All I said was that Avery is expendable and Jenkins can fill his role and you got all butthurt saying that despite Jenkins only being in his 2nd year and Avery being 30 years old, that Jenkins doesn't have ANY potential to get any better LMAO

Luck only put up 10 points in first half whats your point?

He doesn't have one, so he is grasping at straws because he is too stubborn to admit that what he saw actually happened. There is too much ego and years of cocksure predictions to change course now.

I got butthurt? Are you a female? You're estrogen levels seem to be peaking here. It's a message board people type responses to other people. How do you know my emotions? Are yours running a little high? Holy Balls man.

Jenkins has shown nothing to suggest he would be a better option than Avery other than being younger. They both have good speed and cutting Avery saves very little money. Avery is also more experienced as a receiver. That's the only point i am making.

Christ. You really do need Twitter to form a coherent opinion, don't you?

When people are losing an argument that they initiated, they resort to projection and damning statements.

Bulley for you.

Nah just another douche in a long line of em.

We are saying the same thing, different rhetoric.

Yes. You are butthurt. Who's the one calling names here like a child? You can't even admit that it's more likely that a first round pick that we traded for who hasn't even had an offseason with the team and is going into his 3rd year will improve his play than a 30 year old journeyman who has a penchant for dropping passes.

At worst, Jenkins is a younger and slightly crappier option than Avery.

How is that relevant?

Regardless, you can't disqualify a score because X happened. There is no logical argument that can be made from that standpoint.

Jenkins = Avery.

Both needs replaced. Neither are the solution to this team.

I think that Jenkins has more potential than whatshisface that we traded away (Yes I know his name, but it's not worth repeating).

Again, show me where i said that Jenkins could never develop or improve? I actually stated that you are assuming he will improve to the point where he is a better option than Avery. I stated that he has shown nothing so far to say that he will. That is a true statement.

If you want to believe that i am butthurt over stating my opinion, then you obviously are female.

Luck blows the doors off KC if he doesn't throw three picks. The defense had no answer for Hilton or any of the other options and the offense couldn't answer with touchdowns in key situations.

Alex's performance in that game is 50% smoke and mirrors based SOLELY on Luck's turnovers.

That's not the point. I agree they both need replaced. I never stated otherwise. I would rather keep Avery in the slot over Jenkins until Jenkins shows more than he has. Which has been absolutely nothing.

They're already pretty much the same player, however one being cheaper and 6 years younger intrinsically means that he has more potential to get better. I don't understand this imaginary pedestal you're putting Avery on.

Post after post you lash out with name calling and you're saying that I'm the one that's making this personal? ROFL

Avery doesn't play in the slot.

The stats say otherwise, but it seemed to me that Avery was the most targeted and productive WR. Jenkins is still young and is going to get big, he's going to be able to wreck some of the smaller quicker defenders. If he gets the right motivation to succeed, he will be good. He was rumored to be lazy in niner camp. I've not really heard anything good bad or neutral about him since he came the KC.

Right... The turnovers lead to 440 yards of offense.

The guy had 3 picks. 1 at the end of the half, which led to nothing. The other two leading to 10 points. So 34 points instead of 44.... Right all smoke and mirrors.

Again, there is no logical argument you can make that says because a score came from a TO, it doesn't count.

Good night sir.

Not that you will pay any attention to this but do you realize that the chiefs are built around the defense and jamal, and the Colts are built around Luck? Smoke and mirrors with out 37 percent of the offense. Debate it.

I don't have to debate anything. You just proved what smart people already know.

Teams that are built around elite QBs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

She sure has a knack for bringing out the alts when she is in dire need of backup.

:banghead: I know Avery doesn't play in the slot. I am assuming that we upgrade the wide receiver position next year. Maybe play Avery in the slot.

It's never personal BTW. I never called you a name until after you claimed i was butthurt for posting a response. I then called you a douche.

Avery and Jenkins obviously have the same skill set, although one is more experienced and the other is younger.

We can assume shit all night long if you would like, but i will take the proven over the unproven.

The cheaper argument holds very little water as cutting Avery saves maybe a million next year. That's pennies.

That you are an insecure simpleton that instead of admitting your mistake, will continue to fight a battle that has long since been lost. They made a movie about you, it was called Hell in the Pacific. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTPd3eOPPNQ

That's fine, and Avery may be the most productive WR, but he also drops a lot of easy passes. There's a reason why he played 4 different teams in 5 years. What the reason is, I have no idea.

And I just see Jenkins the same aspect as Avery is. Neither are the solution to the WR problem. I see both of them as solid depth, can fill in a pinch, but not starter material.

KC needs a WR or a TE that draws a lot of attention, away from Bowe and Charles.

I see five very solid, long drives.

I see two aided by turnovers.

http://i.imgur.com/xEvjM53.jpg

Alex succeeded in this game on his own merits.

I don't understand your understanding of this imaginary pedestal you think i am putting Avery on. How's that?

Don't get me wrong I wasn't praising Avery, everyone dropped a lot of easy passes which still dumbfounds me. I think Charles got so many targets because they were trying to open it up for Bowe, and Bowes' ego took over and he quit trying before they could open it up for him.

