1 good year in 100 is better than none. But good luck!

Good luck on what? My primary team is ND who has accomplished more in CFB last year than KU ever has. Good luck on being relevant again one day.

PB and bambi in this thread.

LMAO

Believes what to be true?

That a BCS trophy you won when the recruit was 8 years old and followed it up with a decade of abject misery means jack and shit to said recruit?

No, I guarantee you I'm not alone in this.

I'm sorry, but today's 10 yr olds aren't going to give a rip about the trophy you guys won back when your conference still had 12 teams and the BCS was considered a legitimate entity any more than they'll care about the Orange Bowl that Mizzou won before the BCS existed.

Not really. Like I said a new recruit could care less what any team did 5 years ago when they were still in middle school. All they care about is the here and now, how much playing time they are going to get, and how much money you are going to pay them.

Everyone knows the bowls are staying but the championship game will be decided like the Final Four is.

Good luck on being relevant one day.

I'm just happy my school is on one side of the fence and well, yours isn't.

So if I understand the batshit argument of the day...
A) wins and losses, as well as recruit rankings, are no proof that KU hasn't done shit to build off their bullshit BCS appearance.

And

B) once they are at some level above "absolute embarrassment," all KU has to do is point to said bullshit BCS bid to make them nationally relevant.


Once again, records don't mean shit.

Here's the funny thing - if you remove the editorializing, your statement is a 100% accurate re-statement of their position and still equally absurd. Witness:

That is as completely benign as you can make that statement and it perfectly mirrors what they're saying right now.

And it's absolutely ****ing insane.

Insane indeed.

No, the lesson of the day is that MU desperately wants a BCS game, which they should because they are awesome.

Some here attempt to diminish them simply because it is an accomplishment that KU has over them in football. It's one of the themes of these threads that we've come to know and love.

And others choose to vastly overstate their impact because it's the only accomplishment that KU has over them in football.

Yet another theme we've all become quite familiar with...

MU "desperately" wants the best bowl game it can get to, just like every team every year. Has nothing to do with Kansas.
MU FANS want KU idiots to choke on vomit due to their smugness about going to a bowl they didn't deserve. MU fans also realize that soon the BCS will be about as relevant as Fox's glowing puck, New Coke, and Charlie Weis' gastric bypass procedure.

nah there are others. KU has more in the Football Hall of Fame.

MU has more bowls and all time wins.

MU won the Big 8 12 times, KU only 5. Neither has won the Big 12.

Last time either won a conference title was in the 60's.

Last time Kansas finished ahead of Mizzou in the Big 12 was never.

Robert Griffin III seems to have remembered that he's a Big 12 QB.

Correct. And head to head the record is nearly identical so it's tough to judge really who's "better". KU is admittedly a basketball school and is forced to share it's resources with another BCS level school in KSU whereas MU doesn't have to worry about this.

Missouri also has 3 times the population of Kansas so the recruiting advantages are much larger for MU.

Sounds like Blaine Gabbert's pathetic career is finally coming to a close.

http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville...ra-nearly-over

Sounds like Mizzou can get any stiff of a QB into the NFL...not a bad recruiting tool.

Smith
Daniel
Gabbert

Mizzou got all of them into the NFL

career with the Jags you mean. He'll be on an NFL bench somewhere.

You would have thought there would have been a conf championship, BCS game or Heisman in there with all those QBs.

That's a nonsense argument that I've heard for decades. Kansas blows MU out in revenue generation and the school until recently (2005 ish onward?) used to be a complete afterthought in the state. They compete with 5 pro teams anyway.

Mizzou home game:

http://media.columbiamissourian.com/..._w600_h475.jpg


http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1d82...-Wes-Clark.jpg

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/YzKRTqlASpA/hqdefault.jpg

The funny thing is...Mizzou still ranked 29th in home basketball attendance out of 345 teams. When I say that people don't really care about basketball, particularly when there is still football being played, maybe you should listen.

The average D-1 basketball game played last year averaged fewer than 5,000 fans...and the numbers are declining.

WTF are you talking about? Again, your CFB team is an afterthought and will continue to be so regardless of who you bring in.

kansas home game against top 25 conference opponent.

First Big 12 game of the season too. Had not even been slapped in the face by reality yet.

http://worldonline.media.clients.ell...cf7613005fe067

If there was a 4-point buck roaming around the top of Mizzou Arena, would anyone even notice it?

If you're trying to prove that basketball simply isn't important when compared to football, you're doing a great job.

It certainly isn't very popular at Mizzou. But I will note that again, not entirely the fans fault for not buying a bad product.

It's good to see you guys have finally got everything all figured out and came to an agreement.

Good work.

Here's a trivia question. Who has more BCS bowl wins? Kansas or Notre Dame?

