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Mecca 01-04-2009 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5356942)
I can't believe after people clamoring for this guy for about 3-4 years, many thinking it was a pipe dream, myself included... it's now a legitimate possibility the Chiefs will hire the guy once considered the best up and coming GM in the game, and most have soured on him because he might hire Kirk Ferentz as coach.
That Ferentz thing doesn't really scare me, just as many coordinators have failed as college coaches, if he feels comfortable with the guy so far his judgment has been fine.

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:32 PM
I didn't like Ferentz at first as a head coach...but I watched Iowa in their bowl game and they looked like a very well coached team.

Anything has to be better than Herm.

FloridaMan88 01-04-2009 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5356942)
I can't believe after people clamoring for this guy for about 3-4 years, many thinking it was a pipe dream, myself included... it's now a legitimate possibility the Chiefs will hire the guy once considered the best up and coming GM in the game, and most have soured on him because he might hire Kirk Ferentz as coach.
Many of the same reports that reported this so called Pioli-Ferentz "pact" were the same reports that seemed to suggest Pioli going to Cleveland was all but a done deal.

DeezNutz 01-04-2009 06:32 PM
Are there any hardcore Iowa fans on the board that might be able to give some insight on Ferentz?

I know, I know, we all wish that htimsiasdkfaj;lsd were here, but, alas...

Bowser 01-04-2009 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5356942)
I can't believe after people clamoring for this guy for about 3-4 years, many thinking it was a pipe dream, myself included... it's now a legitimate possibility the Chiefs will hire the guy once considered the best up and coming GM in the game, and most have soured on him because he might hire Kirk Ferentz as coach.
I'm just sour on the idea of having Kirk Ferentz as coach of the Chiefs, not about the possiblities of Pioli of GM.

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:33 PM
Plus they run a pro style offense that features a power running game and lots and lots of play-action...something I like.

Ferentz seems like a smart guy though...

Mecca 01-04-2009 06:33 PM
Ferentz was in the NFL before he was in college so it's not like he's a straight college guy...

Basileus777 01-04-2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356966)
Many of the same reports that reported this so called Pioli-Ferentz "pact" were the same reports that seemed to suggest Pioli going to Cleveland was all but a done deal.
Yep, you can't trust the media on stuff like this. Most of the time they are just talking out of their asses.

the Talking Can 01-04-2009 06:34 PM
i welcome change

bring it

BigRedChief 01-04-2009 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356870)

The Chiefs are also in an enviable salary-cap situation, with at least $30 million of room to maneuver, and I don't think it hurts one bit that Pioli's wife was born and still has family in the Wichita, Kan., area. From a lifestyle perspective, Kansas City might be a better fit for Pioli than even Cleveland.
Isn't that Bill Parcells daughter? Is Bill from Witchita?

Thig Lyfe 01-04-2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5356939)
You think they listed every player he's excited about?
He only likes players named Brandon (or Branden).

FloridaMan88 01-04-2009 06:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5356961)
but I watched Iowa in their bowl game and they looked like a very well coached team.
It was hard to tell considering the mess they were facing in Spurrier's South Carolina team.

Thig Lyfe 01-04-2009 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5356988)
Isn't that Bill Parcells daughter? Is Bill from Witchita?
Yeah, he played linebacker at WSU back when they had a football program.

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:35 PM
I mean...at least we can say one thing about Carl...the cap situation this team was left in might be the #1 reason we get Pioli...

tk13 01-04-2009 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356966)
Many of the same reports that reported this so called Pioli-Ferentz "pact" were the same reports that seemed to suggest Pioli going to Cleveland was all but a done deal.
I know Ferentz isn't the most exciting choice... I do think I'd rather have him than McDaniels. But if Pioli does as good as everyone thinks he will by feeding his coach good players, that might make a bigger difference than who the coach is. But Ferentz has been in the NFL and runs more of a pro style system than a lot of college coaches.. so it's not like we're hiring Urban Meyer.

Mecca 01-04-2009 06:35 PM
It's not like Iowa has ever had great talent or been overly talented compared to other teams in college football.

