-1 or 4-0.

Cardinals Win the Division Outright

The Cardinals go 3-0 (and it doesn’t matter how Pittsburgh finishes because they're eliminated).
The Cardinals finish 2-1 and the Pirates go either 3-1, 2-2, 1-3, or 0-4.
The Cardinals conclude 1-2 and the Pirates finish either 2-2, 1-3, or 0-4.
The Cardinals wrap things up by losing all three against the Diamondbacks and the Pirates go either 1-3 or 0-4.
In point of fact, it doesn’t matter what the Cards do if the Pirates finish either 1-3 or 0-4.

Cardinals and Pirates Tie

The Cards finish 0-3 and the Pirates go 2-2.
The Cardinals go 1-2 and the Pirates finish 3-1.
The Cardinals conclude 2-1 and the Pirates go 4-0.
Any of these three scenarios will result in a Central division tiebreaker at Busch Stadium because the Cardinals bested the Pirates in the teams’ head-to-head season series.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 07:58 PM

**** **** ****.

kcxiv 09-26-2014 08:00 PM

It might not be the Dodgers/Cards again. uh oh.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10950745)
It might not be the Dodgers/Cards again. uh oh.

We'll face the Giants in the WC game and score a run on three hits and get eliminated.

kcxiv 09-26-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10950759)
We'll face the Giants in the WC game and score a run on three hits and get eliminated.

Giants probably have a worse offense then you guys right now. THey been terrible. Plus they just lost Angel Pagan i think, he is the guy they feed off of

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja (Post 10950779)
Giants probably have a worse offense then you guys right now. THey been terrible. Plus they just lost Angel Pagan i think, he is the guy they feed off of

I hate that greasy-ass, Eurotrash-date-rape-looking mother****er.

kcxiv 09-26-2014 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10950916)
I hate that greasy-ass, Eurotrash-date-rape-looking mother****er.

me too, Giants have a bunch of rejects on their team outside of Posey! lol

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 08:46 PM

If I see Peralta pose one more time after hitting a ball that doesn't make it to the track I'm going to ****ing stab him in the dick.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 08:51 PM

Doesn't this guy have like a 11.0 ERA? Lees than 1/2 his pitches have been strikes?

They had better snap the **** out of this BS. Your in the major leagues, how about hitting like at least an average team.:#

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10950759)
We'll face the Giants in the WC game and score a run on three hits and get eliminated.

The Giants might be the only team worse off than us.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:02 PM

JFC. Dribbler up the middle for a hit, then a laser line drive double play.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951151)
JFC. Dribbler up the middle for a hit, then a laser line drive double play.

they got no one to blame but themselves. You rely on batted ball luck to win, your going no where.

This AZ pitcher is horrible. 2 hits in 5 innings?

Wacha has forgot that he has a change up.

This is painful to watch.:doh!:

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:14 PM

Jesus, Matt, grow some ****ing balls.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:16 PM

And now Holliday swings at a 2-0 pitch that was a foot outside and low. Had Carpenter advanced to third he scores easily on that play.

****ing dumb shit baseball.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:18 PM

I could strike out Matt Adams right now. Sixty MPH right at his right shin.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:18 PM

JESUS ****ING CHRIST, CARPENTER. MOTHER****ING RUN!

kcpasco 09-26-2014 09:19 PM

Matt Carpenter is bad at base running.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:22 PM

Peralta bailed him out. That was the worst baserunning I've seen since Joe Thurston, maybe since Suppan in the '04 WS.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:23 PM

1st and 2nd no outs and a 2-0 count and Holliday swings at a fastball way off the plate. GEEEZZZ:doh!:

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:25 PM

Stuff like this is why even if I had the pedigree and acumen to be a MLB manager I couldn't do it.

As soon as Carpenter came back into the dugout I'd pull him into the tunnel and turn his ass to jerky for that baserunning display.

That shit can cost you a championship. Completely unacceptable.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951279)
Stuff like this is why even if I had the pedigree and acumen to be a MLB manager I couldn't do it.

As soon as Carpenter came back into the dugout I'd pull him into the tunnel and turn his ass to jerky for that baserunning display.

That shit can cost you a championship. Completely unacceptable.

WTF was that? This team seems to fear going from 1st to 3rd. But, not going home on an easy to score single. Where was he? I'm watching the AZ broadcast. They didn't show what happened with Carp.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10951307)
WTF was that? This team seems to fear going from 1st to 3rd. But, not going home on an easy to score single. Where was he? I'm watching the AZ broadcast. They didn't show what happened with Carp.