The BCS bowls are the Fiesta, Sugar, Orange, and Rose.

Notre Dame has won six of those. They have won each st least once. They also declined to play in bowls between 1925 and 1969.

Anything that happened before the BCS is irrelevant.

Please note, however, that when there's a new system in place, the BCS history will still be relevant....but again, nothing before the BCS will be.

It's really sad watching them flog this horse.

Alliance bowls, tho

Notre Dame has also been to a BCS Championship game. Kansas has not. I can't believe you are trying to compare KU football to ND Football. ND other than last year has been down since 1988 and they have still accomplished more than KU ever has or ever will. This with far higher academic standards than KU could ever dream of.

Real quick question. UF has more basketball championships in the past 15 years than KU, are they the better program? Your argument is flawed and continues the trend of why almost everyone on here considers you a moron and troll.

Based off of that I think Mizzou has more than KU as well. He holds on to the Orange Bowl that his team did not deserve because that is all KU football has or will most likely ever have. It is sad to see.

Yet you still don't have one.

I wonder if Kim English still thinks Jeff Withey can't play in the NBA?

How's Europe bitch?

Don't have one what? Since you clearly ignored almost the entire post and "conveniently" chose not to answer my question. Maybe you will answer this one.

Excuse you, but Kansas undeniably deserved their BCS bid. Historical revision only makes you look foolish. 10 bcs slots, KU was 8th overall in the rating and 5th in the computer. Unarguable.


It sucks for Mizzou because they also deserved one. Their ire should be directed solely at Illinois since they did not deserve the Rose.

Every at large BCS team from that year has gotten theirs with the exception of Georgia.

Kansas, Hawaii, Illinois...what a bunch of train wrecks

Hell, USC, Virginia Tech, and WVU (especially WVU) have all been in decline. Even Oklahoma has become just another good but not great program.

Illinois had nothing to do with it. The rule limits each conference to two teams. The Big 12 deserved three that year. The SEC deserves four this year.

Irrelevant. Kansas deserved their BCS bid, period.

Making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year from playing basketball while living in Italy sounds awful.

Nice burn bro.

1. KU did not deserve a BCS bid over Missouri. Missouri got punished for losing a conference championship. KU neither played in that game nor won the H2H over Missouri. No way KU deserved it more (except in the minds of Jayhawk fans).

2. The Rose Bowl always hosts the Big 10 vs Pac-10 (now Pac-12) champs unless one of those plays in the BCS championship game. I am not 100% sure but I am pretty sure that is true even if the Rose Bowl hosts the BCS Championship game. Illinois played in that game because tOSU played for the NC.

3. Illinois did not screw Mizzou out of a game that, unless they were playing for the NC, they can never and will never be eligible for as they are in neither the Pac-12 or Big 10.

Mizzou, keepin it classy as always.

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...pse009f163.png

It's relevant to the stupidity of your "blame Illinois" comment. Kansas deserved a BCS bid...just not over Mizzou. Oklahoma, Mizzou, and Kansas all deserved bids. Hawaii and Illinois didn't. It's a stupid system, and it's gone after this season.

It's not "rip his ****ing head off", but it's pretty bad.

Illinois only got it because tOSU played in the NC Game. They went to a bowl that OU, KU, and MU are not even eligible for. Regardless of whether they deserved it or not, Illinois got it because they represented the Big 10 in a game that always pits the Big-10 vs the Pac-10 (now Pac-12). They did not steal a spot from MU. Now Hawaii is a different story.

I really couldn't care less at this point. It's 2013 and Mizzou is one of give teams with a realistic path to the national title. We need one of two teams to lose a game. Other than that, we control our own destiny.

Beyond that, the future looks bright. Less than 10 wins next year would be a disappointment considering what we bring back.

Does anyone know what UCF brings back next year, btw?

True as there are only four teams in front of Missouri. Two play this weekend and tOSU faces a tough Michigan State team. If they lose that and Missouri wins out they could be facing FSU for a NC.

Pretty much the whole team.

Our schedule next year is very interesting.

FCS team at home

Toledo on the road could be a tough test

UCF at home will be a bitch. They seem to be bringing back everyone unless Bortles declares for the draft.

Indiana in Columbia should be a win.

At South Carolina will be huge, but they lose Shaw and Clowney

After the bye, we get Georgia at home. They lose Murray. It will be a tough game, but we should be favored.

If we can get through those games with no more than one loss, we should be in great shape to win the East again.

Florida is going to be better, but we should still win at the Swamp.

Vandy and Kentucky at home should be wins.

We get a bye before going to aTm. I don't know what to make of that game. They won't have Manziel, and they might not have Evans or even Sumlin. That's a coin flip.

Tennessee and Arkansas to finish up should be wins.