Deberg_1990 01-04-2009 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5356942)
I can't believe after people clamoring for this guy for about 3-4 years, many thinking it was a pipe dream, myself included... it's now a legitimate possibility the Chiefs will hire the guy once considered the best up and coming GM in the game, and most have soured on him because he might hire Kirk Ferentz as coach.

Id take those two in a heartbeat.

1. They are proven
2. They have ZERO connections to Carl and Marty.

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356995)
It was hard to tell considering the mess they were facing in Spurrier's South Carolina team.
Can't argue with that...but I really liked the offensive play-calling.

rad 01-04-2009 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5356981)
Ferentz was in the NFL before he was in college so it's not like he's a straight college guy...
Soooooo...he's a gay college guy?

Basileus777 01-04-2009 06:36 PM
I absolutely do not want McDaniels. He is way too young and inexperienced to be a head coach.

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5357013)
I absolutely do not want McDaniels. He is way too young and inexperienced to be a head coach.
I'm totally ok with young...we need a guy willing to put in 100 hour weeks...I'd love a young head coach with an experienced staff around him.

cdcox 01-04-2009 06:38 PM
Ferentz's name pops up every year in association with NFL coaching positions. He pulls his name out of the ring every time. I'd be surprised if he decides to leave Iowa.

Mr. Arrowhead 01-04-2009 06:38 PM
Dam everytime i get the feeling that there is no way Pioli is coming here, i read a article like this

BigRedChief 01-04-2009 06:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 5356987)
i welcome change

bring it
Piloi and Ferentz are 10X better than King Carl and Herm.

Deberg_1990 01-04-2009 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5357013)
I absolutely do not want McDaniels. He is way too young and inexperienced to be a head coach.
HOw much experience do u need? How much proven do u need?

Andy Reid never held a coodinator position of any sort when he was hired by the Eagles.

There is no magic template to use.

As long as we get a proven GM, ill trust whatever decision he makes.

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5357026)
Ferentz's name pops up every year in association with NFL coaching positions. He pulls his name out of the ring every time. I'd be surprised if he decides to leave Iowa.
They said during his bowl game he wanted to stay put until all of his kids were through school...and right now he has a 15 year old son still in high school.

But who knows...maybe if he's teamed with Pioli and enters a situation where success isn't an immediate must..he might make the jump.

I don't think Chiefs fans will be too down on him if we go 4-12 again next season...we can still blame it all on Herm and Carl for another year or two.

Crush 01-04-2009 06:40 PM
Print 'em

FloridaMan88 01-04-2009 06:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5356988)
Isn't that Bill Parcells daughter? Is Bill from Witchita?
Parcells played linebacker and was an assistant coach at Wichita State during the early '60s.

Basileus777 01-04-2009 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hootie (Post 5357024)
I'm totally ok with young...we need a guy willing to put in 100 hour weeks...I'd love a young head coach with an experienced staff around him.
Considering the shape this team is in, I don't think we should take a very risky gamble on someone like McDaniels. Belichick's coordinator's haven't fared well as head coaches either.

triple 01-04-2009 06:42 PM
i dont see what the college game does to totally predict NFL success.

recruiting is a huge aspect of the college game and isn't a factor in the NFL. And we have seen how well some NFL assistants fare.

the two will bully two different kinds of coaches. i doubt there are a lot of guys who would be huge successes in both.

obviously pioli thinks frerentz would be suited for the pro game. if he's our pick, then whatever. i will give him a shot

Hootie 01-04-2009 06:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5357046)
Considering the shape this team is in, I don't think we should take a very risky gamble on someone like McDaniels. Belichick's coordinator's haven't fared well as head coaches either.
they also weren't a package deal with Belichick's right hand man...

Tribal Warfare 01-04-2009 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Crush (Post 5357039)
Print 'em
don't tempt me

dirk digler 01-04-2009 06:45 PM
Sounds good to me

Mr. Flopnuts 01-04-2009 06:47 PM
I've found myself kind of on the fence over Pioli, but I didn't know that Parcells was his poppa in law. He's been with the Pats since the beginning, and having Parcells as a mentor can't be a bad thing. I'm to the point now where I really hope we get him.

