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I'm not sure, are the people crying about Fisher right now Geno Smith cum guzzlers?
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And here is a nice concept people should realize. It is entirely possible for something to be both Albert and Alex's fault.
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This also goes back to Training Camp, when the only thing you were hearing was that Fisher was getting ****ed up all over the place. Then you watch it and realize there's plenty of plays where he is more than holding his own. It's just misleading. I'd rather see a video of every Fisher pass protection play than just the gifs of his lowlights. |
Isn't Geno starting the next game for the Jets?
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Hey Clay, Geno looked horrible in practice. 3 INT's in one practice and the coach calling him out.
I know for damn sure that you're not just going to ignore that shit. |
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Says a lot about their plans for him. if he plays well he will start week one id bet. |
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Yet, Eric Fisher is the injury prone one. |
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It's hard to suck that bad. |
Let's trade Albert to SF for another shitty Receiver!/Lil Chiefy
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If he sucks this bad on a consistent basis next month, then I'll start to worry. Until then, relax.
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This thread is hot tonight, boyo.
It's like Eric Fisher put on his best **** me pumps, a couple of push up bras and went out to a hot new club to get free drinks from horny homers. |
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He cannot continue to play this badly and us have a hope of making the playoffs. I'm not exactly optimistic about him, but I'm hoping it was just the whole offensive line not being prepared for a beastly defense. |
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1) Sign Matt Moore instead of trading two seconds for Alex Smyth and cut Matt Cassel. 2) Trade down to 12 with Miami, adding another second rounder. 3) Draft EJ Manuel, Geno Smith. depending on who interviewed/worked out the best. Not who I thought would be an immediate impact quarterback, but who I thought had the highest achievable ceiling. 4) take Robert Woods with our second rounder to help give our drafted quarterback a chance with two good receivers. 5) Draft Margus Hunt with our traded for second rounder from Miami 6) I like the Travis Kelce pick, so I'll actually keep that one at the top of the third. 7) Alex Okeafor with the comp third. 8) Nico Johnson with the fourth 9) coupled my 5 and 7th rounders to move up to take Marcus Lattimore 10) Bacardi Rambo in the 6th 11) Tyler Bray with the 6th comp pick As far as FA goes, I am OK with Sean Smith, Fasano, Hussein, Devito, Jordan and Avery. I would still have my second rounder next year and would be VERY excited about the short and long term future of this team. How's that? |
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Lets get something really clear. Im not trying to justify anything. Just because he isn't mowing down an entire defense by himself after not even a full games worth of professional action, doesn't in any way shape or form mean he is a "project". He is transitioning. I stated this before. In Joe Thomas' very first NFL regular season game as a professional gave up 4 sacks by himself against the Steelers in a 34-7 home loss. Now, this is one of the BEST 3 Tackles in the league. So I guess with the logic being displayed here, he was a project pick as well. |
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This front office will be judged on the QB we have in year 3, and the QBs we passed on. Period. The Smith trade. Passing on Geno. Etc... None of that matters, even the trade value, if we have a franchise QB in 3 year, even if by some miracle, that ends up being Alex Smith. Quote:
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I don't care to hear anything from you. You aren't anywhere near as smart as you think you are in football terms, you are condescending and then pull the "I want to keep this about football only" card constantly, you are a quitter, you don't have any ability to be interesting and your only redeemable quality is that you served in the military, but the loads of other stuff about you personally cancelled that positive out and swung the pendulum the other way.
Nobody here respects you or your takes because we are all loyal fans of a team that is normally bad, but we stick through thick and thin, and you jump ship whenever you decide the weather changes. The saddest part? You are only here because you are Alex Smiths personal condom/dicksock. Get lost. |
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The part I don't is that Alex needs to "hit the ground running" it's not like the guy has a 10 year window here. His window of effectiveness is likely 4-6 years (max) For the trade to be a success, it needs to happen QUICKLY. Remember, this was a "win right now" move. |
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It's a lot more enticing than going 8-8 with Alex Smith. |
Matt Moore has a winning record starting for talentless teams.
He had a 98+ rating in 2009 87+ rating in 2011 96+ rating in 2012 He has never played on a team with as much talent as we have in KC, either. A quarterback like that coupled with a drafted quarterback >>>> Alex Smith and Chase Daniel. |
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But yeah... I don't think his window is 5 years and I don't think he wins us a Super Bowl. I'm only happy with the Alex Smith trade if he gets us winning again and we have a different QB in 3 years, unless he makes a big transformation. |
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That's dogshit. We can do better, and you know it. I'm willing to punt this one away and try again next year. One year doesn't make a ****ing difference when you're trying to build a dynasty and make the entire country forget that the Chiefs ever sucked this much shit for so long. |
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All I wanted to see was a QB making some plays and showing some long-term potential by December. We aren't going to see that for at least three years now. |
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Arrowhead is deflated. Players don't want to come here anymore. And yes, the Chiefs spent a shitload of non-cap money on coaches and front office. They should have some need to make that money back. I don't blame Clark Hunt if his directive is to win games ASAP, even if you're not a real Super Bowl team. What matters is if we stubbornly stick to this team and say a playoff win or two is good enough. Alex Smith was the best safe option out there. He can definitely lead us to a playoff win. To win super bowls, we need to do better. I'll give this front office a year or 2 to figure that out. |
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A team with Matt Moore and two second round talents is better than Alex without those players. Both scenarios have replaceable quarterbacks, but one scenario has two additional quality players on it when the QB is replaced. |
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My opinion of him has dropped like a rock since preseason started. |
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Arrowhead is probably permanently deflated, and I think it has to do with the fact that there aren't enough people in KC rich enough to blow that much money on attending a game in an era when you can watch that shit nearly ANYWHERE. You don't even need cable TV to do it. I'm not from Kansas City. I haven't been to a game in Arrowhead since 2003. Clark Hunt may worry about filling the stadium, but what REALLY matters is growing out your product. People become fans of teams when they have STARS. That's how the Packers are able to make it in tiny ass Green Bay, WI. They have stars. They invest in those stars. And when their stars get old, they go out and get MORE stars. Alex Smith is not a star. He's an insult. And that's why nobody will ever give a shit about the Chiefs, which DRAMATICALLY affects the dollars and cents. |
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I was not impressed with Alex Smith either. But he is clearly a bubble playoff QB who is a longshot to do anything big in the playoffs. |
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And I also think preseason games aren't as meaningless as people believe them to be where individual players are concerned. Preseason meant a LOT last year. |
I've talked about this a few times in other threads.