If we can win at South Carolina, the East is there for the taking.

Ah yes, "rip his ****ing head off" is the same thing as chanting about cum farts and rubbing rabbit fur on your cock every night.


"We just want to make sure everyone is representing the university with class," said Alden

:LOL:

Juuuuuust about three decades too late on this one.

I'd say "rip his ****ing head off" is plenty bad. It's bad enough that Mangino had to do a PSA on the video board asking fans not to do it.

Blaine should have stayed another year, but who would look good with the Jaguars?

He's only 24. I'm sure he will get another shot somewhere.

He's right. Jeff Withey can't play in the NBA. He's getting 6 minutes a game on the worst team in the league.

There's a good chance that English plays more career NBA minutes than Jeff Withey does.

EDIT: In games he plays, he gets roughly 6 minutes. He only plays in about half the games. So really, he's getting 3 minutes/gm. So yeah, I don't imagine English's opinion on Withey has changed much.

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You're arguing tangential points and avoiding the concept f "deserving" something. Just because the rule screwed Mizzou, that has zero bearing on whether they or KU were deserving or not. And the Rose has no requirement to take a BIG team, it was simply their choice and they chose IL over Mizzou and Kansas. IL took a spot belonging to both Mizzou and Kansas, period.

Ok then I'll stipulate that, I won't disagree. Sucks Mizzou got screwed, and I'm sure you'd have felt the same had Kansas got screwed in lieu.

LOL WUT? The Rose bowl has pitted the PAC-10(now PAC-12) champ vs the Big 10 champ for decades. The only reason why tOSU did not go was because they were in the NC game. So the Rose took the second best team in the Big 10.

I am not arguing that KU did not deserve a BCS bid. What I am arguing is that they deserved it over a clearly superior Mizzou team.

I'll have to see evidence that they were required in any way to take Illinois. I said it was a choice. Are you arguing taking Mizzou or Kansas wasn't allowed?


"Superior"? Lol. Mizzou was 4th in the BCS computer composite KU was 5th. You've got a deranged definition of the term.

Kansas would also have been screwed by that rule. They were certainly more deserving than Illinois.

Not giving evidence for you as this is your thing. You make some stupid statement and when someone calls you out on it you demand proof. All I will say is the Rose ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS takes a Pac team and a Big 10 team. ALWAYS. Unless you can show proof of a time this did not happen then this discussion is pointless.

Also one team won the Big 12 North, played in the Big 12 Championship game and won the head to head matchup against the other team. Which team was that? KU coasted to that ranking while beating no one and when they finally played a good team they got beat on a national stage. With their record they deserved a BCS game, but to think that Missouri was not the superior team in spite of everything that proves otherwise is foolish.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...delany-big-ten

The Big 10 champ has gone to the Rose Bowl since the 40s. Anybody with a basic understanding of college football knows this. The only change that has ever been made to this was with the berth of the BCS, where the 2nd best team in the Big 10 is contractually tied to the Rose Bowl unless a 'higher ranking' bowl takes that team first, at which time the tie-in with the Big 10 is gone outright. (This has happened once)

But leave it to your dumb ass to not know any of this and demand others do your home work for you.

You are militantly uninformed.

Thank you for doing what I refused to do for him.

Damn, its time for the ku trolls to sit the next few plays out.

Mizzou can't win in the SEC.

Idiot.

He's out of the league.

They weren't required it is just their preference when possible to keep the RB as Big Ten/PAC10/12.

And?

What's Kim English's ability to play in the league have to do with his assessment that Withey can't? He's right - Withey isn't an NBA basketball player.

And right now English has about 400 career NBA minutes on his ledger. Jeff Withey, through 14 team games, has 43. So at this pace Jeff Withey will have to be on an NBA roster for 130 games.

That could happen, but I wouldn't put an appreciable amount of money on it.

Jeff will be joining English in Europe soon enough.

Furthermore, there is a rule is that no league can have more than 2 teams in the BCS. So it is not possible for OU/MU/KU to have received bids regardless of Ill's fate.

The antlers are ****ing hilarious. I know most of you dumb****s would complain about it if they weren't mizzou though

I didn't know that...

Jeff Withey will play in the NBA for ten years. He puts up great numbers for the time he's in and he's a rookie. Maybe you don't know how this NBA thing works. Kim English won't play. Jeff Withey will. When you play 7 minutes and in that 7 minutes get 2 rebounds, 3 points, a steal and an assist you get more minutes and you don't get cut.

That's how it works. If you're 7 feet tall, can block shots and make free throws and get rebounds and make smart passes you will come off the bench in the NBA.

Screw Kim English and his delusions of grandeur.

Withey is a stiff and will be around for a while. He won't be good, but he is tall.