FloridaMan88 01-04-2009 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 5357013)
I absolutely do not want McDaniels. He is way too young and inexperienced to be a head coach.
He has more playoff experience than the Chiefs franchise has had in a decade.

dirk digler 01-04-2009 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5356981)
Ferentz was in the NFL before he was in college so it's not like he's a straight college guy...
Yep

ArrowheadHawk 01-04-2009 06:50 PM
Works for me.

ILChief 01-04-2009 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5356751)
No.
I had the date wrong. it was 2 days ago, not 4 but WPI did say it:

KcMizzou 01-04-2009 06:50 PM
Well come on, then.

Hammock Parties 01-04-2009 06:52 PM
Two days does not equal four days.

ILChief 01-04-2009 06:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5357101)
Two days does not equal four days.
that's why I corrected myself.

Danman 01-04-2009 07:08 PM
Ferentz may be a ho hum pick but 2-3 yrs ago was viewed as a great up and coming coach along with Nick Saban. One reason he' not viewed that highly now is because he's turned down so many interviews to stay at Iowa and still may. He is better now than Herm Edwards, IMO.

petegz28 01-04-2009 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 5356942)
I can't believe after people clamoring for this guy for about 3-4 years, many thinking it was a pipe dream, myself included... it's now a legitimate possibility the Chiefs will hire the guy once considered the best up and coming GM in the game, and most have soured on him because he might hire Kirk Ferentz as coach.
Dude, that is the typical KC fan for you. Whine and cry for something and then bitch when they get it.

Skip Towne 01-04-2009 07:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5356988)
Isn't that Bill Parcells daughter? Is Bill from Witchita?
Parcells played football at Wichita State. Don't know where he's from.

StcChief 01-04-2009 07:16 PM
Pioli and Ferentz is ok with me. Still better than anything we have.

kcchiefsus 01-04-2009 07:19 PM
I just read on Ferentz' profile on the Iowa Hawkeyes website that he was the offensive line coach and assistant head coach with the Ravens/Browns. Not sure what the assistant head coach position included but perhaps he's already had a taste of the responsibilities of a head coach in the NFL. It also said he was the offensive line coach and defensive coordinator at the Worcester Academy back in the 70's (wherever the hell that is). Granted it's at a lower level but at least we know he should have a well rounded knowledge of both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball, something that I don't believe can be said for Herm Edwards.

I was originally pretty down on the idea of Ferentz as head coach but I think i'm warming up to him a little bit. He's not my favorite guy out there but I'm going to trust our new GM to make a good hire.

milkman 01-04-2009 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 5357157)
Dude, that is the typical KC fan for you. Whine and cry for something and then bitch when they get it.
I don't think there's been any inconsistency here.

There is a large group of people who have been clamoring for Pioli.

But there's a minority of people who would like to see Clark Hunt look in a different direction.

ChiefsCountry, Warpath and I, for instance, have talked about Eric DeCosta since Carl "resigned" (though I believe Warpath joined us a litte after).

I'm not going to whine and cry if it's Pioli.

He just isn't my first choice.

Deberg_1990 01-04-2009 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5357178)
I don't think there's been any inconsistency here.

There is a large group of people who have been clamoring for Pioli.

But there's a minority of people who would like to see Clark Hunt look in a different direction.

ChiefsCountry, Warpath and I, for instance, have talked about Eric DeCosta since Carl "resigned" (though I believe Warpath joined us a litte after).

I'm not going to whine and cry if it's Pioli.

He just isn't my first choice.
At least Clark appears to be looking in the right direction: Winning franchises.

DaWolf 01-04-2009 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356870)
Yes I realize this should probably go in the merged Pioli thread...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...dgments/1.html


Reading the latest tea leaves, that puts Pioli in the Chiefs' wheelhouse. League sources tell me Pioli seems excited about the opportunity in Kansas City, which he's believed to be interviewing for Monday. Pioli still has to do his due diligence and thoroughly research the Cheifs' roster, but he's said to be high on some of the building blocks that Kansas City has in place (like offensive left tackle Branden Albert, and cornerbacks Brandon Flowers and Brandon Carr).