The reason Chiefs' fans didn't care about the 2010 Chiefs is because of Pioli's reeruned media blackout. The team was impossible to like. Charismatic guys like Bowe were forced to give canned answers to the media. That may not matter to you, but it matters to the true fans. And Alex Smith is going to be a popular player among true fans. I can guarantee you that with the media blitz they've pulled, if this team wins games, Arrowhead will be back. I hope we don't fall into the same dumb trap of settling for happy fans but medium team. But it will be good to get some excitement at Arrowhead again. Quote:
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Also, have you guys never heard vet Olinemen talk about why they don't like the preseason? It's b/c the majority of vets in the trenches have an understanding that they aren't going fill speed. Then you always have young guys coming in trying to price something, and that's when guys get hurt. I'm much less worried about Albert b/c I'm not altogether sure he was playing to his usual standard. I am though worried about this lines lack of knowledge passed down by the coaches of the blocking scheme. Especially with Allen, Fisher and Hudson. These guys have less experience, and the two vets probably don't know if they can even trust then enough TO hand of blockers to them. Then there is Fisher's lack of ability. At times his footwork looks labored, and his leverage socks. I hope to hell that it is his hand. |
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The thing that bothers me about that is he lacks the athletic ability to make up for it against a pretty average pass rusher. 1.1 |
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I don't feel good watching him favor it, hurt it in the game, then go spend time with an ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON on the sideline, and not come back in. |
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Funny that fisher is injury prone. I guess geno smith and Mingo just had freak injuries. |
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I'm not saying there isn't cause for concern here, but come on, people. Your reaction should never be larger than the sample size. |
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Even then, there'd better not be any playmakers worthy of even a top 10 pick. Wasn't the case this past draft, as Tavon Austin and Dee Milliner went in the top 10. Even with all that, the left tackle position is still increasingly irrelevant by the year as teams continue to move their best pass rushers to the right side of the field and statistics show that quarterback performance doesn't significantly differ whether pressure is coming from the left or the right. The last five Super Bowl winners did it with mediocre left tackles and half-decent O-lines at best. So really, there's no justifying the Fisher pick in the modern NFL, and it especially looks bad because he's so raw and playing horribly in both training camp and preseason. |
^ people get so stupid over this 1st overall pick issue. This was one of those underwhelming drafts where there really was no clear #1 overall pick. Many felt that the top 2 players were Fisher and Joeckel. It's been two preseason games, and people are crying, JFC. Not the sexy pick, but building in the trenches is not a bad thing. If you can't protect your QB or open lanes for your RB, then you are handicapping your two key players on offense... and you DO want a better offense, right?
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There's still time for him to turn into the most nastiest, soul eating OT of all time. Which is pretty much what he'll need to be at some point. Just wish the arrow was pointing up early on. |
People are implying that it was mostly Alex Smith's fault Friday. Let's take a look at what actually happened.
-No Charles. -Bowe double covered. -OL getting pushed back into the QB. -Kelce and Baldwin dropping passes they should have caught. -Rookie RB looking decent but not that great. -Baldwin not getting separation or turning head for the ball. Alex wasn't the factor like people are proclaiming. He was a part of many factors. |
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It was the absolute worst case scenario for the Chiefs. They were damned if they did, and damned if they didn't, and had they drafted Milliner, people would of crushed them for taking another corner after spending so much in free agency on the position. The only possible outcome that would of made people happy were to reach for a qb, or to take Austin. It sucks. |
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Would you consider that a Super Bowl challenging team? I'm not crazy about Alex smith, but if they didnt like any if the qbs in this class, they didnt like them. It is what it is |
This thread will be pure gold by December.
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But again... This idea that fisher is a better draft pick if he succeeds right away is total crap. If he does really well after struggling nobody will care about a year or so of struggles, just as most people have become supportive of Brandon Albert. |
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When the Chiefs go nickel, that's going to be a huge weakness with Robinson back there... one that is largely preventing this defense from gaining elite status. |
I'm more upset that they didnt take Richardson than not taking a qb at 1.
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It's good to take raw players in that area. Look at Jason Pierre-Paul. Hell, even Dontari Poe. It shows that the team is willing to roll the dice. It's not the same thing as taking a player like that at #1 overall. |
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As far as actual play; he was an average RT. Don't know that he would have been cut if he'd have shut his mouth. |
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