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Mosbonian 03-26-2025 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 18010709)
Wages have been pushed down by NAFTA and illegal immigration. This is not meant to be a political statement as it is documented and quantifiable. I was a free market guy as an Economics major, but it has decimated the middle class. That being said, I see many of today's youths using door dash regularly, having the newest and best Iphone/Galaxy etc. Wealth doesn't come easy, but I've seen a lot of young folks with average jobs who are in great shape in their 30's.
This is what makes me shake my head......DoorDash, Uber Eats, or just dropping by the local deli on their way home to pick up the same meal they could make at home for 1/3 the cost and even have leftovers for lunch the next day.

I went to the local T-Mobile store last week....there were 10 customers in there....8 were easily under the age of 30 and the other 2 were me and a guy much the same age as me. The word constantly repeated was Iphone....

I still have my 1st generation Flip phone from 4 years ago and it does me fine...

(Rant over)

Pepe Silvia 03-26-2025 01:42 PM
It would be nice to get paid to perform like Russell Wilson.

|Zach| 03-26-2025 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 18010728)
This is what makes me shake my head......DoorDash, Uber Eats, or just dropping by the local deli on their way home to pick up the same meal they could make at home for 1/3 the cost and even have leftovers for lunch the next day.

I went to the local T-Mobile store last week....there were 10 customers in there....8 were easily under the age of 30 and the other 2 were me and a guy much the same age as me. The word constantly repeated was Iphone....

I still have my 1st generation Flip phone from 4 years ago and it does me fine...

(Rant over)
I don't agree with the idea that an iphone is a luxury. If you want to be competitive in today's job market you need a smartphone. Not for everything...but to not be tapped in like that would be extremely limiting.

BWillie 03-26-2025 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 18010565)
My joy came from spending time with my kids when I got home from work...even when I worked OT.

I made my kids a priority.....because it also provided the greatest joy in my life.

It's that simple......I don't get why people see kids as a burden.
I would love to have kids if I could only see them every other weekend lol

scho63 03-26-2025 01:58 PM
The only time I worked 40 hrs a week is when I had a part time job.

Can remember last time did less than 50 hours in a week.

DaFace 03-26-2025 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 18010789)
I don't agree with the idea that an iphone is a luxury. If you want to be competitive in today's job market you need a smartphone. Not for everything...but to not be tapped in like that would be extremely limiting.
...even if we wish it weren't that way. I'd love to be able to actually disconnect at the end of the "work day."

Fish 03-26-2025 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 18010709)
Wages have been pushed down by NAFTA and illegal immigration. This is not meant to be a political statement as it is documented and quantifiable. I was a free market guy as an Economics major, but it has decimated the middle class. That being said, I see many of today's youths using door dash regularly, having the newest and best Iphone/Galaxy etc. Wealth doesn't come easy, but I've seen a lot of young folks with average jobs who are in great shape in their 30's.
It's much more complicated than blaming illegal immigration and iPhones. The decline began well before NAFTA. Around the late 70s is when compensation started to lag dramatically behind productivity.

https://i.imgur.com/1aUcz02.jpeg

Wages were actually increased at the implementation of NAFTA if you look at the data. But haven't actually changed much overall since 1980, except for those at the top. It's actually gotten worse for the lowest group.

https://i.imgur.com/7zfQGz7.jpeg

It also corresponds with the dramatic decline in union membership, which used to protect wages.

https://i.imgur.com/iVYO3aS.jpeg

Meanwhile, CEO pay is out of control. Employers are providing less health coverage despite price increases.

https://www.epi.org/publication/char...ge-stagnation/

mr. tegu 03-26-2025 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 18010649)
A few months ago I was chatting with a young (late 20s) woman and we were talking about careers. She mentioned that her boyfriend "doesn't want a job", and it frustrated her. She said that he only wanted to play video games all day and then make money doing DoorDash deliveries and stuff part-time. She could see that he wasn't going to thrive long-term doing that. (She had a career going.).

I kind of worry about young men in our society. Something is happening that's sapping the drive of a lot of them. I've noticed it in some of the younger men that I know, and it's a really bad mindset.

I sympathized with the woman, and I thought that she should probably find a guy with some long-term potential. I think people need to be more ruthless and businesslike when choosing a mate.

There’s plenty of talk and information about young men issues and decline in motivation, drive, and goals. So your observations are certainly not alone.

As for choosing a mate, it’s the most important financial decision anyone will ever make.

Bearcat 03-26-2025 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 18010789)
I don't agree with the idea that an iphone is a luxury. If you want to be competitive in today's job market you need a smartphone. Not for everything...but to not be tapped in like that would be extremely limiting.
I think you can buy a pretty basic smartphone for a few hundred bucks though.. or refurbished, or just don't run out to buy the latest one every year.

I don't think spending the extra money on a new iPhone is the main issue... like he said, it's spending the extra coin on a new iPhone and then using DoorDash and also going out to eat a lot instead of cooking at home, and having several streaming subs, and then complaining that a 4 bedroom house or luxury apartment costs too much for a 25yo.

/shouts at cloud

Bl00dyBizkitz 03-26-2025 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 18010789)
I don't agree with the idea that an iphone is a luxury. If you want to be competitive in today's job market you need a smartphone. Not for everything...but to not be tapped in like that would be extremely limiting.
As someone loosely in IT, you literally need a smartphone to work at any decent office job. They all require MFA for cybersecurity insurance and most IT firms exclusively use an MFA app on your smartphone.

They are absolutely required.

loochy 03-26-2025 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 18010862)
As someone loosely in IT, you literally need a smartphone to work at any decent office job. They all require MFA for cybersecurity insurance and most IT firms exclusively use an MFA app on your smartphone.

They are absolutely required.

If a job needs me to use a smartphone then they need to provide the smartphone (which mine has - I have an iPhone). They don't expect me to use my own laptop too do they?

BWillie 03-26-2025 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by loochy (Post 18010866)
If a job needs me to use a smartphone then they need to provide the smartphone (which mine has - I have an iPhone). They don't expect me to use my own laptop too do they?
I don't think I've ever met anyone under 60 years old who doesn't have a smart phone, at least in the past 5 years.

All phones are fkn smart phones now.

mr. tegu 03-26-2025 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 18010848)
I think you can buy a pretty basic smartphone for a few hundred bucks though.. or refurbished, or just don't run out to buy the latest one every year.

I don't think spending the extra money on a new iPhone is the main issue... like he said, it's spending the extra coin on a new iPhone and then using DoorDash and also going out to eat a lot instead of cooking at home, and having several streaming subs, and then complaining that a 4 bedroom house or luxury apartment costs too much for a 25yo.

/shouts at cloud

I think the Venn diagram of people who buy new iPhones every year and also utilize door dash for most of their meals is basically a circle. Basically people that make bad financial decisions do so in all aspects of their spending habits.

WilliamTheIrish 03-26-2025 02:46 PM
A whole “extra” two weeks off?

LMAO they should get that and more.

Mosbonian 03-26-2025 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 18010789)
I don't agree with the idea that an iphone is a luxury. If you want to be competitive in today's job market you need a smartphone. Not for everything...but to not be tapped in like that would be extremely limiting.
Having a smartphone is necessary i agree...

Having the latest version of IPhone or Galaxy isn't necessary to function in today's workplace.


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