All of those drives in the first half.

Everything after the last touchdown was Casselian, don't you deny it.

Like scoring on a turnover is a negative, you cowards.

I'm not flipping the flop. It has to stand for awhile. At least until he blows a game 10 months from now.

Aww.. stupid me... to think that I gave you the benefit of the doubt 10 minutes ago. kek.

Fair is far. He has to play like this consistently. If this is a fluke, **** him.

Well yes, he needs to win games in the future. no ****ing shit.

But he doesn't have anything to prove to anyone but you. And you are isolating yourself for attention, because any attention, negative attention, is good attention for you. Nobody likes an attention whore.

Not sure if serious.

I'm just trying to explain my position.

I am feeling good about our QB for the first time in a long time.

I hope he continues to give me warm fuzzies.

Is this all Alex Smiths fault yet?

Don't keep me up worrying, just spill the beans.

Alex will improve.

Look at his jump in level of play between 2011 and 2012 in SF going into his second year in the same system.

He went from 61.3% completion to 70.2%.
His ypa went from 7 to 8
His touchdowns went from 17 in 16 games in 2011 to 13 in only a little over 9 games in 2012.
His total QBR went up from 47.3 all the way up to 69.4...his QBR this year was 49.4...

This all goes back to the quote DJs left nut has posted a few times from Urban Meyer about Alex Smiths ability to raise his play significantly once he fully masters the playbook.

I think we are in for a big year from Alex Smith in 2014...no, a HUGE year.

Hmmm. I dunno. I think in a few days when people realize how many injuries the chiefs had, they may calm down. Safety Te wr. Must be addressed

I feel good about these things happening.

I'm not sure if that means they're going to happen, though.

Add corner to that list

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
A. Smith 30/46 378 8.2 4 0 2-15 81.9 119.7

Did he win the game?

Would it matter to you?

Yes. Generally, when a team I like wins a game, especially a post season contest, it matters to me.

I think that you would move the goal posts and complain either way.

He was pissing me off in the first half :grr:

Great post.

Would read again.

That was almost a career game for Alex. Far more impressive than the 5 TD game. Alex played like a top tier QB today. This loss is all on the defense, or maybe some on Reid's clock management.

Anybody who blames Alex for this loss is either stupid or trolling. He was lights out today.

44 points should never be a loss. Never. The reason you want an elite QB is just to put up the big points when needed. Alex did just that today. What else could he have done besides play strong safety?

Sorry, but when you go into the locker room up 21 to 3, then lose -- that is the defenses failure to hold the lead. You post 44 points in a game and lose -- that is 100% on the defense. Period, end of discussion!

That second half was an absolute abortion for the entire team- Alex chief among them.

But he did! He posted 44 points. If you lost 95 to 94, would you still be saying the same thing?

How many points does the defense get to give up with impunity?

Andrew Luck will be the best quarterback in the NFL before too long.

That's funny, that's not what people were saying when we were 9-0.
This thread is beyond crazy. People actually blaming Smith, yet the leader of the Smith haters (Clay) has turned around. Amazing, this thread is ****ing amazing.

Clay is trolling the board. He doesn't actually believe the stuff he's been saying since 3pm CST

You are missing the point.

You come out of the locker room up 21-3 and run the score up to 44 points, and you should win the game.

If you lose, it is ONLY because your defense allowed 42 points in the 2nd half.

That is absolutely unforgivable. Heads roll for playoff defensive breakdowns like this.

Hey, first post. Really don't understand the hate against Smith. What have the 49ers done since they traded Smith? Did they win the SB? I don't think so. Smith has been to the playoffs twice since he started playing well. He outplayed Drew Brees with one capable receiver (Davis), then he was close to going to the SB, if not for two costly fumbles by his kick returner.

Now against Colts he was pulling rabbits out of his hat when players kept going down and he kept making plays. I don't know how much more you can ask from a QB. Now if he had a terrible game and the Colts came back, then it would've been on Smith. But Hilton was wide open on every single pass play during the second half and unfortunately Smith can't go out there and cover guys.

And anyone who says these words: "well a great QB like Manning would never lose with a lead like that." He just did, in New England. And he didn't have 4 TD's in that game and he didn't play well.

All KC needs is to get healthy. They played good D early in the season and their offense is clearly good enough. Not much you can do when you lose half the lineup during the game and put up 44 on the road and still lose.

And it was the Colt's only play-maker that the defense let toast them.

Brazill Fleener Rogers Whalen

Rogers made the 1 big catch when the DB stupidly tried to catch instead of the simple knock away.

It was TY TY TY on the fumble bounce TD drive.
And TY as well on the huge TD pass.

It would be different if Donald Brown busted a beast-mode run for 50+. Or if the Colts pulled off a crazy flea-flicker or HB pass.

It was just flat out piss poor defense.

First post as well. The game still hurts As hell. On the bright side, we have found our QB for the foreseeable future.

Six, SIX points scored in the final 28 minutes. One, ONE long sustained drive in the final 28 minutes.

When your defense starts leaking that badly, a QB worth his chops puts a long TD drive together to stem the tide. A. Smith could not do that.