The Chiefs are also in an enviable salary-cap situation, with at least $30 million of room to maneuver, and I don't think it hurts one bit that Pioli's wife was born and still has family in the Wichita, Kan., area. From a lifestyle perspective, Kansas City might be a better fit for Pioli than even Cleveland.
Interesting, that's more information on Pioli than we've heard in two weeks from the KC media. I can't believe our media guys can't do some basic research. All I've been hearing is that Pioli would have a hard time moving to the midwest because of his wife, and now we read that his wife actually has roots here? Go figure...

ArrowheadHawk 01-04-2009 07:24 PM
Maybee we will know something tommorrow.

BucEyedPea 01-04-2009 07:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StcChief (Post 5356958)
If I'm Pioli I would be excited too...... why not?
No! I don't want you to have him. I want him to stay in NE!

Bowser 01-04-2009 07:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea (Post 5357201)
No! I don't want you to have him. I want him to stay in NE!
We'll take him, but you can keep Cassell and Josh McDaniels, mmmmkay?

jAZ 01-04-2009 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356870)
...I don't think it hurts one bit that Pioli's wife was born and still has family in the Wichita, Kan., area. From a lifestyle perspective, Kansas City might be a better fit for Pioli than even Cleveland.
I thought his FIL was Bill Parcells, what does he have to do with Wichita?

OnTheWarpath15 01-04-2009 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5357178)
I don't think there's been any inconsistency here.

There is a large group of people who have been clamoring for Pioli.

But there's a minority of people who would like to see Clark Hunt look in a different direction.

ChiefsCountry, Warpath and I, for instance, have talked about Eric DeCosta since Carl "resigned" (though I believe Warpath joined us a litte after).

I'm not going to whine and cry if it's Pioli.

He just isn't my first choice.


This.

And FTR, I've DeCosta's been on my radar since he was named the youngest (at the time) Director of College Scouting in the NFL, back in 2003. I had a hunch even then that he'd eventually get his shot - Newsome and Co. do a phenomenal job up there, and NFL teams notice and steal them, like Savage and TJ McCreight.

ArrowheadHawk 01-04-2009 07:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5357252)
I thought his FIL was Bill Parcells, what does he have to do with Wichita?
Did you read the thread?

See post 43.

ChiefsCountry 01-04-2009 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5357178)
ChiefsCountry, Warpath and I, for instance, have talked about Eric DeCosta since Carl "resigned" (though I believe Warpath joined us a litte after).
Warpath was the one who got me hooked on DeCosta.

jAZ 01-04-2009 07:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 5356988)
Isn't that Bill Parcells daughter? Is Bill from Witchita?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsRacer (Post 5357001)
Yeah, he played linebacker at WSU back when they had a football program.
Nevermind! :thumb:

FRCDFED 01-04-2009 07:53 PM
Parcells' disciples have faired better as coaches than those of Belicheck. It would be nice if he and Parcells had a long chat over xmas dinner about coaching possibilities should Pioli take the GM position.

jAZ 01-04-2009 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowheadHawk (Post 5357274)
Did you read the thread?

See post 43.
Got to it, eventually. Sorry

ChiTown 01-04-2009 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skip Towne (Post 5357166)
Parcells played football at Wichita State. Don't know where he's from.
He was born and raised in Jersey.

Craqhead 01-04-2009 07:56 PM
Bill Parcells (born Duane Charles Parcells August 22, 1941 in Englewood, New Jersey)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Parcells

Sweet Daddy Hate 01-04-2009 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueballs (Post 5356934)
Mangino for HC
Nope.
Nada.
Nein.
Nyet.
Never.
and No ****ing Way.


The meal per-deim would kill the cap space.

dorseybowe 01-04-2009 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88 (Post 5356895)
Or Thigpen
He didn't name any players. Albert, Flowers, and Carr were in parentheses, indicating the names were added by the author of the article.