Nothing happened with him after he scored.

He read Adams' basehit like he was baseball illiterate and was dragging his feet like Neville Chamberlain on Jay's.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:35 PM

Nice work, Scroate.

kcpasco 09-26-2014 09:36 PM

Reds are sitting Hamilton Mesoraco and Chapman this weekend. If I'm Mo and Matheny I make a note of that for future years.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951317)
Nothing happened with him after he scored.

He read Adams' basehit like he was baseball illiterate and was dragging his feet like Neville Chamberlain on Jay's.

We should have put up a 10 spot on that pitcher by the 4th inning.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10951336)
Reds are sitting Hamilton Mesoraco and Chapman this weekend. If I'm Mo and Matheny I make a note of that for future years.

Yeah, thats BS. Philly did it the right way. It's respecting the game, not being selfish. If a player is injured or make an injury worse by playing, fine sit em.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10951342)
We should have put up a 10 spot on that pitcher by the 4th inning.

A guy that was a former prized prospect who nearly won a Cy Young at 22, and has declined so far he wasn't claimed after being DFA'd this year?

Yeah. We should have.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcpasco (Post 10951336)
Reds are sitting Hamilton Mesoraco and Chapman this weekend. If I'm Mo and Matheny I make a note of that for future years.

Classic Reds. They've always been bitchmade ****s.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951362)
A guy that was a former prized prospect who nearly won a Cy Young at 22, and has declined so far he wasn't claimed after being DFA'd this year?

Yeah. We should have.

Kershaw and Grienke are going to carve us up.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:45 PM

Matheny brings in maybe our worst bunter to pinch bunt, taking Maness out of the game after he's faced one batter. God, what a moron.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:46 PM

It's really hard to overstate how ****ing stupid this decision is.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951372)
Matheny brings in maybe our worst bunter to pinch bunt, taking Maness out of the game after he's faced one batter. God, what a moron.

How does a speed guy get to the major leagues without being able to bunt? At least be able to bunt as well as the average MLB player.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10951388)
How does a speed guy get to the major leagues without being able to bunt? At least be able to bunt as well as the average MBL player.

It's an almost completely worthless skill, and should be for every position player. The problem isn't Bourjos being a horrible bunter, but Matheny thinking the bunt has utility. If it's not a pitcher, all bunts do is **** things up.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951381)
It's really hard to overstate how ****ing stupid this decision is.

welllll they are playing the worse team in baseball. That will bail out a lot of Matheny poor decisions.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:52 PM

Jesus ****ing Christ, Mike. Enough with the goddamned bunting. Carpenter leads the team in OBP and you're having him show ****ing bunt. My God.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:55 PM

This is why you don't give up outs.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951399)
Jesus ****ing Christ, Mike. Enough with the goddamned bunting. Carpenter leads the team in OBP and you're having him show ****ing bunt. My God.

I don't know. He fakes a bunt many times early in the count. It makes no sense for him to bunt with men on 2nd and 3rd with no outs unless you are going for the squeeze.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 09:56 PM

He needs to apologize to the ump for that.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951408)
He needs to apologize to the ump for that.

Thats bush league. Watch a call go against us this series from this ump.

Pulling Holliday in a 4 run game? Does he have some sort of tweak?

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 10:01 PM

We can't just keep a .225 hitter with no power in the 4th slot and hope he comes out of it after 3 ****ing months. He looks so bad hitting the .225 too. Come on man, drop him in the lineup :doh!:

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10951418)
Thats bush league. Watch a call go against us this series from this ump.

Pulling Holliday in a 4 run game? Does he have some sort of tweak?

Matheny has way too much of a no-hit, all-defense catcher mentality. He thinks that if you load the team up with your best OF in the late innings that balls won't drop. Meanwhile, he just cut the nuts out of the middle of the lineup with nine outs to go.

BigRedChief 09-26-2014 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10951430)
Matheny has way too much of a no-hit, all-defense catcher mentality. He thinks that if you load the team up with your best OF in the late innings that balls won't drop. Meanwhile, he just cut the nuts out of the middle of the lineup with nine outs to go.

I'm assuming he's double switching OT in and putting the pitcher in the 3rd hole. Pinch hit with AJ when it comes up again.

I understand our bullpen has been pretty good but ya never know. 4 run lead with 9 outs to go is not a blow out, even against the worst team in baseball.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 10:08 PM

**** me.

'Hamas' Jenkins 09-26-2014 10:13 PM

I'm going to ****ing kill Matt Carpenter.


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