Alex Smith is the least of our worries at this point.

You are reeruned.

Astounding retort, sir.

Generally, I read through the entire thread before responding, but I just have to stop here.

You are not wrong.
Losing a 28 point lead is a failure on the part of both the offense and the defense.

But is the failure on offense Smith's fault or Reid's?

I look at the playcalling, and while he didn't run the ball, he did become extremely conservative in the passing game, effectively playing not to lose, and in essense tying Smith's hands, who had made play after play, after play to build that lead.

Smith should have won this game.
Reid and the defense lost it.

Lets do away with the moronic simpleton buzz words and phrases and get to substance.

After Smith draws the Defender up-field and makes the TD pass on 3rd down.

COLTS
TOUCHDOWN 80 yards, 1:52 elapsed

KC
32 yards, 2:47 elapsed
*Hist worst play of the game. Mathis strips him.

COLTS
TOUCHDOWN 41 yards, 1:28 elapsed

KC
3 plays, 5 yards, 1:34 elapsed
*2 runs and Bowe can't hold on to a 3rd down conversion.

COLTS
1 play, 0:06 elapsed
*The INT that TY Hilton handed to KC

KC
FIELD GOAL 4 plays, 4 yards, 1:32 elapsed
*Short completion, Knile no gain, incomplete pass

COLTS
TOUCHDOWN
80 yards, 1:41 elapsed

KC
6 plays, 40 yards, 2:44 elapsed
*Misses Gray 60/40 on who you want to blame on overthows/RB coasting down the sideline

COLTS
TOUCHDOWN
90 yards, 4:02 elapsed

KC
11 plays, 58 yards, 5:02 elapsed

COLTS
TOUCHDOWN
80 yards, 1:15 elapsed

KC
Final drive.
*Bowe is nudged can't keep his foot inbounds. Most likely win if he does.


COLTS scored 5 TDs in 10 minutes and 18 seconds

1 point every 17.7 seconds they had the ball.

Actually, I'm not sure I wouldn't give Jenkins a real opportunity to compete for that 3rd receiver position with McCluster.

We saw on 2 different 3rd down plays what real speed there can do.

Jenkins is maturing and looking more comfortable. I expect big things from him next year. Love his speed.

I used to think you were a coward...no you are just a ****ing moron

The RB carries in the 2nd half...

K.Davis 3 yards
K.Davis 4 yards
K.Davis 2 yards
K.Davis no gain
K.Davis 2 yards
K.Davis 5 yards
C.Gray 2 yards
D.McCluster 3 yards
C.Gray 3 yards

The offense was able to get passes to Bowe late in the game, 2 were not caught that could of gotten more points/won the game.

Despite the lame running attack after the Colts adjusted for not having to contain the game break potential of Charles.

Despite the injuries that had KC having to shuffle the sub packages and trying to manufacture something with their role players or 3rd stringers.

Clearly, having Charles would of made no difference in this game what so ever.

Clearly losing Knile, who was playing like a MAN POSSESSED, running over dbs, and running like Bo Jackson, and having to rely on special teams ace, and rarely used Cyrus Gray, made no difference.

Viper, you have known me for a long time. People will see what they want to see.

If you can boil down this loss to two plays, that is pretty sad.

That's what we are left to deal with.

Oh you mean a QB like Manning? Like he did in New England this season? The only problem they had in the second half was the playcalling. Of course one healthy rb and more than one receiver would've helped too. There's only one QB in the league who can take castoffs and journeymen and win games with no talent, and he plays for Patriots. And even Brady can't do it in the playoffs with no help.

And if you really fault your QB after that game last night, I suggest you follow another sport, as you clearly have no clue about football.

You're right...he couldn't..after losing his #1 and #2 HBs...his only deep threat receiving option and a drop by Bowe that would have breathed life into the game when all else was loss (that isn't to say that Bowe didn't play well yesterday..he did with the exception of maybe two key plays).

Alex is the first QB in the history of the NFL to play as well as he did and still lose the play-off game. If you can't understand that he is the only reason the game was close in the first place, then god help you.

This.....Smith has gotten better and more comfortable all season. Yesterday when they let him loose (like Milkman is saying) he was a stud.

When Andy decided to go conservative instead of for the throat, we lost.

Watching Andy yesterday was like watching Pinkel all the time....you know they are so conservative that eventually they let the other team catch up. The difference is that luckily for Pinkel on Friday night HIS DEFENSE came up with the big play when it was needed.

Our Defense pissed down it's leg.

No its mine too. Good news is your young and still have time to get smarter.

Alex Smith may put up big numbers the next few years being a coach on the field in Reid's offense as long as the O-line doesn't regress. He had a pretty good 2nd half of the year with less than a stellar receiving corps.

I think there will be a lot of turnover on the roster with the exception of QB.

I think there is a lot of truth to what you just said.

I think we can also drop the Game Manager label from Alex Smith as well.

Losing Charles, Davis and Avery probably had little impact on the offense's ability to score. :thumb:

Not to say that the rest of what you said isn't true...but scoring and play calling don't live in a vacuum.