Edit: Thanks, KcMizzou

dorseybowe 01-04-2009 08:00 PM
Have the Chiefs even indicated any interest in Parcells?

KcMizzou 01-04-2009 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dorseybowe (Post 5357303)
Have the Chiefs even indicated any interest in Parcells?
He's not available.

petegz28 01-04-2009 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5357178)
I don't think there's been any inconsistency here.

There is a large group of people who have been clamoring for Pioli.

But there's a minority of people who would like to see Clark Hunt look in a different direction.

ChiefsCountry, Warpath and I, for instance, have talked about Eric DeCosta since Carl "resigned" (though I believe Warpath joined us a litte after).

I'm not going to whine and cry if it's Pioli.

He just isn't my first choice.
I was referring to the ones who want Pioli but ONLY without whoever this other guy is.

KcMizzou 01-04-2009 08:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dorseybowe (Post 5357298)
He didn't name any players. Albert, Flowers, and Carr were in quotes, indicating the names were added by the author of the article.
parentheses

dorseybowe 01-04-2009 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5357305)
He's not available.
Why all the Parcells speculation?

KChiefs1 01-04-2009 08:04 PM
I have it from insiders of the Iowa football program that Ferentz isn't going anywhere because he loves Iowa City & the fanatic following they have in addition I believe his kid is on the football team.

KcMizzou 01-04-2009 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dorseybowe (Post 5357309)
Why all the Parcells speculation?
From what I understand, He had a clause in his contract that he could void it if the team was sold. The latest rumor seems to be that he'll be back for 2009. (There's a thread about it floating around here somewhere.)

It was a small chance anyway, but when a name like that even has a chance to be available... it gets people talking.

carlos3652 01-04-2009 08:06 PM
Sorry If Repost... http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

Browns will interview Ravens executive Kokinis for GM position

Browns owner Randy Lerner will interview Baltimore director of pro personnel George Kokinis for the club's general manager position, a meeting that could clear the way for Cleveland to hire fired New York Jets coach Eric Mangini.

Skip Towne 01-04-2009 08:07 PM
After seeing the bright lights, I'll bet he is ecstatic at being near to Wichita.

carlos3652 01-04-2009 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5357315)
From what I understand, He had a clause in his contract that he could void it if the team was sold. The latest rumor seems to be that he'll be back for 2009. (There's a thread about it floating around here somewhere.)

It was a small chance anyway, but when a name like that even has a chance to be available... it gets people talking.
Dolphins owner: Parcells will stay http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

smittysbar 01-04-2009 08:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dorseybowe (Post 5357309)
Why all the Parcells speculation?
It came out today that he wouldn't exercise his right to walk

dorseybowe 01-04-2009 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 5357315)
From what I understand, He had a clause in his contract that he could void it if the team was sold. The latest rumor seems to be that he'll be back for 2009. (There's a thread about it floating around here somewhere.)

It was a small chance anyway, but when a name like that even has a chance to be available... it gets people talking.
Fair enough. Thanks, and thanks for catching my error.

BucEyedPea 01-04-2009 08:15 PM
I'd like to see McKay back in Tampa and then dump Gruden.

MIAdragon 01-04-2009 08:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5356887)
Not excited about Dorsey?
Have you watched him play?

BucEyedPea 01-04-2009 08:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MVChiefFan (Post 5351892)
ESPN is reporting that Mangini is indeed the top choice for HC of Browns which makes it likely that the pro personel guy from Baltimore is now leading candidate for GM job (sorry, can't remember his name).
What a mistake that is. You'd think a rat wouldn't get hired by anyone anywhere. He should be through in the NFL or demoted.

OnTheWarpath15 01-04-2009 08:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5357101)
Two days does not equal four days.
Interesting you'd call him out, when the article in question says that Pioli has an offer from the Chiefs, when they haven't even met yet...

Hammock Parties 01-04-2009 08:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5357346)
Interesting you'd call him out, when the article in question says that Pioli has an offer from the Chiefs, when they haven't even met yet...
Incorrect.


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